Forum Title: LIZZIE BORDEN SOCIETY
Topic Area: Fall River and Its Environs
Topic Name: Antique Roadshow Now-PBS-Boston

1. "Antique Roadshow Now-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Kat on Oct-13th-02 at 1:05 AM

They just started with Lizzie Borden.
WEX REX of Framingham, assigned values to a few silver pieces that were reported to him as once belonging to Lizzie.
There were 2 large spoons, and one small spoon and a salt shaker that looked partly cut crystal.  These items were assessed at about $2,000.  The silver content was to be taken into account as well as the provenance which the man who brought them claimed were listed in REBELLO!  It may have been mainly a small inlaid side round table that he claimed was in Rebello, but he didn't name the book.
The association was explained as his aunt (or great aunt?) used to drive Lizzie around and was one of her friends and these items were left to her in the will.
The man was not identified.
I think they both had pony-tails and were about a similar age...about 62.

This all just happened so fast I sat right down and wrote about it immediately.  This is my most recent memory of what was just shown in about 3 minutes, if that.
I posted the THREAD title first, to alert ROADSHOW was in Boston, and on NOW EDST, then clicked "EDIT" to write the body of this post

(Message last edited Oct-13th-02  1:19 AM.)


2. "Re: Antique Roadshow Now-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Edisto on Oct-13th-02 at 12:11 PM
In response to Message #1.

Well, I missed that one.  I'll try to find a rerun.  They looked "about 62"?  I love it!  Kat, you are indeed perspicacious, and I mean that as a compliment.  However, I do find a minor hole in their story.  Their relative used to drive Lizzie around?  Why?  We know Lizzie had her own driver.  More likely Lizzie's driver would have driven Lizzie and the relative around in Lizzie's very roomy car.  I remember the "Lizzie from Abbie" silver cup in Rebello, but no other silver.  Checked out his "Memorabilia" section (pp. 502-506); no mention of these items.  (Could be elsewhere in the book, of course.)  To be of any worth, a provenance needs to be written.  Do we have any idea what this relative's name was?


3. "Re: Antique Roadshow Now-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Kat on Oct-13th-02 at 9:26 PM
In response to Message #2.

He was un-named and he pointed to an indented section of Rebello...I think it was Lizzie's will.  And I got the impression it was to the "table" he was first referring.

I thought the same as you as to the *driver* but maybe just maybe the drivers WIFE rode along in front?  It might have been a treat?  That would be [edit here:]Terry family, wouldn't it? 
I need to look this up...They got a lot out of Lizzie...

We can always ask  Wex Rez , or whatever the Framingham authority's name was  (see above...)

[Edit Here:]
Page 332 Rebello--"Furniture, Schedule A"
Lists the "Octaganal Inlaid Stand, $15."
Maybe that was it.
It was only shown close up and for a second or two.
Pg. 331 says the furniture was given to Lee Cleverly Lanza.


(Message last edited Oct-13th-02  9:39 PM.)


4. "Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Kat on Oct-15th-02 at 5:23 PM
In response to Message #3.

The show I saw advertised the Gardner Museum at the very beginning, then went straight to one appraisal, then BAM!  Into the Lizzie segment.
This was all in the first 5 minutes!
Gook Luck.

(From "YAHOO" T.V. Listings):
[Edit Here:--new info ...your times and channels may vary]   But it will be several Boston episodes this week at different times.

Antiques Roadshow   
------------------------------------------------------------------------
WMFE Oct 18 08:00pm  Add to My Calendar
Series/Other, 60 Mins.

"Boston", Episode #608.
Boston; Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum; citizenship certificate; trunk; tureen.


Original Airdate: October 12, 2001.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Future Airings:
Antiques Roadshow, WMFE Oct 19 12:00pm
Antiques Roadshow, WMFE Oct 19 06:00pm
Antiques Roadshow, WMFE Oct 21 08:00pm
Antiques Roadshow, WMFE Oct 26 12:00pm
Antiques Roadshow, WMFE Oct 26 06:00pm



(Message last edited Oct-15th-02  5:45 PM.)


