Insanity In Borden Line

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Insanity In Borden Line

Postby hmcrabtree » Wed Nov 02, 2016 4:51 pm

Hello, this is my first post!
Though I have always been interested in the Lizzie Borden murders, I am here to look into any insanity in the family. I am researching a different line of the Bordens that moved to NC way back many generations, and researching someone who is on a census as "insane."
I did see one discussion of William S, Eliza, and Amanda having been in Taunton Asylum and William S (accused by Brown as the killer) hanging himself. Now I'm really intrigued. I do understand that in the past women especially could be labeled insane for any number of reasons. But I would like to know how far back any alleged mental illness went in the family.
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Re: Insanity In Borden Line

Postby twinsrwe » Mon Nov 07, 2016 9:39 pm

Hello, hmcrabtree, welcome to the forum. I apologize for taking so long to reply to your post; the presidential debates have been taking up a lot of my time. :sad:

It is an interesting question, you have there. I did a Google search and found the following web sites quite intriguing, although they may not be the kind of information you are looking for.

Lizzie Borden was Guilty…with Good Reason(s): http://tinyurl.com/jps2zwv

What role did psychopathy play in Lizzie Borden’s case? (Check out the refereances for this article.): http://tinyurl.com/odj5fye

This article in about Eliza Darling Borden, who was married to Lawdwick Borden, a brother of Abraham Bowen Borden, who was Andrew Jackson Borden’s father. Keep in mind that Eliza was not a blood relative of the Borden family. However, she was definitely insane: http://tinyurl.com/gne6m2g
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Re: Insanity In Borden Line

Postby hmcrabtree » Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:59 pm

Thanks! Will check them out.
I am researching a family that the subject of my book married into. His wife's mother was marked "insane" on the 1860 census. I know that could have meant a lot, but I was surprised to see her grandmother, a Borden, her family came from MA and RI. So I checked around and sure enough, her grandfather's brother, if I recall all this correctly, is the line down to Andrew Borden. So I was curious about insanity going up the line that way.
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Re: Insanity In Borden Line

Postby geistannalise » Wed Nov 08, 2017 3:56 pm

I share a progenitor with Lizzie's father. I am also a therapist and believe Lizzie and other women were "victims" of the times, not that they didn't have decent lives, but that many freedoms we have today were not allowed back in Lizzie's time. Generationally women were raised in their particular society knowing how things are and going to be. I have heavily studied my family genealogy and am only seeing specific mental illnesses in my generation and more specifically our children's generation. I am not so sure current generational issues are hereditary or genetic, but could be environmental as well. I do not do blood testing and such, but it would be interesting if the DNA were present to check for hereditary/genetic abnormalities in the Borden families. I am also wondering due to life being different, how easy was it 50-150 years ago to live around mental illness and look normal to the public and sometimes within the family. IMHO I do not think Lizzie murdered her parents, but she may have known who could have or did do it. I have found nothing in my studies to indicate that Lizzie did the murders. The crimes are malicious, rage filled, and probably done by someone close to the family. Police work was different then and this case was botched from the beginning compared to today's standards.

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