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A complete Borden Beginner here, & far away in England - but may I please ask:

Has a death-certificate or death-record been traced for Eliza Darling Borden? With any clarification as to her demise? And have any records been found to shed light on her daughter Maria Borden/Hinckley? Where Maria would reside subsequently, and in what circumstances?

Many thanks for any kind reply.

To learn about the case I'm currently trying to buy a copy of Parallel Lives, but it seems to have had an inadequate print-run :-)
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Hello InterestedReader, welcome to the forum. I see you just joined today, not quite an hour ago! :grin: I hope you will enjoy the forum.

Let me do some research on Eliza Darling Borden and her daughter, Maria, and then I will get back to you.
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Oh thank-you. How gracious of you.

I do apologize for being only at the beginning of my reading on the case, but this seemed to be somewhat intriguing, and I cannot find the answer online as yet. Maria would be first cousin to Lizzie's father, yes? And I see that she lived in the property adjacent to the murder house - even when married, way into adulthood. As the sole surviving progeny of Andrew's uncle, the salient question to me in my ignorance was - might she have had some malcontent's claim on the Borden fortune...?

Trying to find a copy of Parallel Lives to buy, as I say. So, again, apologies if such information is published therein.

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Welcome Wendy or Interested Reader!

Twins is very good about digging up information. I have a copy of Parallel Lives and it's a great book. I haven't come across the names Eliza Darling Borden and Maria Borden Hinckley. I didn't know Maria was a first cousin to Andrew- that would be something, wouldn't it, if she had a claim to his fortune.
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Believe me, Wendy, we have all been where you are; a beginner! So, there is no need to apologize. You have joined the absolutely best forum available regarding the Borden Murders. This forum is packed with information, provided by several members who have studied these murders for decades. The members here are very good at answering questions, and we’d love to hear your ideas and thoughts. So, please jump in on any thread.

Now to answer your questions regarding Eliza Darling Borden and her daughter Maria Borden/Hinckley. As intriguing as that murder/suicide case is, there isn’t very much information available:

Maria’s father, Lawdwick Borden, was the son of Martha Patty Bowen and Richard Borden. Lawdwick’s brother Abraham Bowen Borden was Andrew Jackson Borden’s father. Lawdwick was Andrew Borden’s uncle, and Lizzie Borden’s great-uncle. So, yes, Maria would have been Andrew J. Borden’s first cousin. Andrew was born on Sep. 13, 1822, and Maria was born on Oct. 22, 1844, which means Andrew would have been 22 years old, when Maria was born. (This makes sense since Maria’s father Lawdwick was born Mar. 14, 1812, and Andrew’s father Abraham was born on Jul. 8, 1798, which means Abraham was 13 years old when Lawdwick was born.)

Yes, Maria and her family lived in the Kelly house, which is next door to the Borden house. I didn’t know that Maria lived in that house alter she married. Interesting. Thank you for this tidbit of information. :grin:

I have not found a death record for Eliza or Maria. As far as know, Eliza Darling Borden committed suicide, after drowning two of her three children, however I have no documented proof for her cause of death. Wendy, are you signed up for Ancestry.com? If Eliza has a death record, I’m sure they would most likely have it. I’m sure they would also have documents on Maria, as well. Unfortunately, I’m not signed up, otherwise I’d go in and see what they had. Here is the link to the page Eliza is listed on; scroll down to the third entry:

http://tinyurl.com/qb56fbf

However, there are several threads here on the forum, which you may find helpful. In the thread titled, The other murders, I submitted a post with four links; the first two links are from the Lizzie Borden : Warps & Wefts blog. The next two links are threads that are in the forum here. I also posted a link to the video titled, Haunted Lizzie Borden B&B, This video is about Lizzie Borden B&B owner Lee-Ann Wilbur, who discusses the haunting of the house with Montel Williams and psychic Sylvia Browne (I will comment on this video in a minute). Here is the link to the thread titled, The other murders:

http://tinyurl.com/pozsrxv

Another thread on the forum here, which you may enjoy is titled, The Kelly House:

http://tinyurl.com/ps2vc2l

Here are my comments regarding the video, titled, Haunted Lizzie Borden B&B. Several people have speculated that the children who ‘haunt’ 92 Second Street, are the two children, who drown, when their mother, Eliza Daring killed them. But, that theory/speculation was debunked in the video. Sylvia Browne named three children who haunt the B&B on 92 Second Street; Irene, Henry and Sally. Lee-Ann Wilbur named two children; James and Sally. The names of the two children who were drown by their mother, are Eliza Ann and Holder.

