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distant relative?

Posted: Sat Apr 02, 2011 7:59 am
by snokkums
I was reading something on the guy that created condensed milk Gail Borden (Elise "the cow" Borden) of Borden milk fame. It said in his bio that he was a distant relative of Lizzies'. I can't seem to find any other than that one statement in the bio. Is he a distant relative or isn't he? Can't find any info for one way or another. :peanut7:

Re: distant relative?

Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:16 pm
by Yooper
I don't know if Gail was related to Lizzie, but it might be something he would want to keep quiet if they were related. On the other hand, maybe Elsie was related to Lizzie! :twisted:

Re: distant relative?

Posted: Thu Apr 07, 2011 4:31 am
by snokkums
Yeah, I can see your point. I don't think I'd like to advertise that I had an accused axe murderer for a relative.

Re: distant relative?

Posted: Fri Apr 08, 2011 12:36 pm
by shakiboo
lol Elsie was probably a distant couisine, and she wouldn't give a moo about who knew it!

Re: distant relative?

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 9:12 am
by twinsrwe
Yes, Gail Borden was distantly related Lizzie.

Note: Red highlighting is mine.

Richard BORDEN, the first of our BORDEN line to come to America, was born in Headcorn, County Kent, England, about 40 miles southeast of London and about 20 miles southwest of Canterbury. The fourth of 10 children, he was christened on 22 February 1595/6. (Great Britain was using the Julian calendar until 1752 while the rest of the world had been using the presently accepted Gregorian calendar since 1582. By our calendar Richard was christened on 4 March 1596.) At Headcorn he married Joane FOWLE on 28 September 1625. The old stone church where they were married is still standing. (Click here for more about the church.) Joane was born 15 Feb 1604 at Headcorn in County Kent, England, the second of four children. Richard inherited land in Headcorn from his father, but he and Joane moved in 1628 to Cranbrook in County Kent where she had relatives. His youngest brother, John BORDEN, emigrated to New England on the Elizabeth & Ann in May 1635. In the mid-1630's Richard and Joane sailed to America with five children and settled at Portsmouth, Rhode Island. Richard was the nineteenth signer of the compact creating the government of Aquidneck (later Rhode Island). He was elected a member of a committee to treat with the Dutch in 1653. He was elected Assistant at Portsmouth in 1653 and 1654, Treasurer of the United Colonies in 1654 and 1655, Commissioner in 1654, 1656, and 1657, and Deputy from Portsmouth to the Rhode Island General Assembly in 1667 and 1670. As a surveyor he acquired large tracts of land in Rhode Island and Monmouth County, East Jersey (now New Jersey). He died on 25 May 1671 at Portsmouth, Rhode Island. He was buried in Portsmouth at the burial ground of the Society of Friends (i.e., Quaker). Joane died on 15 July 1688 at Portsmouth. Their children were: Richard BORDEN (b. 1626), Thomas BORDEN (1627-1676), Francis BORDEN (1628-1705/6), Mary (BORDEN) COOKE (1632/3-1690), Elizabeth BORDEN (b. 1634), Matthew BORDEN (1638-1708), John BORDEN (1640-1716), Joseph BORDEN (1643-prob. by 1702), Sarah (BORDEN) HOLMES (1644-after 1705), Samuel BORDEN (1645-1716), Benjamin BORDEN (1649-c.1728), Amey (BORDEN) RICHARDSON (1653/4-1683/4). Son Matthew (born at Portsmouth on 16 May 1638) was "the first English child born on Rhode Island," according to Quaker records. Son John's (b. 1640) great-great-great-grandson, Gail BORDEN, III, was the inventor of condensed milk in the early 1850's and founder of the Borden Milk Company. He was also the original surveyor of Galveston, Texas. The west Texas town of Gail in Borden County were both named for him. (Gail BORDEN, III, (1801-1874) was the son of Gail BORDEN II (1777-1863), son of Gail BORDEN I (1745-1777), son of John BORDEN (1710-1761), son of John BORDEN (1675-c.1719), son of John BORDEN (1640-1716), son of Richard BORDEN (1595/6-1671), the immigrant.) John's (b. 1640) great-great-great-great-great-granddaughter, through a different line, was the famous Lizzie BORDEN, who was charged with killing her father and step-mother with an ax in 1892 in Fall River, Massachusetts. (Lizzie Andrew BORDEN (1860-1927) was the daughter of Andrew J. BORDEN (1822-1892), son of Abraham B. BORDEN (b. 1798), son of Richard BORDEN (d. after 1816), son of Richard BORDEN (1722-1795), son of Thomas BORDEN (1697-1740), son of Richard BORDEN (1671-c.1732), son of John BORDEN (1640-1716), son of Richard BORDEN (1595/6-1671), the immigrant.)

Source: http://www.thecolefamily.com/hobby/borden.htm

I may be wrong, but it appears as though Lizzie was also distantly related to Marilyn Monroe. (Scroll down the above link until you see a picture of Marilyn.)

Here are some other links for the connection of Gail Borden and Lizzie:

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.anc ... p28587.htm

http://hindskw.cts.com/KennethHinds/1733.html

http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Gene ... 01_297.htm

While doing a research I came across the following link to the thread titled, Elsie Borden, by augusta, that answers your question as well:

viewtopic.php?t=738

Re: distant relative?

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 4:20 pm
by shakiboo
Wow, Judy! That was interesting! I'd read some where that Elizabeth Montgomery was also a distant relative of Lizzie's too.

Re: distant relative?

Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 6:54 pm
by twinsrwe
I'm glad you enjoyed my post, Pam.

It's true; Elizabeth Montgomery and Lizzie Borden were sixth cousins once removed, both descending from 17th-century Massachusetts resident John Luther.

Sources:

http://www.genealogymagazine.com/elmo.html

http://www.bewitched.net/lizgenealogy.htm

Re: distant relative?

Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 7:44 am
by snokkums
Those links are very interesting. It interesting to who was related to whom.