Forum Title: LIZZIE BORDEN SOCIETY Topic Area: Lizzie Andrew Borden Topic Name: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge  

1. "Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Kat on Feb-23rd-04 at 1:16 PM

I was looking at the Borden Genealogy last night trying to make clear in my mind the Hart connection and the Coolidge connection.

What I found peripherally, is interesting, and I did find a "HART" after all, as well.

We got to "COOLIDGE" by finding SUSANNAH BORDEN who married CHARLES COOLIDGE.

She was daughter of JOSEPH BORDEN688, who was son of JOSEPH674, who was son of WILLIAM Borden448, who was son of JOSEPH Borden97 who was brother to the big RICHARD95, who is Andrew's forefather.

What I found around SUSANNAH BORDEN (Coolidge) is that she is sister to CHARLES BORDEN713, who married PHEBE HATHAWAY and they were parents of WILLIAM S. BORDEN.  When PHEBE died, Charles married PEACE BASSETT, widow of SYLVESTER BASSET, who were parents of WILLIAM L. BASSETT.  WILLIAM L. BASSETT became the stepson of CHARLES BORDEN, and WILLIAM S. BORDEN became stepson to PEACE.
Together, CHARLES and PEACE had JOSEPH H. BORDEN. 
WILLIAM S. BORDEN was stepbrother to William L. BASSETT.

According to Rebello, pgs. 373-379, PEACE BASSETT was the daughter of MARY CATHERINE (HART) BORDEN.
I can't find MARY CATHERINE- but it looks like she was a HART, before marriage, and we had been looking for a HART.

So surrounding SUSANNAH there is a HART (her brother CHARLES 2nd wife was the daughter of a female HART), and her nephew was WILLIAM S. BORDEN.

Ta-Da!


2. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Kat on Feb-23rd-04 at 1:22 PM
In response to Message #1.

Here is my original tree for COOLIDGE

Kat
7713 posts Dec-3rd-03  9:05 PM
   

40. "Re: 92 Second Street Is For Sale"
In response to message #34

     
Hello, Roger and welcome!  We love our Fall River contacts.  Thanks for joining in.

I have a booklet put out by the FR Historical Society which gives much, but not all, on the Genealogy of our Borden family.
I went looking for "Hart", "Coolidge", and "Manchester".
I found no HART but that doersn't mean anything other than you will need a more complete genealogy.

To get to Susannah Borden(714), who married Charles Coolidge, May, 1834, we first go to:
Richard Borden (1)
son John (5)

This is where our Bordens break away from your Borden who married a Coolidge.

John had sons Richard(95) & Joseph (97)

Richard went on to sire our Borden side and brother Joseph went on to sire the other side.  This is a huge gap.  Some authors don't even consider successive generations under Joseph as kin- tho they are...but very removed.

Heading toward Coolidge we have:
Joseph (97)
son William (448)
son Joseph (674)
son Joseph (688)
DAUGHTER- Susannah (714) born May 17, 1814.  Married Charles Coolidge, 1834.

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To get to Almira Manchester who married into Borden, we first go back to the brother Richard (95) (brother of Joseph)
son Thomas (103)
son Richard (114)

At this point our Borden and your Bordens split.
Richard (114) has Thomas (119) and Richard (120)
Manchester marries into Thomas side, Andrew is from Richard side.

Thomas (119)
son Col. Richard(133) [b. 1795]
BROTHER of Col. Richard is John (135)
John married an "Almira Manchester", June, 1826.  [He is considered 7th generation, whereas Andrew is considered 8th generation.]
......

Where Richard (114) splits, he has sons Thomas (119) and Richard(120).

Richard (120)
son Abraham Borden(208)
son Andrew Borden (218)
DAUGHTER Lizzie Borden(224), Emma Borden(222), Alice Borden(223)9th generation.

...........

Overview:

                                                            Richard1
                                                              John 5
                                      Richard95                         Joseph97
                                      Thomas103                        William448
                                      Richard114                         Joseph674
                                       Thomas119                        Joseph688
                                        John135 m. Almira             Susannah714 m.
                                                Manchester                      Charles Coolidge      

THE GENEALOGY OF THE BORDEN FAMILY
LIVING IN
FALL RIVER AND VICINITY, 1876
Atlantic Publishing, NY, 1877           


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3. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Raymond on Feb-23rd-04 at 6:36 PM
In response to Message #1.

Given its importance to AR Brown's book, what date did Phebe die?
AR Brown, bless his soul, admitted he had no information on Charles' remarriage. A mother dying in or after childbirth was all too common.
See "puerpural fever". Oliver Holmes, a teacher of physiology, was among the first to recommend washing hands of the delivering doctors.
Arthur Conan Doyle named his fictional hero after "Holmes".


4. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Kat on Feb-24th-04 at 2:40 AM
In response to Message #3.

