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Topic Name: Lizzie's Hat

1. "Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by Susan on Apr-30th-02 at 3:28 AM

I believe it was in Victoria Lincoln's book A Private Disgrace that I had learned of Lizzie coming downstairs wearing a hat as if ready to go out.  Why was Bridget never questioned about this?  It would back up Lizzie's story about going to the barn to check on those lead sinkers and then going downstreet to the shops to pick up some fishing lines. 

Hyman Lubinsky saw Lizzie coming back from the barn, but, without a hat on.  Alice Russell carries the hat off the dining room table with the handkercheifs upstairs.  She was never questioned about this as far as I can see?  Lizzie said she came in from the barn and laid the hat on the table.

Was it a dress-up for downstreet hat actually or just a sunhat?  No one ever seemed to question the whole hat thing much, what gives?  And where were Lizzie's gloves?  No self-respecting lady of the period would leave the house without.  Just one of my many curiosities about the case! 


2. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by rays on Apr-30th-02 at 12:30 PM
In response to Message #1.

I think a lady would not don a hat and gloves to just go into the back yard (and give privacy to her Dad and his visitor).
Maybe Bridget just misremembered this event?


3. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by Kat on Apr-30th-02 at 2:07 PM
In response to Message #1.

Is it implied in Lincoln that Lizzie was dressed to go out, but decided to check the barn before she left, to see if she needed to buy sinkers?  I really don't remember...

Why would she dress up, including hat and gloves and then go out to the hot, dusty barn, before going shopping?  I'm assuming in the Bengaline silk?

The hat on the dining table is an intruiging question, as is "what happened to the little ironing board?" which was also on the table.  No one remembers putting either away, nor even of seeing them there after Lizzie cried for help!


4. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by nanajan on Apr-30th-02 at 8:04 PM
In response to Message #3.

Lincoln theorized that Lizzie changed for the street, including hat, to go out and establish an alibi after murdering Abby.  But her father came home unaccustomedly early before she had a chance to leave the house.


5. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by Susan on Apr-30th-02 at 9:51 PM
In response to Message #4.

Yet, apparently Lizzie wore or took her hat with her(according to her testimony, she came into the dining room and laid her hat on the table and then found Andrew).  As I had posted earlier, I wonder if she was dressed to go shopping, where were her gloves?  Or perhaps they got blood on them and needed to be destroyed?  If she was dressed to go out, I believe Bridget would have noticed and she was never questioned on that point. 

She did go out to the barn for some reason, dressed apparently to go out, and was seen coming back to the house.  I wonder what the reason was?

And as for the ironing board, i don't recall reading about anyone putting it away, I could be mistaken, but, perhaps when they brought the Borden's bodies into the dining room to lay them out on the table, it was just put to the side?


6. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by bobcook848 on Apr-30th-02 at 10:14 PM
In response to Message #5.

I think the ironing board was put on top of the china cupboard where it was most likely stored.  That's where it is today at the B & B.

I am not convinced she even HAD a hat on...I think Lizzie only "thought" she had one but might have actually had the hat on the previous day.  I truly believe she was in shock after "discovering" her Father whacked to death.

Like the "laughter on the stairs" I think both she and Bridget were "shell shocked" and mixed up their "hats and laughter".

BC


7. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by Susan on May-1st-02 at 3:14 AM
In response to Message #6.

But, yet, I do recall in a number of books(2 or 3) that state that Alice Russel brought up Lizzie's hat along with the handkerchiefs.  The ones that weren't ironed went on a towel rack or some such thing in Emma's room.  See, nobody had really checked into the whole hat thing!


8. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by harry on May-1st-02 at 1:42 PM
In response to Message #7.

I took a look at Lincoln and have extracted the quotes below. All page numbers are from the paperback edition. I'll now tackle the other books to see what I can find.

Andrew comes home. Page 92

"Lizzie came down the front stairs and joined him. She wore her hat and she was dressed for the street; though somewhat oddly on such an excessively hot day."

Page 98:

"Lizzie was on her way downstairs when Andrew came in. She followed him into the dining-room, where he had gone to be out of the way of the window-washing. She spoke to him, hesitated. She took off her hat and laid it on the dining-room table."

