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Stay to Tea :: RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK!

augusta — Sat, 10 May 2008 02:59:00 GMT

Author: augusta
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:59 pm (GMT -5)

Hope you have a great birthday, Mark!
- Sherry

Stay to Tea :: RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK!

Nadzieja — Sat, 10 May 2008 01:06:29 GMT

Author: Nadzieja
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:06 pm (GMT -5)

Hope you have a great birthday!!!!!

Fall River Gatherings :: RE: May 2008 Fall River Forum Gathering

Susan — Sat, 10 May 2008 00:58:49 GMT

Author: Susan
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:58 pm (GMT -5)

I'm sorry to hear that, Shelley, I know your agony. Heres hoping you have a speedy recovery and are back up and around again soon.
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Stay to Tea :: RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK!

Susan — Sat, 10 May 2008 00:51:50 GMT

Author: Susan
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:51 pm (GMT -5)

Happy Birthday, Mark! Hope your special day is wonderful!

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Fall River and Its Environs :: RE: Fall River streets as they appear today

mbhenty — Fri, 09 May 2008 23:42:31 GMT

Author: mbhenty
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 6:42 pm (GMT -5)

I found this photograph on ebay for sale.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350056602003

It's of 59 Phillips Street. Nothing vital or of import about No. 59 except that it's a perfect example of a New England bungalow, circa early 20th century.

The interesting thing for me are the changes in architecture over time. How the house looked when it was built and how it looks today.

As you can see, the grounds around the house have been raised to the shingle level and a driveway installled. The back porch, similar to the one at 92, with egress to the front and back of the house, has been modified, closed in, with now the only entrance towards the back of the house.

Also the front entrance has been changed. The original stairs were at the front of the house just below the front door. In time, these were removed and the side porch wall was opened up to support a new stairwell to the side walk. In this case I would be willing to replace the steps and put them back where they should be. (And of course the installation of the ever so ugly replacement window.)

All in all, in 80+ years very little changes were made to this wonderful little building which retains most of it's lines and character.

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Fall River Gatherings :: RE: May 2008 Fall River Forum Gathering

Harry — Fri, 09 May 2008 22:38:27 GMT

Author: Harry
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:38 pm (GMT -5)

Got my fingers crossed for you.

Had a lithotripsy done in 2001. Haven't had any serious problem since. It's good that you are having it done.
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Fall River Gatherings :: RE: May 2008 Fall River Forum Gathering

Shelley — Fri, 09 May 2008 22:32:46 GMT

Author: Shelley
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:32 pm (GMT -5)

Am not yet out of the woods, Harry. While two have been disposed of by one way or another- the Death Star of 8 mm remains to be sound wave blasted this coming Wednesday by Obi Wan and his lithotripsy machine. I had laser surgery two days ago to pulverize the other nasty asteroid. Ah, old age- not for sissies. It's been a jello and chicken broth week.

It has not been all bad news though. I was heading up to FR to work last Friday, togged out in my new black velvet Lizzie ensemble when suddenly at exit 7, the dull pain in my side became a jagged buzz saw slicing me in half. I called LeeAnn and Dee, turned the car around and raced off to the emergency room at top speed, plowed through the ER door, not even thinking about the costume, and collapsed in a chair to the utter amazement of staff and patients loitering around. I will say I got VIP and immediate attention- even without the hatchet, and I got a few room visits from docs and nurses who had "heard about the nut who came in ER" . I was propped up in bed reading the Hatchet when my urologist came in - he never bothered asking how I was doing, but mostly wanted to scoop on Lizzie, Second Street, and the Hatchet. So- it was all good I guess.
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Fall River Gatherings :: RE: May 2008 Fall River Forum Gathering

Harry — Fri, 09 May 2008 22:26:10 GMT

Author: Harry
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 5:26 pm (GMT -5)

Ouch on the kidney stones, Shelley. Hope you are feeling better.
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Lizzie Andrew Borden :: RE: Interview with Evan Hunter on Mondo

bob_m_ryan — Fri, 09 May 2008 21:39:48 GMT

Author: bob_m_ryan
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 4:39 pm (GMT -5)

Thanks Harry, that was good.
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Stay to Tea :: RE: Ghost Photo???