Reading the Official Documents are a must for anyone interested in the learning the facts of the Borden Murders. Here is the link to the Official Documents for Download: http://tinyurl.com/ndh9u7u

You can get a copy of Parallel Lives: A Social History of Lizzie A. Borden and Her Fall River, at Amazon.com. The following link will take you to a page, which has two books listed as new. Check out the copy listed for $49.95; seller is the Fall River Historical Society!!!:

http://tinyurl.com/pop3bgh

I also highly recommend, Lizzie Borden: Past & Present, by Leonard Rebello, This book is considered to be ‘the bible’ for the Borden Murders. Copies are available through Amazon.com; here is the link:

http://tinyurl.com/oh4kf5h

I hope the above information is helpful. I enjoyed researching it! :grin:
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InterestedReader wrote:… As the sole surviving progeny of Andrew's uncle, the salient question to me in my ignorance was - might she have had some malcontent's claim on the Borden fortune...? …
I assume you are talking about Andrew J. Borden's fortune? If so, I highly doubt it. Even if Maria did have a legal claim to it, I’m sure Emma and Lizzie would have fought her tooth and nail for it.
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MysteryReader wrote:... Twins is very good about digging up information. ...
WOW, Mystery, thank you for the compliment! :grin:
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twinsrwe wrote:
MysteryReader wrote:... Twins is very good about digging up information. ...
WOW, Mystery, thank you for the compliment! :grin:

You're welcome, Twins! It's true... :grin:
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Bless your heart, Mystery. :grin: I appreciate this.
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Dear twinsrwe,
Yes, Maria and her family lived in the Kelly house, which is next door to the Borden house. I didn’t know that Maria lived in that house alter she married. Interesting. Thank you for this tidbit of information.
This is according to a Census return. I read the entry quoted verbatim, so it's bonafide data. Maria is living there with her father - as Maria Hinckley. From memory she's at least 30... but her husband doesn't reside there, he's gone astray somehows! Bear with me & I'll retrieve wherever it was I found this & get back to you with it. Mr Hinckley was invalided out of the Civil War, I recall...

It's strange how Eliza Darling Borden and her children feature only as Ghost Story material at present. Maria seems to have been four when her two younger siblings died, and Maria survives.... to drop off the radar... Apart from that intriguing mention made of her at Lizzie's trial, as to how Maria is now still alive "in this city" and a "mother herself". (Remarks thrown up, I believe, when debating at the trial if there might be congenital Borden insanity and in reference to Eliza's suicide. Scarcely relevant, given Eliza was no antecedent by blood.) So... Maria Borden Hinckley had issue. Also, she'd dropped the name Hinckley, by the time of her death.

She strikes me as meriting investigation, this one. But then, I'm all ignorance at this point.

Yes, Ghost Adventures is shown in the UK too and it's wildly popular. So even here we can get an impression of the brisk ghosthunting business at the locus of the Borden killings :shock: Thrill, as Zak flexes through a 'seance' getting the ghosties all hot under the collar with talk of incest...

One question - is Hinckley a name featuring elsewhere in the Borden research? I noticed (same source) a puzzling, equivocal remark about the name, en passant.

Long past bed-time here but I just wanted to thank you for your wonderful, full response, and I'll be back tomorrow to reply properly.

Amazon dot com, of course! I was searching in Amazon UK, duh!
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Thank you, Interested/Wendy, for letting me know where you found out that Maria was living with her father at the house on second street. You have really sparked my interest here! I find it intriguing that Maria is listed as Maria Hinckley, but her husband doesn’t residue there. I also find it interesting that Samuel Hinckley became an invalid during the Civil War. This information caused me to do some more research, which the results proved to be very mysterious.

I did a search on Maria Borden Hinckley, and attempted to find her on the Find-A-Grave web site, but turned up nothing!!! I then pulled up the Find-A-Grave memorial for Lawdwick Borden ( http://tinyurl.com/pg8yvau ) and Eliza Darling Borden ( http://tinyurl.com/oqq92e9 ). Their children are listed as Maria Borden Chace, Eliza Ann Borden and Holder S. Borden. Maria Borden Hinckley was not listed. Hmmmm. Interesting.

When I brought up Maria Borden Chace ( http://tinyurl.com/lzqqcy6 ), it indicates her parents as Lawdwick and Eliza Darling Borden, but it doesn’t indicate that she was ever married. Yet, it indicates that her children are: Lawdwick B. Chace and Emma Chace Goulding. When these two children are pulled up their parents are listed as John B. Chace and Maria Borden Chace: http://tinyurl.com/p84nlkk and http://tinyurl.com/qfpa7qc.

