Forum Title: LIZZIE BORDEN SOCIETY
Topic Area: Lizzie Andrew Borden
Topic Name: Glass?

1. "Glass?"
Posted by augusta on Jun-13th-02 at 6:36 PM

Dr. Dolan testified that there was blood on the picture over the sofa where Andrew was killed.

"...On that picture and frame were in all forty spots..."

(From page 95/Preliminary Hearing.)

Was there glass over the picture that day?


2. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Edisto on Jun-13th-02 at 8:16 PM
In response to Message #1.

When I visited the B&B in 1998, the staff claimed the art over the sofa was the same print that was hanging there on August 4, 1892 (well, not exactly the same one, but a copy of the same print)  It did have glass over it, as is common with prints on paper.  However, I've since read that it wasn't the correct print at all and has been replaced with another that is accurate.  I think it still has glass over it, though.


3. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Susan on Jun-13th-02 at 10:11 PM
In response to Message #1.

Augusta, you think I would have the definitive answer being an artist, but, it just supposition on my part.  I can't get the one picture of Andrew on the sofa with the art over him.  Anyway, if the piece is a print, when you mat and frame it, you would put glass over it to protect it.  Does anyone know exactly what the piece was and who did it?  Was it an etching or engraving?  Or a lithograph?  I remember once reading the name of the piece, would love to see it in color. 


4. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by harry on Jun-13th-02 at 11:15 PM
In response to Message #3.

"The Village Elms" by Bellows, 1878



Check the website www.lizzieandrewborden.com

Go to Links and check the B&B. They might sell copies.


5. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Susan on Jun-14th-02 at 2:27 AM
In response to Message #4.

Thank you, Harry!  It looks like a Currier and Ives print, its beautiful!  I've never had a look at it before, as a matter of fact, right now, I'm trying to picture it over the black horsehair lounge in the sitting room at Lizzie's house! 


6. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Kat on Jun-14th-02 at 3:19 AM
In response to Message #5.

That's beautiful Harry!


7. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by kashesan on Jun-14th-02 at 10:14 AM
In response to Message #4.

Too cool Harry, thank you very much. I have squinted and squinted at the photo of Andrew trying to make out that picture.


8. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Bob Gutowski on Jun-14th-02 at 5:00 PM
In response to Message #7.

I have a postcard of the print that I bought at The House - I don't know if they sell full-sized prints or not, though.


9. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by augusta on Jun-14th-02 at 6:31 PM
In response to Message #8.

I think the artist was a well-known Fall River one.  I'm guessing it was a litho.  Did they put glass over pictures/paintings, etc. in those days?


10. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Susan on Jun-14th-02 at 9:40 PM
In response to Message #9.

I know how dangerous it is to assume, but, I would assume that there was glass on that print.  Have you ever seen that show on KPBS THE ANTIQUES ROADSHOW?  Sometimes they ahve old prints or pieces that are in the original frames with glass in them.  If it was an oil painting you wouldn't put glass on that, you would want it to breath. 


11. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Kat on Jun-14th-02 at 11:34 PM
In response to Message #10.

From the web-site by Dr. Stefani Koorey
http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com
BIBLIOGRAPHIES
Lizzie Borden Quarterly

"Rebello, Leonard. 'Print in the Bordens' Sitting Room Identified.' Lizzie Borden Quarterly VII.2 (April 2000): 1, 18-21.
Rebello's article reports on the research and discovery of the title of the painting and the artist of the work that hung above the couch in the Borden's sitting room, directly above Andrew's lifeless body in the crime scene photograph. (it is titled 'The Village Elms - Sunday Morning in New England' by American artist Albert Fitch Bellows.)"


I did a WORDSEARCH in the Prelim., Dolan,  for "Glass" & "picture"...no luck so far


12. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Kat on Jun-15th-02 at 10:47 PM
In response to Message #11.

According to Harry, the picture "The Village Elms" was steel engraved in 1878 by J. Duthie, and mass-produced in London.
The artist, per LBQ article, was Albert Fitch Bellows, 1878, and was verified as THE PICTURE by Bill Pavao, curator at the B&B.
Mr. Pavao 's details included that the artist had ties to Fall River, his wife having lived there, and his son Howard, was born there.


13. "Re: Glass?"
Posted by Susan on Jun-16th-02 at 5:29 PM
In response to Message #12.

Ah, so it is an engraving!  It is a form of intaglio printing.  Intaglio is an Italian word meaning: an engraving or incised figure in a hard material(such as stone or metal) depressed below the surface of the material. 

Thanks for the info, Kat! 



 

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