Forum Title: LIZZIE BORDEN SOCIETY
Topic Area: Lizzie Andrew Borden
Topic Name: new features on the web site

1. "new features on the web site"
Posted by Stefani on Jul-19th-02 at 9:44 AM

I neglected to mention that there are lots of new features on the new web site. You might really enjoy the search feature that I added. If you want a specific name, I suggest you enter it in quotation marks so as to make a phrase out of your search. Otherwise, if you entered say Lizzie Borden without the quotes, you would get every page with Lizzie on it and every page with Borden on it. So instead, enter "Lizzie Borden" and you will get that phrase.

Also, I added, thanks to Harry, downloads of Wigmore and Davis (two separate articles) that were written soon after the crimes. They are both great reads. I also added the poem by Bixby that is alluded to in the current LBQ.

The New Reasearch area is also quite expanded with lots of new articles added. And don't miss the Writer's Corner with original work by  our Augusta, Tina-Kate and Kashesan.

These are not all the new features, just some of the highlights. I leave the rest to you to discover! (hint hint press reports).


2. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-20th-02 at 1:41 AM
In response to Message #1.

I tried the "search" feature but didn't know to type my phrase in quotes.

Of course, I typed in my name...and I received 148 links!
I thought, "Gee!  I don't remember writing ALL THAT!"

It was pretty funny, because it seems it gave me every cite to every person with our last name in our galaxy!

(Well, I exaggerate...it combined Stefani with me, so I was 19 and she was the rest...)


3. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kashesan on Jul-23rd-02 at 6:55 AM
In response to Message #1.

Gawd, two of those 'possible Lizzie photos' look like the real McCoy!


4. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-23rd-02 at 10:49 AM
In response to Message #3.

Which ones do you think are really Lizzie?  I think I've found a  way to eliminate one of the three fairly easily.  (There are, I believe, four images, but two of them are of the same group and made at the same time.)  Hint: there are some features that change very little over time.  It's a good idea to look at those carefully.

(Message last edited Jul-23rd-02  10:50 AM.)


5. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kashesan on Jul-23rd-02 at 2:05 PM
In response to Message #4.

I'm kind of taken with the ones where she's wearng the striped shirtfront. Looks like a twenty-something Lizzie.


6. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Susan on Jul-23rd-02 at 3:35 PM
In response to Message #5.

I was just looking at the possible Lizzie photos, the first one on the left with the two ladies head to head.  I suppose the woman on the right is supposed to be Lizzie?  One difference I noticed right off the bat was that her lips are too full.  Lizzie has a well defined "cupid's bow" mouth, but, her upper lip is thin compared to this woman's.  Unless Lizzie found a way to get collagen injections in the 1890s, I don't think that is her. 


7. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by bobcook848 on Jul-23rd-02 at 6:38 PM
In response to Message #6.

The new webpage is wicked awesome Steph...once again you have (as well as those who assisted you) have out done yourselves.

Where do you find the time?

Best of wishes on the new site...

BC


8. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Stefani on Jul-23rd-02 at 6:48 PM
In response to Message #7.

Here is a comparison of Lizzie and that woman on the possible's list. I hope this is the one you mean?


9. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-23rd-02 at 9:20 PM
In response to Message #4.

I saw on CSI that the eyes never change.
They were doing a computer enhanced aging of a photo of a 5 year old to see what she would look like at 20.  They said the face grows longer and OUT, and the final juxtaposition is with an overlay of the MOTHER's face.

That grouping seems to be of 3 sisters and *odd* friend.  They are leisurely and have no hats , whilst the visitor has retained her hat.  Also the 3 young girls are very similar in appearance (noses, eyes) with the darker girl being of a totally different type.

I missed the transition here...how did this subject get started?


10. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-23rd-02 at 10:22 PM
In response to Message #9.

If you're talking about the gazebo and porch shots, Kat, there are other hats in the pictures.  They're just not being worn.  The woman in the striped/patterned outfit seems to be much more dressed up than the others.  Her outfit looks like a traveling suit.  My first reaction when I looked at the gazebo shot was, "Who's the guy in the middle?"  Then I kinda got chills when I remembered the references to Lizzie's "mannish" look.  No frizzy bangs, but I think they'd be covered by the hat.  She looks very small-waisted for Lizzie, but the porch view is something of an optical illusion, if you look carefully.  Her waist, while slim, isn't quite as thin as it first appears.  I think the two women on the right in the gazebo view look like sisters, but the one on the left has a longer and somewhat stronger-looking face.  She also looks a little bit like the descriptions of Alice Russell, although she doesn't look much like the newspaper sketch we've all seen (wider mouth, for one thing).  To me, she looks decidcedly old-maidish.  The costumes, IMHO, date this picture to probably the 1880s.  No leg o' mutton sleeves, and the skirts are draped and/or have bustles.  Keith and I resized some "known" Lizzie photos, then I traced a couple and laid the see-through versions over the gazebo lady's face.  Most certainly the relationship of the features to one another is very like Lizzie.  Of course, I don't know where this picture came from, other than the fact that the FRHS owns it.  It could be four young ladies in Cincinnati, for all I know.  I'd certainly like to know more about it, though.

