1. "We're number 3 in this Prof.'s
book"
Posted by Harry on Mar-29th-02 at 6:37 PM
The Borden murder case ranked third in
this professors ten most interesting murder cases. Number
one I never heard of. The Arnold Brown enthusiasts will
love the last line in number six.
http://www.slu.edu/publications/gc/v7-2/top_ten.shtml
Abigail Borden? Geez.
2. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by rays on Apr-5th-02 at 12:41 PM
In response to Message #1.
Why isn't the Nicole B. Simpson / Ron
Goldman murders listed here? So out of date! Anything
over about 75 years is a dead issue.
You might want to browse www.policenet.com/ojcons1.html
for some views on this case.
3. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by diana on Apr-7th-02 at 6:50 PM
In response to Message #1.
I wonder how many on the board are familiar
with the details of the Julia Wallace case. It is my second
favorite unsolved mystery (next to the Bordens, of course).
There are a few parallels to the Borden case. No
murder weapon discovered. Timing was a crucial element
-- William Herbert Wallace appeared to have a mere
18 minutes in which to murder his wife and tidy up.
Prosecution tried to promote the idea that the husband
had been naked and worn a raincoat when he bludgeoned
his wife to explain away the absence of blood on his clothing.
The principals were law-abiding citizens leading a quiet,
secluded, humdrum life up until the crime.
The husband was initially convicted but his case made
legal history in Britain when his conviction was quashed
on appeal because the trial verdict was not supported
by evidence. Although he was freed, he became the
subject of malicious gossip that many said led to his
health problems and he died within two years of the trial.
So he suffered a similar social ostracization as poor
Lizzie.
There are quite a few books about the case. There
used to be an excellent web-site originating in the U.K.
-- with crime scene pictures, Wallace's police statement,
a bibliography, etc. But it's no longer operative.
Dorothy L. Sayers essay on the murder appears in a number
of true crime compilations and provides an excellent groundwork
for this intriguing puzzle.
4. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Harry on Apr-7th-02 at 6:58 PM
In response to Message #3.
Diana, thanks for the info. As I said
in my prior post I had not heard of this case. I'll have
to dig and see what I can turn up on it.
5. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Kat on Apr-8th-02 at 12:54 AM
In response to Message #4.
Dorothy Sayers was a GEM!
I vaugely rember the Wallace case. I too, will re-look
it up in one of my Anthologies.
By The Way: Has ANYONE yet found a case that is
similar in that the daughter is accused of brutally
killing her parents, alone, without help, after the age
of 25? JUSt oNe CASE?
6. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Harry on Apr-8th-02 at 11:52 AM
In response to Message #4.
There's at least two books out there on
the case:
"The Killing Of Julia Wallace" by Jonathan Goodman
"Wallace. The Final Verdict. Who Really Murdered
Julia Wallace?" by Roger Wilkes
Both are available at http://www.Bookfinder.com
7. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by diana on Apr-8th-02 at 3:07 PM
In response to Message #6.
There's quite a good synopsis of the case
(which mentions both these books) on http://deana.linuxdriven.net/reading.html
The heading of the page is unfortunate (Deana's purple
pages!) But it's the most comprehensive version I could
find on the net.
8. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Kat on Apr-9th-02 at 12:39 AM
In response to Message #7.
Yes, I have that book, by Goodman.
I think her case is the last one in there. I must
have read that 5 years ago!
I LOVE crime anthologies!
Also, the first case, is by Edmund Pearson, Rules For
Murderesses.
9. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by diana on Apr-9th-02 at 1:10 PM
In response to Message #5.
That's a good question, Kat -- about the
daughter as the lone murderess. I've been thinking
about all the parricides I can remember offhand -- but,
you're right, most of them have been committed in tandem
with siblings, or boyfriends, etc. Maybe our Lizzie
is indeed unique!
10. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Edisto on Apr-9th-02 at 9:04 PM
In response to Message #9.
-Or maybe our Lizzie DID act in tandem
with a sibling or a boyfriend. As I recall, both
possibilities have been explored by authors in the past.
11. "Re:
We're number 3 in this Prof.'s book"
Posted by Kat on Apr-10th-02 at 12:51 AM
In response to Message #10.
Stef and I did a preliminary, casual study
of females who kill their parents and usually they are
TEENS, in tandem with a boyfriend or a group of drugged
friends (like The Vampire Cult Slayings here in Eustis,
Fla.). In that case THE DAUGHTER was the ONLY one
NOT CHARGED!! Go Figure...
It seems, if Lizzie were to fit our profile, she would
have cracked at the age of 20 or so...1880? (Did
kids *do drugs* back then?)
I don't know if there really IS a case that's *unique*,
human nature being what it is...any thoughts?
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