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Topic Name: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book

1. "We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Harry on Mar-29th-02 at 6:37 PM

The Borden murder case ranked third in this professors ten most interesting murder cases. Number one I never heard of. The Arnold Brown enthusiasts will love the last line in number six.

http://www.slu.edu/publications/gc/v7-2/top_ten.shtml

Abigail Borden?  Geez.


2. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by rays on Apr-5th-02 at 12:41 PM
In response to Message #1.

Why isn't the Nicole B. Simpson / Ron Goldman murders listed here? So out of date! Anything over about 75 years is a dead issue.

You might want to browse www.policenet.com/ojcons1.html for some views on this case.


3. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by diana on Apr-7th-02 at 6:50 PM
In response to Message #1.

I wonder how many on the board are familiar with the details of the Julia Wallace case. It is my second favorite unsolved mystery (next to the Bordens, of course).  There are a few parallels to the Borden case.  No murder weapon discovered. Timing was a crucial element --  William Herbert Wallace appeared to have a mere 18 minutes in which to murder his wife and tidy up.  Prosecution tried to promote the idea that the husband had been naked and worn a raincoat when he bludgeoned his wife to explain away the absence of blood on his clothing.  The principals were law-abiding citizens leading a quiet, secluded, humdrum life up until the crime. 

The husband was initially convicted but his case made legal history in Britain when his conviction was quashed on appeal because the trial verdict was not supported by evidence.  Although he was freed, he became the subject of malicious gossip that many said led to his health problems and he died within two years of the trial.  So he suffered a similar social ostracization as poor Lizzie.

There are quite a few books about the case.  There used to be an excellent web-site originating in the U.K. -- with crime scene pictures, Wallace's police statement, a bibliography, etc.  But it's no longer operative. 

Dorothy L. Sayers essay on the murder appears in a number of true crime compilations and provides an excellent groundwork for this intriguing puzzle.     


4. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Harry on Apr-7th-02 at 6:58 PM
In response to Message #3.

Diana, thanks for the info. As I said in my prior post I had not heard of this case. I'll have to dig and see what I can turn up on it.


5. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Kat on Apr-8th-02 at 12:54 AM
In response to Message #4.

Dorothy Sayers was a GEM!
I vaugely rember the Wallace case.  I too, will re-look it up in one of my Anthologies.

By The Way:  Has ANYONE yet found a case that is similar in that the daughter is accused of brutally killing her parents, alone, without help, after the age of 25?   JUSt oNe CASE?


6. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Harry on Apr-8th-02 at 11:52 AM
In response to Message #4.

There's at least two books out there on the case:

"The Killing Of Julia Wallace" by Jonathan Goodman

"Wallace. The Final Verdict. Who Really Murdered Julia Wallace?" by Roger Wilkes

Both are available at http://www.Bookfinder.com


7. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by diana on Apr-8th-02 at 3:07 PM
In response to Message #6.

There's quite a good synopsis of the case (which mentions both these books) on http://deana.linuxdriven.net/reading.html
The heading of the page is unfortunate (Deana's purple pages!) But it's the most comprehensive version I could find on the net.  


8. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Kat on Apr-9th-02 at 12:39 AM
In response to Message #7.

Yes, I have that book, by Goodman.  I think her case is the last one in there.  I must have read that 5 years ago!
I LOVE crime anthologies!
Also, the first case, is by Edmund Pearson, Rules For Murderesses.


9. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by diana on Apr-9th-02 at 1:10 PM
In response to Message #5.

That's a good question, Kat -- about the daughter as the lone murderess.  I've been thinking about all the parricides I can remember offhand -- but, you're right, most of them have been committed in tandem with siblings, or boyfriends, etc.  Maybe our Lizzie is indeed unique!


10. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Edisto on Apr-9th-02 at 9:04 PM
In response to Message #9.

-Or maybe our Lizzie DID act in tandem with a sibling or a boyfriend.  As I recall, both possibilities have been explored by authors in the past.


11. "Re: We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Kat on Apr-10th-02 at 12:51 AM
In response to Message #10.

Stef and I did a preliminary, casual study of females who kill their parents and usually they are TEENS, in tandem with a boyfriend or a group of drugged friends (like The Vampire Cult Slayings here in Eustis, Fla.).  In that case THE DAUGHTER was the ONLY one NOT CHARGED!!  Go Figure...
It seems, if Lizzie were to fit our profile, she would have cracked at the age of 20 or so...1880?  (Did kids *do drugs* back then?)

I don't know if there really IS a case that's *unique*, human nature being what it is...any thoughts?



 

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