Richard — Fri, 09 May 2008 20:00:17 GMT

Author: Richard
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 3:00 pm (GMT -5)

My personal belief is that all of matter and energy is "light slowed down" so perhaps spirits are moving at different speeds than we are, or vibrating at different frequencies. I don't discount the possibility that photography (the art of capturing light with a man-made machine) can also capture images of these beings.
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Fall River Gatherings :: RE: May 2008 Fall River Forum Gathering

Shelley — Fri, 09 May 2008 18:22:05 GMT

Author: Shelley
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 1:22 pm (GMT -5)

A Mutton Eater's Newsletter is going out tonight. I have been in the hospital yet AGAIN this week with more kidney stones so I am a bit late with the updates. Our Friday morning venues have been confirmed today, with a visit to see the new portraits at the Swansea Library, and some stops at the Borden points of interest on the other side of the Taunton River. Two weeks and counting!
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Lizzie Andrew Borden :: RE: The Borden Case in Popular Culture

Kat — Fri, 09 May 2008 17:39:53 GMT

Author: Kat
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:39 pm (GMT -5)

In the book by Ann Rule, No Regrets, and Other True Cases, Vol. 11 in her "Crime Files" series, the main story is about Ruth Neslund, whose husband disappeared and it's thought she killed him, or helped dispose of his body. He was a rather "famous" character in the Pacific Northwest, being a well-respected ship's pilot. He was like a legend.
After he disappeared, Ruth opened their home as a B&B.

On page 194 Ann Rule writes:
"Whether the notoriety of what was rumored to have happened in the huge home drew visitors, who could say? The house that was once home to Lizzie Borden has been a successful bed-and-breakfast. Some said that Ruth's 'gimmick' was not her antiques at all, but the possibility that a grotesque murder had occurred on the premises. Ruth Neslund was beginning to need a larger income. Her legal expenses were substantial."

Then, in the photo section, the caption under one clams:
". . . The Neslund case has become the 'Lizzie Borden' mystery of the mystic Northwest."

No Regrets And Other True Cases
Ann Rule's Crime Files: Vol. 11
By Ann Rule
Thorndike Press
Thomson Gale
2006

Fall River Gatherings :: RE: May 2008 Fall River Forum Gathering

Michael — Fri, 09 May 2008 17:21:10 GMT

Author: Michael
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:21 pm (GMT -5)

Katrina and I, as well, are looking forward to seeing everyone again. We're almost there!
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Lizzie Andrew Borden :: RE: My Lizzie Borden Poem

Kat — Fri, 09 May 2008 17:06:04 GMT

Author: Kat
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 12:06 pm (GMT -5)

Thanks you guys! I was wondering if you'all had contributions? They could be big or small, or impromptu!

These can be fun.

Stay to Tea :: RE: Ghost Photo???

Tina-Kate — Fri, 09 May 2008 16:37:42 GMT

Author: Tina-Kate
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:37 am (GMT -5)

O, I don't mind skeptism...I've been known to "poo-poo" quite a lot myself.

But, I don't discount the possibility.

Ghosts manifesting are supposed to be light/energy of some kind & would possibly draw from what is around them to do so. I've heard theories that visible ghostly phenomena is close in nature to photography...rather like photographs or recordings of the past. The very nature of the supernatural to us is ethereal and enigmatic. Our understanding of such phenomena is limited. Perhaps that's the way it is supposed to be...otherwise it would be a common part of what we sense all the time. It's fascinating to research.

The weirdest thing I've ever seen was a cloth whisk itself off the top of my stereo with no breeze nor other explanation.

I just wish I'd discovered the zoom function on my camera while I was still there. I'd have liked to have done some research on the place...I was right next door to the actual house, plus nearby to some places where I might find out a few things.

Perhaps some day I'll be able to do some further investigation. It would be awfully cool if I were able to find out about people who lived there in the past...even more cool if I were to find pictures of people who resemble these images!
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Stay to Tea :: RE: Ghost Photo???

Richard — Fri, 09 May 2008 16:11:33 GMT

Author: Richard
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 11:11 am (GMT -5)

Fairhavenguy, I do agree that judging this particular photo is a separate issue from accepting the existence of ghosts. I think it was Harry Houdini who believed so passionately in the afterlife, that he spent a lot of energy exposing fake spiritualists. Part of his philosophy was that the overt frauds being committed by fake spiritualists was seriously jeapordizing the respectability and the accuracy of true ghost hunting.

In this particular case, I see the artifacting off the tree limbs and don't believe it to be anything supernatural. But Tina-Kate ,that's a completely separate issue from the belief or dis-belief in paranormal phenonmenon.

I do share you sense of wonder and magic about the universe. There are so many hidden energies and unexplored dimensions (even modern day quantum physics and super string theory is scientifically proving the existence of extra-dimensions beyond the fourth dimensions of time) and I believe its only a matter of time before we can prove the existence of the energies that would explain paranormal phenomenon, and I even believe that a large numer of people daily are experiencing things that can't be explained rationally. However, in this case, with all respect, I just don't see anything that can't be explained.

In other words, if we determine this photo doesn't show a ghost, that doesn't prove that ghosts aren't real. It just means in this particular photo, the image is the digital artifacting around the tree branch.
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Stay to Tea :: RE: Ghost Photo???

FairhavenGuy — Fri, 09 May 2008 15:36:03 GMT

Author: FairhavenGuy
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 10:36 am (GMT -5)

Orbs appear when camera-mounted flash units highlight virtually invisible dust particles or water droplets. It seems the close proximity of the flash to the lens on digital cameras is most responsible for the appearance of orbs.