(Message last edited Jul-23rd-02  10:24 PM.)


11. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-23rd-02 at 10:36 PM
In response to Message #10.

I thought ladies at all times retained their hats unless at home at leisure.
That's why I assumed the odd one was just visiting.  She also seems out of place in the group, more straight-laced and less happy.  I agree as to the time frame, not because I know Anything about clothes but because if it were Lizzie she looks about 17 or 18 to me.
The nose is too smashed, tho, do you think?


12. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-23rd-02 at 11:07 PM
In response to Message #11.

I think the nose in the "porch" shot looks a bit like Lizzie's nose in that very early picture in which she looks pretty much like a gargoyle.  Lizzie was a master at posing, for the most part.  I read somewhere that she almost always kept her head turned so that her projecting jaw wasn't obvious.  I agree that the other three women have on "at home" type clothing (and possibly they are at their own home; for sure they didn't have a gazebo at 92 Second Street!).  The other hats that I can see are larger, brimmed ones.  In fact one of them looks casual enough to be similar to that "rough-and-ready" hat that Lizzie sometimes wore around home.  I think the dressed-up lady is a visitor to the scene.  To me, she looks older than her teens, especially in the gazebo view.  Judging by Silvia's captions, I'm not sure he even realized the women in those two pictures were the same people.  Unfortunately, he played pretty fast and loose with his illustrations.  When I first got the second volume, I thought he had a picture of Bertha Manchester, until I flipped back to the captions and realized it was just a "Bertha-Manchester-type" woman.


13. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Susan on Jul-24th-02 at 12:14 AM
In response to Message #8.

Yes, Stefani, that is the picture of the woman to which I was refering.  The similarities are there, but, when seen side by side, its obvious its not Lizzie.  The hair color is much darker, Lizzie's eyes seem to lift a bit more in the corners.  The imposter has a more downward turned mouth than Lizzie.  But, the face shape is similar, the ears appear to be of the same shape, and even the nose.  Uncanny! 


14. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-24th-02 at 1:58 AM
In response to Message #12.

Edisto, what about the picture BEFORE these two?
547.  Isn't this the same group, minus the *visitor*?


15. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by kashesan on Jul-24th-02 at 6:56 AM
In response to Message #8.

Yes thats the one! (Stripes, gazebo)

(Message last edited Jul-24th-02  7:00 AM.)


16. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-24th-02 at 1:12 PM
In response to Message #14.

Hmmm.  I looked at that with a magnifier when I first got the book.  There are certainly some people in the picture who do bear a resemblance to the other three ladies in the gazebo/porch pix.  Of course this picture of a larger group in and around a horse-car was made at a different time of year and in different outfits.  I was chiefly looking for people who figured in the Borden case and couldn't positively identify anyone.  You could certainly be right, because it would make sense for a family to have donated a set of pix to the FRHS, with some of the same family members appearing over and over again.  Incidentally, this is another house with a superficial resemblance to the Bordens', although there are major differences too.


17. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-25th-02 at 1:51 AM
In response to Message #11.



This is the "smashed nose" picture to which I alluded.  She looks like a boxer, here.  Is this poor lighting?
BTW:  Could those girls be a few of Rev. Buck's daughters?  Seems he had 5.
...


18. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-25th-02 at 10:07 AM
In response to Message #17.

I think the appearance of the nose in this shot may be largely the result of the lighting.  The porch seems to have a light-colored floor that bounces light up.  It affects the other ladies' faces too.  This can be a flattering effect, because it erases shadows and lines, but it also makes noses look wider.  Frankly, the lady in the stripes looks like a completely different person in this picture, doesn't she?  However, I'm sure two different people didn't have outfits like that.  It's extremely distinctive. 


19. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-26th-02 at 12:31 PM
In response to Message #1.