When I checked out John B. Chace, Maria is not indicated at all, but his two children are. http://tinyurl.com/plgleny

However, I found Maria Hinckley on Geni.com. Samuel B. Hinckley is listed as her husband: http://tinyurl.com/ow6x6to . Samuel B. Hinckley is listed, and Maria is listed as his wife: http://tinyurl.com/q4hnp6k .

I found Samuel on the GraphiQ web site, which states: Samuel B. Hinckley fought in the United States Civil War for the Union Side. He was listed as being from Massachusetts. He was a Captain G in the 58th Massachusetts Infantry. Source: http://tinyurl.com/oksrr5m

So, what happened to Maria Borden Hinckley, and her husband Samuel B. Hinckley? It’s as if these two people disappeared off the face of the earth! :scratch: I think both of these people merit investigation, but where go we go from here?

I find it very sad that Eliza Darling Borden and her children are only remembered as Ghost Story material. Their lives should be remembered for the horrific way in which they died, and the way in which Maria and her father coped with life afterwards.
InterestedReader wrote: ... One question - is Hinckley a name featuring elsewhere in the Borden research? I noticed (same source) a puzzling, equivocal remark about the name, en passant. ...
Good question. I didn’t find it mentioned anywhere else, but then I wasn’t researching that aspect of the Hinckley name. Sorry.

I am really looking forward to seeing that Census report, once you retrieve it.
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InterestedReader wrote:... Dear Twins, Amazon.com won't allow Parallel Lives to be shipped to the UK. If I apply direct to the Falls Historical Society, do you know the name of someone nice and amenable there?

My goodness, the Rebello book starts at £175 on Amazon UK :shock:
I am so sorry to hear that Amazon won't ship Parallel Lives to the UK. I really thought they shipped items everywhere. Maybe it's because Parallel Lives is such a HUGE book. :?:

The Fall River Historical Society’s web site is currently under construction. However, if you’d like to contact the Museum Shop or the curators, please call them at (508) 679-1071. I have not met or spoken to anyone at the FRHS, but the curators are Michael Martins, and Dennis Binette. I’m sure both of these gentleman are very nice, and they would be glad to help you.

At the 4:57 mark on the following video, where a copy of Parallel Lives is shown, Michael and Dennis speak about the Borden murders. This video will give you a face and voice to their names.

http://tinyurl.com/pxaoomx

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Thank-you! I'd read good things elsewhere about Parallel Lives but really, am in no position to judge of its merits... Would you recommend it?

Clearly, the Rebello is the gold standard and where I must begin. I learn that here. Primo, I'm studying the trial transcripts.

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Yes: Maria was a direct cousin of Andrew Borden. Lodowick Borden, Andrew Borden's Uncle, was the brother of Andrew Borden's father, Abraham Borden.

Very little to no history exists to the whereabouts of Maria Borden after the slaughter of her siblings. Of course an extended study would have to be made to search for anything about her, and this would mean foot-work. Searching public records, newspapers and alike. Even then very little probably exists.

Eliza Darling was Lodowick's wife, of course. The Darling name is one of prominence in Fall River, but Hinckley is not. There was a handful of Hinckleys in Fall River in 1892 (perhaps 10 families) but none have made their mark in Fall River history, popular or otherwise.

As for the death of Eliza, one would have to hunt down her death certificate to verify how she died. But according to the papers she cut her own throat. And somewhat like the Lizzie Borden maid, the Lodowick/Eliza maid was outside getting a pail of water when Eliza did the deed.

As for Maria living next door to the Andrew Bordens, there is no history, talk, records, or mention of Andrew, Lizzie, Emma, Abby, etc. having any dealings with their cousin Maria, that I know of.


As I mentioned above, the maid was home when Eliza killed her children. She did it in a cistern. The Lodowick cistern was in the cellar and it was there the Eliza......did the deed.

As for Parallel lives. Though it touches on the murders, the entire tome is largely devoted to Lizzie Borden and her contemporaries. Families and friends who grew up with and around Lizzie and Lizbeth Borden. Much on the Fall River elite. And lots on life during Maplecroft days. Where Lizzie Borden Past and Present is mostly a reference book, Parallel Lives is more of a biographical account.

At least that is my two cents,or should I say, two pence on the matter. (or 3 cents at the present exchange :lol: :lol: :roll: :oops: )
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InterestedReader wrote:Thank-you! I'd read good things elsewhere about Parallel Lives but really, am in no position to judge of its merits... Would you recommend it?

Clearly, the Rebello is the gold standard and where I must begin. I learn that here. Primo, I'm studying the trial transcripts.

