Forum Title: LIZZIE BORDEN SOCIETY Topic Area: Lizzie Andrew Borden Topic Name: Frank Spiering: 'Lizzie'  

1. "Frank Spiering: 'Lizzie'"
Posted by Kat on Apr-28th-03 at 8:17 PM

Pg. 168 paperback:

"It was not a will made 'several years ago' that worried Lizzie. It was the one that her father and her uncle, John Vinnicum Morse, had been discussing on the evening before the murders, when she overheard their voices through her upstairs window. The transfer of Andrew's Swansea farm was one of the will's key elements. This was why her father had been so disturbed on that hot day less than a week prior to the murders when the treasurer of the Globe Yarn Mill had asked him about his farm and Andrew replied: 'I'm having a lot of trouble at home. I can't talk about Swansea until it's settled.'
Andrew had sought help from John Vinnicum Morse. Once before he had asked Morse for advice, before secretly purchasing a house from Abby's sister, Mrs. George Whitehead. Andrew had placed the title in Abby's name, an act which had enraged Emma and Lizzie when they later found out about it.
On the day prior to the murders Morse drove his niece, Mrs. Emery, to look over the Swansea farm (according to an interview Morse gave the Providence Journal). After that (Morse admitted to the Fall River Daily Herald), he and Andrew had 'talked about business.' John Morse had known about the will; he was Andrew's close confidant concerning financial matters."

--What is this stuff and what date newspaper is this Providence Journal?  Does anyone have any info?  Need help here.


2. "Re: Frank Spiering: 'Lizzie'"
Posted by Kat on Apr-29th-03 at 12:56 AM
In response to Message #1.

I have heard Mrs. Emery referred to on Forums once or twice as Morse's niece.  Is this where they got that idea?
Is that just a confusion of Morse visiting his young niece who was staying at the Emery's?
This story also implies that Mrs. Emery went with Morse to Swanzy Wednesday.  Eddy doesn't say Morse came with anyone.
Is this just plain wrong?


3. "Re: Frank Spiering: 'Lizzie'"
Posted by harry on Apr-29th-03 at 1:00 AM
In response to Message #2.

Kat, you may want to browse the Evening Standard articles.  There's more than one mention of the Emery's in there.


4. "Re: Frank Spiering: 'Lizzie'"
Posted by Kat on Apr-29th-03 at 1:33 AM
In response to Message #3.

Thanks Har!
You are reading my mind or I am reading yours.
I was looking through the artcles at the RESOURCE section of the LABVM/L, the Evening Standard articles, just before I came here.
Only read about 4 or so tho.
Will Do!
Thanks again.


5. "Re: Frank Spiering: 'Lizzie'"
Posted by Kat on Apr-30th-03 at 1:22 AM
In response to Message #4.

Didn't get too far re: Emery's in the Standard articles.
However in Casebook (Williams) p. 32 found a couple of things...

Fall River Daily Herald
August 5, 1892
Thursday's Affray
[subheading] Mr. Morse Talks.

"...'She welcomed me and I went in.  Andrew was then reclining on the sofa in about the position he was found murdered.' "

--[In Morse's testimony he said Andrew was "laying on the lounge" when he came.  Prelim. 237]]
This relates to another thread as to Andrew's *usual* position on the couch...
.................
Anyway...
..As to where Spiering got his *Cousin Emery* story:

"...'I stopped there at the house of my cousin, David Emery, No. 4;  I went there to see my nephew and niece, the former of whom I found away.' "

How do we believe one and not the other?
Andrew therefore was "laying on the lounge" in sworn testimony of Morse and maybe artistic license had Andrew in the similiar position as to when he was found?
But otherwise we don't have proof of this Emery family being related to Morse?



(Message last edited Apr-30th-03  1:24 AM.)


6. "Re: Frank Spiering: 'Lizzie'"
Posted by rays on May-1st-03 at 3:45 PM
In response to Message #5.

IF LAB called Uncle John to help her out, and they cooked up a cover story, then all their testimony after, say 2pm that day, is suspect.
AR Brown's solution works because it accounts for these discrepancies.
1) Why was 'nemesis' never investigated by the police, or why did they fail when someone a century later BELIEVES they solved it?
2) Why LAB and JVM covered up the true facts. Either ashamed of a greater scandal (was William S Borden the only "cousin"?), or a putative heir who could put in a claim "Not guilty by reason of insanity". Also, if JVM arranged the meeting, he could be accused of being an accessory. [I don't buy the hired hit theory.]

(Message last edited May-1st-03  3:46 PM.)