Rebello, 374:
"DIED:  In this city, May 17, Mrs. Phebe, wife of Charles Borden, in her 43rd year."...- Fall River News, May 19, 1859."

William S. Borden was born in Fall River April 20, 1854.

There is a marriage record for "William L. Borden" on file at the City Clerk's Office in Taunton, aged 20, and it's explained that no mother was listed because she had died 15 years earlier.

It says he was the last child born to them.  Well, it says the last 'son', to be specific, but their other children are already accounted for earlier in the bio.

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5. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Raymond on Feb-24th-04 at 5:21 PM
In response to Message #4.

Thank you. But what year did Charles marry Peace? Dead at 43 = after child bearing age? What was cause of death?

Some author said Phebe (Phoebe?) died in an asylum. Did they hospitalize for TB in those days? The most common form of early death from Civil War era to WW II (so I read).


6. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Kat on Feb-24th-04 at 6:47 PM
In response to Message #4.

Did I transcribe the William Borden Rebello info before?
Can you do a Search?

I just searched.
http://www.arborwood.com/awforums/show-topic-1.php?start=1&fid=27&taid=1&topid=1904
Post 5.
BUT I didn't include the info you asked for there.

Rebello, 374:
" 'DIED: In this city,- May 17, Mrs. Phebe, wife of Charles Borden, in her 43rd year. Mrs. Borden was a most valuable and exemplary member of the Second Baptist Church in this city, and was universally beloved for her humble, earnest, fervent piety. Her funeral will take place this afternoon, at her residence on Ninth Street at 1 o'clock, and at the Baptist Temple, at 2 o'clock. A sermon will be preached by the pastor, Rev. C. A. Snow.' " (The Fall River News, May 19, 1859: 3.)


Rebello, 377:
"Charles Lott Church Borden and Peace (Borden) Bassett Borden"

"Profile: Peace (Borden) Bassett Borden was born in Westport, Massachusetts, July (August ?) 30, 1819. She was the daughter of Stephen Borden and Mary Catherine (Hart) Borden. Peace was first married to Sylvester L. Bassett, a brakeman for the Fall River Railroad. Mr. Bassett died on January 1, 1855, at the age of thirty-eight.

...Peace (Borden) Bassett was forty years old when she married Deacon Charles L. C. Borden, age forty-seven, in Fall River, October 12, 1859. The marriage took place five months after the death of Mr. Borden's first wife, Phebe. This marriage produced one son, Joseph H. Borden, born in Fall River, December 27, 1860.
...

Deacon Charles A. Borden died in Fall River, August 5, 1883, at the age of seventy-one. Burial took place at Oak Grove Cemetery. He was survived by one sister, his widow Peace Borden, and four children: Amanda (Borden) Taylor, Eliza Ann Borden, William S. Borden (from his first marriage) and Joseph H. Borden (from his second marriage)
.... A tribute and obituary provides insight into Mr. Borden's life while in Fall River."

" ' ... Though early and constantly under religious influences, he dates his conversion from July 4, 1833, when, as we often heard him relate, he retired on that anniversary of our country's birthday to the woods, and spent the whole day in prayer on his knees. To him it was ever afterwards, on its annual recurrence, a day of freedom in a double sense. He was baptized July 4th, 1833 by the late Rev. Asa Bronson, who had then just commenced his labors here as pastor of the First Baptist Church, and which Deacon Borden immediately united. ...To his widow who was so truly a helpmate to him in life, and who with his children, ministered to him so lovingly in sickness, we extend our warmest sympathies. /signed/ R.' " (Fall River Evening News, August 6, 1883: 2.)



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7. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Raymond on Feb-25th-04 at 6:10 PM
In response to Message #6.

No cause of death listed. Married after five months? THAT would shock the mores of those times! Weren't you supposed to be in mourning for a year? Sounds suspicious to me?


8. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Kat on Feb-25th-04 at 11:04 PM
In response to Message #7.

Andrew's sister married Hiram Harrington in January 1854, 3 1/2 months after her mother died.
Andrew's father, Abraham, married BeBe Wilmarth, in November, 1854, while his first wife died in October, 1853.
Andrew married Abby only 6 weeks after Lincoln was assassinated.


9. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Raymond on Feb-26th-04 at 4:14 PM
In response to Message #8.

Abraham correctly observed the year of mourning after his wife's death.
BTW, if a widow married a month after her husband's death, what would you think?


10. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Kat on Feb-26th-04 at 5:00 PM
In response to Message #9.

Abraham waiting the exact proscribed year makes me think he was only doing what society expected- and that looks hypocritcal to me.
I understand he did the *proper* thing, but it still is hypocritical, no matter what century.


11. "Re: Manchester- Hart- Coolidge"
Posted by Raymond on Feb-27th-04 at 3:39 PM
In response to Message #10.

THAT is not hypocritical. No dictionary handy, but "hypocrisy" is saying one thing, then doing another. Do you agree?