(Getting back to the original topic here) I'm finding that the search feature doesn't work for me.  Anybody else having this problem?  No matter what word(s) or phrase(s) I input, with or without quotes, the result is "O".  In most cases I later find what I was looking for and discover that I did input the correct spelling.  It may havE something to do with the fact that my ISP is AOL.  Now that I think about it, it may have been working originally and stopped working somewhere along the line.  I know this is a feature that was changed when the site was updated recently.


20. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by kashesan on Jul-26th-02 at 2:42 PM
In response to Message #17.

HMMmm. Mabe I was wrong, that blowup is questionable to me now.


21. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by diana on Jul-26th-02 at 5:15 PM
In response to Message #19.

Hi Edisto -- I went in and tried the search feature.  I seems to work for me.  I wasn't sure if you meant the Arborwood Forums search mode or the one on the actual website -- so I tried each one and got results from my inputs on both.


22. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Stefani on Jul-26th-02 at 5:39 PM
In response to Message #21.

The search feature on the web site works for me as of 5:30 pm today, friday the 26th of July.

What browser do you use? It is my experience that if someone is having problems here or there with connections or viewing pages, etc., the problem lies with the browser. Odd I know.


23. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-26th-02 at 6:36 PM
In response to Message #22.

As an experiment, I tried searching on "Lizzie," which certainly should have a lot of results.  I did get results that time, but not nearly the number I would expect.  I recall someone (Kat?) posting something about Lizzie's thinning hair and the wide part in it, so I searched on every hair-related term I could think of, with no result.  That's when I began trying other terms that are commonly used in the case.  For about ten searches, I got nothing.  Perhaps it is my browser or some other incompatibility problem.  It worked well until recently, though.


24. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by diana on Jul-26th-02 at 7:01 PM
In response to Message #23.

I just typed in Lizzie (with no quotation marks) and got 68 pages with a total of 418 listings.  I also typed in the word - hairline - and got Kat's message.  (But with that one, I changed the search parameters to 1 week.) 


25. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-26th-02 at 8:06 PM
In response to Message #24.

I tried several different parameters for the hair item, since I couldn't actually recall when it was posted.  I got no results at all.  For "Lizzie" and just plain Lizzie, I got fewer than ten results.  Something's definitely wrong on my end.


26. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-27th-02 at 12:50 AM
In response to Message #25.

I tell you what...This won't help, but I was having problems here on "Search" last week or the prior week.
I wanted to find the "Ain Countree" poem.
I entered every possible combination of things to find it.  I even found THE POEM elsewhere so I could verify that I was entering the correct author , or title, or whatever...and it ALWAYS returned "0".  I finally found it under Topic by looking At THE TOPICs and all I could figure at that time, was that it was a TITLE of a topic, without the "RE"- added.  BUt it still should have given a return.

I almost wrote Arborwood but didn't know what to tell them.
Like being in Algebra class and not knowing enough to ask the right question.
It does seem to be working now.

If it was the browser as Stef said, I have her old Mac, so it should have duplicated the error for her???


27. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Stefani on Jul-27th-02 at 1:01 PM
In response to Message #26.

No, I have the latest browser that works with OSX, you have OS8.6. Mine is more current so more able to see and hear all the new stuff out there. sorry.


28. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-27th-02 at 2:18 PM
In response to Message #26.

I have been able to get the search feature to work to some extent now.  I don't know what changed.  I do know that it doesn't seem to work as smoothly as it did before the recent changes.  I get many returns of "0" for words that definitely should bring up some results.  I've been using the same browser all along, so that wasn't what made the difference.  I've also been experiencing some problems on eBay, so maybe it's in my system somewhere.  If everybody else is able to get results, it isn't worth pursuing.


29. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-28th-02 at 5:06 AM
In response to Message #28.

Tried to attach a Morphed photo here w/ description.  No go.
It pretended to accept it all but upchucked it.  Hence, the 2 posts of N O T H I N G .  sorry

(Message last edited Jul-28th-02  5:12 AM.)


30. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-28th-02 at 5:09 AM
In response to Message #28.

Boo

(Message last edited Jul-28th-02  5:10 AM.)


31. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Edisto on Jul-28th-02 at 8:29 PM
In response to Message #30.

Is it Halloween already?  How time does fly!


32. "Re: new features on the web site"
Posted by Kat on Jul-29th-02 at 12:03 AM
In response to Message #31.

You must have read my mind!  Because I had Morphed Lizzie so her ears were as prominent as I claimed and her hair had thinned to balding at her overused parting.
Yes, she looked a bit like a Halloween mask...and the attachment turned out to be about 221K, when we are warned to keep files in the 75-100K range!



 

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