1. "Lizzie and Science"
Posted by Susan on Oct-28th-02 at 10:09 PM

Found this interesting little tidbit, Lizzie's name is being used for a type of evolution!

Heres the link:

http://www.galafilm.com/afterdarwin/english/glossary/lizzieborden.html

Plus this fun site that covers a type of schizophrenia that was triggered by Lizzie and sounds an awful lot like what Victoria Lincoln was suggesting about our Lizzie.

Heres the link"
http://focus.hms.harvard.edu/1996/Apr26_1996/Psychiatry.html

(Message last edited Oct-28th-02  10:35 PM.)

I hate to say it but that sounds like some HaaVaaD bull-poopy.

That's like saying Without these controls we'd be walking around killing things.  Why would that be the first response to the turning off of the impulse-control region of the brain?

We're not  basically killers that have controls, built in to live in society.
Why don't these people kill Themselves, if they have an irresistable inpulse to kill SomeThing?

But thanks for the 2 links.

  HaaVaad Bull-poopy!  Sounds like one of the 'guttural' phrases our Lizzie would have used!

Yes, the second link sounded like they were making an excuse for killing, but, what I got from it was that without this brain control center, we would act like animals.  We wouldn't reason or think out our actions, we would just do.  I thought it was interesting because they had also mentioned the Temperal Lobe Epilepsy that Lizzie was supposed to have suffered from in Lincoln's book.

The first link is cool because the evolution is named after our Lizzie, even if it does rely on her having killed her parents to match their thesis. 

Within the past few days, I've read something that relates to this subject (science), but I'm not sure where.  I think it was in an old issue of the LBQ, because I've been going through my archive recently.

It seems there's a syndrome in infants that involves the cranium.  In x-rays, the skull shows a pattern that looks as if it has been struck with an axe (sort of an elongated triangle).  Because it looks that way, it's called something like "Lizzie Borden Syndrome."  Poor Lizzie!  Why isn't anything pleasant named for her?  Possibly tripe and mushrooms could be named "a' la' Lizzie Borden"?  (Well, maybe that isn't pleasant enough.)

Thanks, Edisto!  That is sad about the infants and sadder that they named it after Lizzie.

Tripe and mushrooms, hmmmm.  I was thinking instead of something being 'julienned' it could be 'Lizzied' instead.  But, seriously, nothing nice is named after her, why not an animal rescue league?  I at least have flowers that share my name, black-eyed Susans or that tabletop turntable thingie, a lazy Susan.  Or, there used to be that jarred cooking sauce, Saucy Susan.  We could rename the tabletop thingie and call it a lazy Lizzie! 

What about Tin Lizzie's? And....and....and....that is all I can
think of. After she gave them all that money you would think the animal rescue place would have named a branch after her.

They also have brown-eyed Susan's. And don't y'all
just love Susan Hayward?

(Message last edited Oct-29th-02  11:44 PM.)

Well Whadayaknow.
I actually found something immediately in Rebello!
Wanna know HOW?
I used the Table of Contents in the FRONT of the book.
Went straight to "Medicine".  (I never DID that before.)

Anyway, pg. 402:
"MEDICINE
Murray, M.D., Provan C., Monical A. Rossleigh, M.B., and Jenny Dixon, A.N.M.T., 'The "Lizzie Borden" Sign of Increased Intracranial Pressure in Infants,' Clinical Nuclear Medicine. vol. 20, June / 1995: 560-561.

Growth plates in an infant's skull will separate by the increased swelling of the brain.  This separation is what is referred to as the Lizzie Borden sign of intracranial pressure."

--So, Susan , I figure if "like animals" these people with no contols would just as soon mate as kill....and seek food, and sleep.  And maybe even want to be around others like them in a herd.

Thanks for finding that, Kat.  Sad, but, still amazing that Lizzie's name is still in vogue.

I was thinking of animals, like a dog thats not well trained, you scare it or it thinks you are threatening it, it might bite you or at the very least snap at you. I understand what you're saying, but, I was thinking how an animal will do something without thinking of the consequences.  Chimps sometimes murder other chimps, Male lions will kill their offspring sometimes, I was thinking of things along those lines.

I would be sceptical of any doctor or school that would name a verified and proved type of negative physical condition after a human being who was not found not guilty and not proved to have had any such condition.

January, 1997, issue of the LBQ, The Bibliographic Borden, by Lisa Zawadzki. pg. 4.

The researchers were Australian, and Lisa is quoted, "...You can see quite clearly why the authors chose the name they did.  I do, however, wonder at their sense of humor."

I guess I don't see much humor there.