5. "Re: Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Edisto on Oct-15th-02 at 6:38 PM
In response to Message #4.

In our area, they usually air the same show several times during the week.  I think the PBS stations tend to do their own thing with air times though.  I haven't been watching Antiques Road Show regularly, because they've been airing a lot of reruns in our area.  Of course, I guess this is a rerun that I must've missed the first time around.


6. "Re: Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Kat on Oct-15th-02 at 7:41 PM
In response to Message #5.

http://www.arborwood.com/awforums/show-topic-1.php?start=1&fid=27&taid=3&topid=316

A conversation from April 1st, about this show.
OH I hope someone catches it and takes notes...someone who knows about items like these...at least you'll be prepared.  (It all happened so fast! )

(Message last edited Oct-15th-02  7:46 PM.)


7. "Re: Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Edisto on Oct-16th-02 at 1:07 AM
In response to Message #6.

I haven't been able to locate that show on my local TV schedule.  I was looking at Lizzie's will in Rebello tonight.  Most of the people mentioned in her will received money, not household items.  Some specific pieces of jewelry were left to several friends.  Ellen B. Terry, wife of the chauffeur, got $2,000.  Ellen Miller, the housekeeper, got $3,000 and the contents of her own room "if she wants them."  The residue, which would probably include silver and furniture, went in equal shares to Grace Howe and Helen Leighton.  Interestingly, there doesn't seem to be any silver listed in the inventory of Lizzie's belongings.  Did she eat with her hands?  Use plastic?  "China" is mentioned as being one of the things Grace Howe was to get "second choice" of.  (Who got first choice?)  About the only indented section I see in Rebello is the inventory (page 332), which does list several tables, but no silver.  Yet another mystery...
It's also interesting that the appraiser on ARS talked about the silver's melt-down value, because the melt-down value of silver is usually pretty paltry.  Whatever silver Lizzie might have had I would think would derive most of its value from its connection to her!


8. "Re: Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Kat on Oct-16th-02 at 2:23 AM
In response to Message #7.

Well, I did watch 1/2 a Boston episode tonight around 9:30.

The last piece was an early American Soldiers Tomahawk.  It was gorgeous!  It may have had Washinton's initials on one side.  The appraiser said it belonged in a museum as a part of our heritage.  (Hint-Hint...please donate?)

It was valued at $100,000   I think....

It looked like a nice weapon to kill our Bordens...handle about 14", with a cutting edge of about 3".

(Message last edited Oct-16th-02  2:25 AM.)


9. "Re: Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Edisto on Oct-16th-02 at 12:33 PM
In response to Message #8.

I tried the ARS website, but the edited comments on the Boston shows didn't mention Lizzie at all.  The tomahawk was mentioned, though.  I get the feeling the ARS experts either didn't take the "Lizzie" claim very seriouly, or they don't think a connection to Lizzie means much.  Now if I could only convince those people with the stock-dividend ledger it's worthless.  (I really don't think it's worthless, but I think they have an elevated idea of its value.) I'm not greedy...I'd like to have one -- just one -- Lizzie autograph, but it must be an authenticated one.  None of that bogus eBay stuff.


10. "Re: Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by Kat on Oct-17th-02 at 1:03 AM
In response to Message #9.

It's strange looking up T.V. listings...isn't it?

Anyway, the episode is #608   and will mention the Gardner Museum...
(one museum in Boston I can claim to have toured!)


11. "Re: Antique Roadshow -the 18th-PBS-Boston"
Posted by kashesan on Oct-24th-02 at 7:27 AM
In response to Message #7.

Oh, What I wouldn't give to own something that once belonged to Lizzie (whoops-better watch my words here, isn't this when the Devil pops up with a big book for me to sign?) But a ring or something, or a brooch? Wouldn't that be awesome? (and a little creepy)



 

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