Page 189:

"She (Lizzie) then went directly to the loft. With striking formality, she put on a hat for her two or three steps from kitchen to stable door."

Lizzie returning from the barn.  Page 193:

"She (Lizzie) went through the kitchen to the dining room, where she took off her hat and laid it on the table."

Alice Russell cleans up. Page 129:

"She brought up Lizzie's hat, and some handkerchiefs that had been lying beside the ironing board on the dining-room table. There were five or six of these, two or three only sprinkled and not yet pressed. Lizzie told her to hang them on the rack in Emma's room."
 

(Message last edited May-1st-02  2:42 PM.)


9. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by harry on May-1st-02 at 2:23 PM
In response to Message #8.

More about the hat.

Lizzie's inquest statement:

"Q. When you came down from the barn, what did you do then?
A. Came into the kitchen.
Q What did you do then?
A. I went into the dining room and laid down my hat."

From Alice Russell's testimony at the trial (page 399):

"Q.  Did you see any handkerchiefs about there?
A.  I found some handkerchiefs in the dining room.
Q.  Had they been ironed?
A.  Some of them.
Q.  And some, I infer, had not been, from your answer?
A.  Yes, sir.
Q.  What was the condition of those that had not been ironed?
A.  They were sprinkled to iron.
Q.  About how many were there altogether?
A.  I don't know positively.
Q.  I am not very particular---about how many?
A.  After hearing about handkerchiefs I tried to remember, and as nearly as I
could judge there were four or five ironed and two or three sprinkled to be ironed.
Q.  There were some of both?
A.  Yes, sir.
Q.  Do you remember what became of them?
A.  I took them upstairs and as I went in Miss Lizzie said, "Oh, yes, those are what I was ironing."
Q.  What was done with them?
A.  I said, "What shall I do with them, and she said, "Lay them in this drawer." and I took those that were sprinkled and lay them over Miss Lizzie's towel rack to dry."

No mention of the hat at the trial, but then again she wasn't asked.

I could find no other mention of Alice and the hat in Kent, DeMille, Porter, Sullivan, Brown, Radin, Spiering, Lundy, Hixson or Pearson.

I am inclined to believe if Lizzie did put down the hat in the dining room along side of where she was doing the handkerchiefs, Alice would have brought it upstairs. It sounds the logical thing to do since she was straightening up the dining room.

I am also inclined to think both sides wanted to avoid the issue. The prosecution because the hat would support Lizzie's story. The defense because Lubinsky testified the woman in the yard had no hat on.


(Message last edited May-1st-02  2:29 PM.)


10. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by Carol on May-1st-02 at 4:04 PM
In response to Message #9.

Ladies wore hats more often and for different reasons than they do today.  I am curious about whether there was some sort of cultural habit during the Borden's era regarding where ladies hats were found in the house, that is ladies who were of the Borden class.  Were they generally kept in the ladies bedrooms/personal closets when not on their heads, or were they kept on hooks perhaps in hall closets or elsewhere in other parts of the house.  If Lizzie's hat on this particular day was a "sun-type yard or garden hat" perhaps it was of a type to be kept on a hook in the hall somewhere for easy access.  Whereas a more formal hat for street wear would maybe have been kept in a hat box somewhere. Hat boxes were large and took up room.  I am not aware that the police made mention of searching hat boxes in the Borden house. Comments? 


11. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by Kat on May-1st-02 at 5:41 PM
In response to Message #10.

COMMENTS:

2 Excellent Posts, Harry!

Carol, you're right, now that it's thought of...no hat boxes were mentioned! 
They'd probably be stored in the biggest closet, which would be the locked clothes closet on the landing.  I believe a "shelf" was mentioned during questioning, as holding the "nails" for the dresses...

But Abby probably kept hers in her dressing room...


12. "Re: Lizzie's Hat"
Posted by Susan on May-1st-02 at 10:42 PM
In response to Message #11.

Yes, I agree, very good point, Carol!  No mention was made of checking into hatboxes.  Ah, the hat plot thickens....


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