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1. "Msc. Murders"
Posted by adminlizzieborden on Jan-8th-02 at 10:00 PM

By kat on Saturday, 12/08/2001 - 08:01 am [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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The past week has seen some Crime Solving!

Green River Killer Suspect Arrested.

Now, Patricia Cornwell "is certain she has found the true culprit: Walter Sickert (as Jack the Ripper), an impressionist painter who walked the same east London streets...and 20 years later produced a gruesome series of paintings of murdered prostitutes." (ABC NEWS).

The Star Magazine this week says Jon Benet Ramsey's death is "Solved" by a special process that proves there was urine in her bed-sheets, inferring Patsey lost it over constant bed-wetting of the child, killed her, and covered up the crime. They say the proof is in the sheets because the parents swore Jon Benet had NOT wet the sheets Christmas night--therefore they LIED.

Let's see--what other famous cases can be solved this week?

 
By kat on Saturday, 12/08/2001 - 08:04 am [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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If anyone is interested, the web-address is still "fresh".
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/pt_ripper_011206.html

 
By kat on Saturday, 12/08/2001 - 08:19 am [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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That didn't work. Trytryagain. If this doesn't work I have the printed synopsis of the Cornwell/Ripper story and if there's interest I'll post it.
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/DailyNews/pt_ripper_011206.html

 
By raystephanson on Saturday, 12/08/2001 - 06:33 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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If you check "amazon.com" you may find that the charge against Walter Sickert has been made in the past. More believable than a "new theory".

Patricia Corwell sounds like an interesting writer, altho her other works are fiction (like Victoria Lincoln?). I'll wait until it shows up in my public library. I'm interested in why it was never followed up before. Rich and influential family? Or what?

The ABC PrimeTime special noted "$4 million" spent. Her picture collection may increase in value if her story is accepted. So WHO is Walter Sickart anyway?

 
By kat on Saturday, 12/08/2001 - 10:33 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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First of all, our very own Frank Spiering wrote on Jack the Ripper, in his 1978 book, Prince Jack.
This has a bearing on Walter Sickert because the theory involves Prince Albert Victor, Duke of Clarence, government conspiracy in a cover-up, and The Royal physician Sir William Gull.

 
By kat on Saturday, 12/08/2001 - 10:54 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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From:
The Jackthe Ripper A to Z, 1991, Paul Begg, Martin Fido and Keith Skinner. Pages 412-413.

"Sickert, Walter Richard (1860-1942)
Recently alleged suspect. Major British painter, of Danish extraction. RA, 1934; resigned, 1935. Founder member of informal New English Art Club; impressionist, responsible for schism which led the Newlyn Group of exterior painters to withdraw. Sickert and his followers in the 'Camden School' concentrated on depressed urban interiors which (with vaguely Degas-like paintings of music-halls) became Sickert's best known and most influential work.

According to friends and associates, Sickert was interested in several murders and criminal cases, and his not otherwise exceptional interest in the Ripper case may have gained a frisson from his having allegedly occupied a room once used by the Ripper himself. (See SICKERT'S veterinary suspect).

Joseph Gorman Sickert (P.411-claims to be Walter's illegitimate son) has alleged that Walter knew of a Mosonic conspiracy to murder prostitutes who were blackmailing the Government, and Stephen Knight came to the conclusion that Sickert was himself one of the murderers(Jack the Ripper the Final Solution)."

-There's more, but you get the gist: & sounds familiar? Illegitimate son, Government cover-up," FINAL SOLUTION", and Walter was even born in that Magic year--1860 !!!
-BTW: This is not necessarily the opinion of this transcriber, OR PATRICIA CORNWELL! Just background from 1960's thru 1991.

 
By raystephanson on Sunday, 12/09/2001 - 05:03 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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Thanks "kat", that's a good quote.
When do you ever get time to eat and sleep?

 
By kat on Sunday, 12/09/2001 - 09:50 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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You made me chuckle, Ray...
Actually I have a pretty good memory as to where I read something and can find it fast.
I also eat 5 x a day on schedule, and sleep 81/2 to 9 hours a DAY.

 
By raystephanson on Monday, 12/10/2001 - 03:50 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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I looked her up in the library; they have about ten of her books. She was a former crime reporter from Charlotte NC. She writes novels about a Medical Examiner. This must be her first "true crime" book.

The library has Stephen Knight's "Jack the Ripper: the Final Solution" which may have renewed interest in this old case (crime files opened). I would read this first.

You can also look up Ann Rule's books, which are all true crime. She was a policewoman in the 50s-60s; she once worked with Ted Bundy!

 
By kat on Monday, 12/10/2001 - 10:44 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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I've read most of Cornwell, but stopped when my mother died and she got "gruesome". I think I could now go back and read the last 2 or so I skipped. Cornwell also worked as a computer anaylist for the Chief Medical Examiner's office in VA.(I just looked it up...)
I have or have read about 15 books on Jack-the-R., the most recent is the Letters From Hell, Evans & Skinner which compares the letters written during that time. I'm allergic to the ink in that book, so someone will have to tell me the synopsis.
I've read All Ann Rule, and am on the waiting list at my library for her newest: Every Breath You Take. ("Augusta" wrote to her and she WROTE back!)
I live in Central Florida and we "baked Bundy!"
You've hit on all my favorites!
What are yours?
BTW: We own "Best Evidence" about the Kennedy assassination, but I never read it--bought it for the autopsy photo's...now may read it 'cause of what you said. (Though have read about 4 books on the subject, including the book out on the results of the Warren Commission...)

 
By raystephanson on Wednesday, 12/12/2001 - 07:52 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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Not to get off-topic, but "High Treason" by Robert Groden & (?) has a lot of pictures, some of them do not show what the author says (probable printing?). Groden was an acoustic expert hired by Congressional Select Committe that reinvestigated JFK Assassination circa 1977. A lot of books were published in the following years, based on the evidence uncovered then.

The TV show "Unexplained Mysteries" in late November had some authors on (like Jim Marrs).
They also had a show on "Dec 7 1941" last week. Did anyone read Robt. Stinett's book?

 
By kat on Thursday, 12/13/2001 - 01:02 am [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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Go off-topic anytime you want, Ray.
What is the book you refer to?

 
By raystephanson on Friday, 12/14/2001 - 06:39 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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Robert Stinett's "Day of Deceit" was published in early 2000 (?). He was in WW2 Navy, then Oakland Tribune until he retired in 1986.

His research into Pearl Harbor uncovered some long hidden documents that say "it was planned by the US Govt". They knew how to punch Japan's buttons to get them to attack (reading their mail). This book should be read by anyone interested in "hidden history".

 
By kat on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 02:25 am [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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"Hidden History" is the REAL history, as far as I'm concerned...but if I read that kind of history, I'm afraid I'd want to "check out" of this planet, and this solar system!

 
By raystephanson on Saturday, 12/15/2001 - 06:37 pm [Edit] [Reply] [Msg Link]  
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Robt. Stinett's book is about 300 pages, and very readable. Aside from the long-censored document, most of it was known or suspected just after WW2.

Why was the North Pacific closed off to shipping? THAT gave the Japanese a covered path to Hawaii.
Also, they KNEW what the American actions (cutting off oil, advising the Dutch and British to not sell supplies, etc.)
Be Prepared?

 


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