I find it odd that most people accept that "red eye" in photos is from the flash reflecting off the retina of the eye and NOT from demonic possession, but they won't accept that orbs are also created by their camera flashes reflecting off dust.

Tina-Kate, I want you to know that I respect your thoughts on the afterlife and the possibility of ghosts.

I only feel that in the case of the particular photo you showed us, any truly impartial experts looking at the photo are probably going to suggest that a branch that's rather clearly extending from the foliage on the right side of the frame is most likely the cause of what shows up in that photo.
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Tina-Kate — Fri, 09 May 2008 14:55:45 GMT

Author: Tina-Kate
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:55 am (GMT -5)

Imagine all the fur on that poor guy's pants! How on earth did he/she balance?? The devils get in everywhere.
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�I am innocent. I leave it to my counsel to speak for me.�
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Stay to Tea :: RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK!

Harry — Fri, 09 May 2008 14:54:14 GMT

Author: Harry
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:54 am (GMT -5)

Happy Birthday, Mark

Enjoy your day!
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Stay to Tea :: RE: HAPPY BIRTHDAY MARK!

Tina-Kate — Fri, 09 May 2008 14:21:16 GMT

Author: Tina-Kate
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:21 am (GMT -5)

Happy Birthday! to one of our resident Fall Riverites.

(My goodness there seem to be a lot of Taureans here!)
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�I am innocent. I leave it to my counsel to speak for me.�
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Lizzie Andrew Borden :: RE: My Lizzie Borden Poem

Tina-Kate — Fri, 09 May 2008 14:18:59 GMT

Author: Tina-Kate
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 9:18 am (GMT -5)

I especially love this bit:

"They bought a house up on the Hill
news reporters stalked her still..."

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�I am innocent. I leave it to my counsel to speak for me.�
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Stay to Tea :: RE: Ghost Photo???

Tina-Kate — Fri, 09 May 2008 13:20:20 GMT

Author: Tina-Kate
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 8:20 am (GMT -5)

A little extreme. I don't believe a ghost could actually kill anyone (unless maybe someone had a heart attack from fright!)

Keeping an open mind doesn't mean letting the imagination go insane. A healthy balance should be kept between the scientific & the spiritual.

I can't honestly say I believe in ghosts because I've never actually seen one (except possibly here). Altho, I have known a lot of other rational people who believe they have seen one.

Myself, I happen to know there is some kind of existence after death. I say I know (not just merely believe) because I have had many communications of this kind. No visual "ghosts"...but communications in several different ways (as varied as the person who passed) shortly after the person died. Oftentimes there have been messages that I've passed on...& always the message was legit & there was confirmation it was real.

A lot of ghost "sightings" I've heard about have been from people who say they saw loved ones shortly after they passed. So, when someone has had such experiences, it's not a hard stretch to imagine such a thing as ghosts exist. The difference there would be if it was possible for a spirit to hang around for a lengthy time after passing over. Do they? Who knows. But ghost sightings have been going on for centuries.

And...it might be possible that a spirit would "use" the life energy from surrounding living things...like a tree...to manifest an image of themselves.

In this case, I had been observing this house for several days from a few different perspectives. Gorgeous house with very interesting architecture. Then, I actually went over & into its courtyard to take a close picture. This was the only house I photographed where I had spent a lot of time observing it beforehand. And it was the only house where something like these appeared. (After this, I went thru all others with a fine-toothed comb!) Perhaps I myself was observed while I was observing...& the observers found a way to let me know.

Not so crazy. I think it's a fascinating possibility.

And...who doesn't love a good ghost story?

O, BTW---I'm quite skeptical when it comes to "orbs". You never heard about them 30 years ago, but only recently. At least, I never heard of them.
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�I am innocent. I leave it to my counsel to speak for me.�
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Lizzie Andrew Borden :: RE: Interview with Evan Hunter on Mondo

snokkums — Fri, 09 May 2008 12:19:03 GMT

Author: snokkums
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:19 am (GMT -5)

I do have to agree with him on one point. This was a crime of passion. I mean, like he said you can whack someone on the head with on swing of an axe but 13 and 11; thats someone with alot of anger pinned up inside.
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Lizzie Andrew Borden :: RE: My Lizzie Borden Poem

snokkums — Fri, 09 May 2008 12:13:12 GMT

Author: snokkums
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:13 am (GMT -5)

I like that. That is so cool; wish I could write like that.
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Lizzie Andrew Borden :: RE: some politicans in Lizzies day.

snokkums — Fri, 09 May 2008 12:10:47 GMT

Author: snokkums
Posted: Fri May 09, 2008 7:10 am (GMT -5)

I forgot she was part of that movement to allowwomen to vote.
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