Forum Title: LIZZIE BORDEN SOCIETY Topic Area: Second Street Second-Hand Shop Topic Name: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?  

1. "a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by diana on Feb-4th-04 at 6:23 PM

There's an 1882 bank-note for sale on e-bay.  The seller says the cashier of the issuing bank was E.W. Borden who was "known to be the step-brother of Lizzy Borden". For a mere $1475.00 -- you can "buy it now".
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2223058653&category=3419

Who knows ... maybe Billy wasn't the only son with a grudge?


2. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by harry on Feb-4th-04 at 7:12 PM
In response to Message #1.

Damn Andy, no more Viagra for you!  Can't be leaving these illegitimate kids all over the place.

Hang onto your money folks.

On the serious side, according to the trial, (Charles Gardner's testimony, page 1424) the Massaoit Bank was located at the corner of Bedford and Second Sts. Jennings in reading Lizzie's assets (Trial, page 1529+) stated that Lizzie had $2,000 in this bank.

I checked volumes 1 & 2 of Victorian Vistas and Rebello and no E. W. Borden is listed. 


3. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by Kat on Feb-4th-04 at 8:38 PM
In response to Message #1.

Thanks for the enigma Diana!
Note the intials spell " EEWWW"!

Actually, Oliver Gray, father of Abby and Priscilla and Sarah Whitehead, married as a second wife a woman, Jane Eldredge D. (Baker), a widow who had a son Henry who died in 1882, and a daughter Lucy Cahoon, of which nothing is known.

Jane was the mother of Sarah with Oliver as father.

That would make Lizzie what to Henry?

(Message last edited Feb-4th-04  8:45 PM.)


4. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by Kat on Feb-4th-04 at 8:53 PM
In response to Message #3.

Step-Uncle?

Also, Mr. Fish, who married Priscilla, had a child or children from a previous union.
I know they were at the funeral.
That would be Lizzie's step-mother's step nephew?


5. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by lydiapinkham on Feb-4th-04 at 11:24 PM
In response to Message #4.

But the E. W. Borden is still bogus, right?  (I love EEEWWWW )
Who are these scamp scamsters?  All they need is an old Massasoit banknote and a pharmacist's scrawl!  I found an old dented baby cup stamped Taunton, Mass.  I thought about putting it on Ebay as the cup Lizzie used as target practice on Daddy when in her infancy.

--Lyddie


6. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by Kat on Feb-5th-04 at 1:18 AM
In response to Message #5.

Rebello, 103, The Fish family composed of:
"Mr. J. L. Fish and wife, the latter a sister of Mrs. Abby Borden; Mr. Fish's son and his wife, of Hartford, Connecticut;..."

I don't know the younger Fish's name, but of course he's no Borden.
At least I found him.
A stroll thru the Genealogy of Borden would be in order to rule out an E.W., but even that record is not complete.


7. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by william on Feb-5th-04 at 11:52 AM
In response to Message #5.

On June 19, 1911, Edward Borden was a member of the bodyguard to the queen in the parade celebrating the Cotton Centennial of Fall River.
(Victorian Vistas 1901-1911, page 794).


8. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by diana on Feb-6th-04 at 6:50 PM
In response to Message #7.

In the 1892 Fall River Directory, Eric W. Borden is listed as cashier at the Massasoit National Bank (Bedford and 2nd)-- residing at 111 Rock.

http://ccbit.cs.umass.edu/lizzie/images/documents/L0028F01.html

This is the bank where Lizzie had $2,000 on deposit -- but that's the only link I see between her and E.W. Borden. 


9. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by Kat on Feb-6th-04 at 11:28 PM
In response to Message #8.

Thanks.  Now i have a name I will look him up.


10. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by lydiapinkham on Feb-6th-04 at 11:41 PM
In response to Message #8.


Great research, William and Diana!  So the note could be the real thing?  Maybe Kat can track down the connection (or lack thereof).  You guys are tireless and amazing.

--Lyddie


11. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by Kat on Feb-7th-04 at 12:04 AM
In response to Message #9.

Eric W. Borden is pretty distant.

                                                  Richard1
                                                     John5
                                                         I
                               Richard95                       Joseph97
                               Thomas103                     William448
                               Richard114                     George682
                               Richard120                     Thomas893
                               Abraham208                    Leander930
                                Andrew218                       Eric W. Borden963


Richard95 and Joseph97 are brothers.
Then the tree splits.

The Genealogy of the Borden Family Living in Fall River and Vicinity, 1876 From Fall River and its Industries:  Atlantic Publishing and Engraving Co., New York;  Benjamin Earl & Son, Fall River, Mass., 1877.


12. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by Kat on Feb-7th-04 at 12:14 AM
In response to Message #11.

Anyone is welcome to e-mail the seller with info.  I don't know the protocol involved- whether the seller should remain blissfully unaware?
(I won't be notifying him.)


13. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by diana on Feb-7th-04 at 3:25 AM
In response to Message #12.

Thanks Kat.  So Eric W. and Andrew are of the same generation but very distant cousins? Have I got that right?

BTW I won't be enlightening the seller either.  He says twice on his listing that the cashier who signed the banknote is Lizzie's brother -- and once that he is Lizzie's step-brother.  But the onus is on the buyer to beware on ebay.

The bid is over $200 now.  However, judging by their user names, a few of the bidders appear to be currency buffs -- so they're probably lured by the rarity of the note and not by the implied connection to Lizzie.  

Interestingly enough, the 'Borden' part of the signature on the note has a familiar slant -- very similar to some examples of Lizzie's that we've seen.


14. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by Kat on Feb-7th-04 at 2:25 PM
In response to Message #13.

I'm just an illustrator.  Here are comparisons.

(Message last edited Feb-7th-04  2:26 PM.)


15. "Re: a long-lost relative of Lizzie's?"
Posted by diana on Feb-7th-04 at 4:53 PM
In response to Message #14.

Nice job, Kat.  Thanks for those.