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Topic Name: Open or Closed?

1. "Open or Closed?"
Posted by augusta on Mar-30th-02 at 1:49 AM

We've talked about this before in bits and pieces but haven't had a serious discussion about it so far, and it's bugging me.

Is the Borden case "open" or is it "closed"?

It's my understanding that there is NO statute of limitations on murder.  Someone, Stef maybe, suggested that maybe that varies state by state.  I don't think so, but does anyone know?

If the case is open, how can Lizzie's ancestors or the town stop anyone from doing certain investigations, such as exhuming the grave of Andrew like Professor Starrs was all set to a few years ago? 

I only read that the case is "unsolved".  I have never read if it's officially open or closed and would be most interested to know.  We may have more leverage than we think.


2. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by Carol on Mar-30th-02 at 4:07 PM
In response to Message #1.

Agusta:  This is a very interesting legal question.  The case is still open for me because no one was convicted of the crimes. But I wonder if it would be legally open...could anyone at this point in time bring a case against an already dead but newly "accused party." All the possible suspects are dead now.  If the case was re-opened legally would it be possible or easier for the public to obtain the undisclosed Robinson files that are now locked up and carefully watched over by Mr. McCormick? 


3. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by bobcook848 on Mar-30th-02 at 4:20 PM
In response to Message #2.

Not to sound like the "Mr. Know-it All" but referring to my brother the Detective who has told me recently, "the case of the murders and deaths of Andrew J. Borden and Abbey Durfee Gray Borden are still open as an 'unsolved' murder case in the Commonwealth".

This according to a fellow Police Detective from the City of Fall River of whom my brother as occasions to meet in Superior Court in New Beford from time to time.

My brother knows of my sincere interest in the Borden case and has promised me to seek out as much "inside" scoop has he might gleen. If he should ever have "earth shattering" news you can bet your bottom dollar that if I can post it I certainly will.  However my take on this is that he wouldn't unearth any new item.

If someone were to make an astounding "discovery" of new evidence and such evidence were presented the Bristol County D.A.'s Office I would think that the D.A. would revive the case and hear the new evidence.

But like all cases of this duration it is best to keep it in the form of a legend.  Such is the situtation with the Boston Strangler case of the early 1960's.  Like the Borden case that too is still an "open" unsolved murder.

BC


4. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by Kat on Mar-31st-02 at 12:33 AM
In response to Message #3.

BC:
I was hoping your brother would get in on this question today. ...Thanks!
Mr. Caplain, in an LBQ issue, quoted a newspaper article from 1893 that said *in 6 more years someone could come foreward and confess* and he presumed that meant the *statute of limitations* would be UP by then..6 years plus the1= 7.
That gave me the idea tht different states had different limits as to how long the crime of a murder case could remain "open".  Or also, that there may have been a limit AT ONE TIME, in the past, but that the law had been changed...here we go again!

Presumably, if that reporter was wrong (gee, is that possible?) then since the Borden girls put up a $5,000 reward, would we be elegible, with INTEREST OF COURSE, to claim it, if we solved the crime and brought charges against someone?  Can charges be brought against a deceased person, anyway?


5. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by rays on Apr-2nd-02 at 1:16 PM
In response to Message #4.

The Borden Murders are effectively closed. No one could be convicted, and the case is spoiled; the prosecution's first case was not proven.
It only remains to be discussed in places like this.


6. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by rays on Apr-2nd-02 at 1:17 PM
In response to Message #5.

I would be more interested in the true Crime of the Century: the unsolved assassination of JFK. But the conspiracy can not be uncovered or prosecuted in a court of law. Too many dead witnesses!!!


7. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by Bob Gutowski on Apr-2nd-02 at 3:54 PM
In response to Message #6.

Unless I miss my guess, the Borden murders and the Kennedy assassination DID take place in two different centuries, no?


8. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by bobcook848 on Apr-2nd-02 at 9:43 PM
In response to Message #7.

Yes, you are totally correct.  Each crime was committed in an entirely different century.  Borden's 19th Century, Kennedy 20th Century.  Neither case has much in common except that the prinicpal players or player (Borden's/Kennedy) were from Massachusetts.

BC


9. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by Carol on Apr-4th-02 at 5:38 PM
In response to Message #8.

Have you ever noticed that Massachusetts history of crime could be influenced by its name....from it can be deduced the words Mass Hatchets!


10. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by Kat on Apr-4th-02 at 10:51 PM
In response to Message #9.

That's really weird you mentioned THe name of A PLACE INFLUENCING A CRIME!!!!!

I've been thinking about this as either a phenomana or a coincidence (Not Mass., per se..)

In England there were these murders of women and their bodies were left by railroad tracks.  In the later crimes the woman's body cavity would be stuffed with leaves and set afire, supposedly to eliminate DNA evidence...
BUT:  the NAME of the nearest town where these atrocities occurred was "KILLBURN!"

In Texas, when that maniac drove his truck into LUBY'S CAFETERIA, killing all those people, ON PURPOSE, the name of the town was KILLEEN.

Etc...fascinating.-kk


11. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by rays on Apr-5th-02 at 12:21 PM
In response to Message #10.

I'm pretty sure that it was the Luby's in LUBBOCK where that mass murder occurred (around Jan 1994?). I found Furr's Cafeterias to be better than Luby's myself (you may not agree).

The importance of this event is that it led to Texas' passage of a law giving the "right to carry" concealed weapons. A RN testified that she carried a pistol in her car (travelled around) but would not carry it because it would mean a loss of her license. She saw both her parents killed, but could do nothing because her pistol was in her car! She later got elected to State Assembly and helped pass this law; she was on a TV program late last year.

Now 33 of the 48 states have passed such a law since 1989; Ohio may become the 34th. South Dakota and Vermont never infringed on the 2nd Amendment; you can compare their crime rates to other states. The ten cities with the highest crime rates also have the most restrictive gun laws. You can review "American Rifleman" or "Guns & Ammo" at your library to see the results in Gt.Britain since they confiscated all guns. Your local newspaper will not report this.


12. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by Kat on Apr-6th-02 at 1:18 AM
In response to Message #11.

I went to *search* to verify what I posted.
I am allergic to the vegetable dye used in the printing process of newspapers, so haven't read one in years.
I find out the news by T.v., and by talking BACK to the Television, I make up my own mind.
(Researchers say this is *Healthy*.)

Anyway, went to DOGPILE.COM which eventually sent me to PARTNERS.MAMMA.com

"Oct., 1991, George Hennard shoots 24 people dead after crashing his truck into Luby's Cafeteria in KILLEEN, TEXAS."

(Message last edited Apr-6th-02  8:44 AM.)


13. "Re: Open or Closed?"
Posted by rays on Apr-7th-02 at 2:54 PM
In response to Message #12.

I'm sorry if my memory played a trick on me. Back in 1994 I visited relatives in Amarillo, and the subject came up before we went to the local Luby's (a regional chain). The BIG EVENT in that area.

I will accept your research in this matter because Killeen is quite a way from Lubbock, as I remember it.



 

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