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Yes, Wendy, I highly recommend both of these books. I'm glad you are studying the Official Documents, these will give you a better understanding of why Lizzie was acquitted.
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MB, thank you for your input! I was hoping you would post the knowledge you have on this murder/suicide mystery, as well as your thoughts. I agree with you, an extended study would have to be made, and then we may not know any more than we do now. I do have a question: What is the correct spelling the father’s first name? The Find-A-Grave memorial spells his name as Lawdwick Borden, so, that is why I have been using that spelling, but I have seen it spelled several different ways: Lodowick, Ladowick, Lawdwick, Ludwig and Ladwig.

I also appreciate your input on the Lizzie Borden Past and Present and Parallel Lives books.

Very informative post!!! :grin:
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Thanks Twins:


Yes, there are several spellings. Fall River and it's Industries, 1877, the book with the Borden Genealogy in it, gives his name as "Lawdwick.

But extensive research was done by the Michael Martins about the matter and the determination was made that it was spelled, Lodowick. At the time the spelling of his name was taken with extensive research by Michael and the determination was made.

Not sure what is on the grave marker, or if there is a marker.

There are many versions of how the crime happened. Many believe it was in a well in the back yard. But in fact it was a cistern and it was in the basement as was most cisterns in Victorian days. Most collected their water from gutters on the roof. They were used for many occasions, water for washing, cooking, and later, flushing. In many respects, doing the same duty as a well would. Thus the confusion. I'm sure if you do a study in your typing machine you will come up with many examples. My aunt and uncle had one in the Old Country. It was on the roof and was used for bathing. (shower or tub) In many respects a rain barrel under a gutter pipe is a cistern.

But in talking to the authors who wrote Parallel Lives, I would go with their version, and their version claims it happened in the cellar.

One author wrote that poor Eliza lost her mind from having so many children in quick succession. Not true. The little boy, Holder, was 6 months old and his sister Eliza was 3 years old. And as for the first child, the one that survived, there's a good chance that it was not even Eliza Darling Borden's real daughter, but in fact the daughter of Lodowick's first wife, who had the same name, Maria. (Maria Briggs. Lodwick's first wife) (Don't quote me. I would need to research that, but none-the-less, it is an educated guess or an EG. Hey, I just invented an acronym)

As for what you may discover in Lizzie Borden Past and Present, there is no mention of the Borden Children Murders.


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HI everyone!

I'm newly registered to this forum and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I'm so impressed by everyone's knowledge of this timeless and classic crime. It's amazing how much it continues to fascinate and perplex us.

I do genealogy as a hobby and when I came across this post, I thought I'd do a little digging into the Maria Borden/Samuel Hinckley mystery. This is what I found:

Lodwick Borden and Eliza Darling married March 1, 1843 in Fall River. Their daughter, Maria Borden, was born Oct. 22, 1844.

In the 1850 U.S Census for Fall River, Samuel Hinckley, age 18, birthyear 1832, is residing in the household of Sadrick (sp.) Borden, age 38, Eliza Borden, age 36, & Maria Borden, age 5.

In the 1860 U.S. Census for Fall River, Saml. Hinckley, Head of Household, age 28, birthyear 1832, birthplace Maine, is residing with Mary A. Hinckley, birthplace MA, age 22, Eliza B. Hinckley, age 4, Emma A. Hinckley, age 0, Mary B. Riley, age 43, birthplace R.I., & Polidor E. Riley, age 20, birthplace MA.

Samuel Hinckley's first wife was Mary Alice Riley who died May 1862 in Fall River, age (either) 23 or 28, of pleuro pneumonia.

In the 1865 U.S. Census for Fall River, Samuel B. Hinckley, Head of Household, age 32, birthyear 1833, birthplace ME, widowed, is residing with Eliza B. Hinckley, age 9, Emma A. Hinckley, age 7, Samuel J. Hinckley, age 4, Mary B. Riley, age 48, and Poledore E. Riley, age 25.

On October 2, 1866, Samuel B. Hinckley married Maria Borden.
The marrige register reads:

Samuel B. Hinckley, residence Fall River, age 34, occupation painter, place of birth Maine, parents:
Samuel & Sara. It was his second marriage.
Maria Borden, residence Fall River, age 22, place of birth Fall River, parents: Lauewick Borden & Eliza. It was her first marriage.

In the 1870 census, Maria Borden Hinckley is residing in her father's household. Samuel's children are residing with Mary B. Riley. There is no record of Samuel living in Fall River in the 1870 census.

Maria married John B. Chase/Chace on Nov. 27, 1873 in Fall River. His place of residence is given as Somerset, hers as Fall River. According to the marriage register they were both 29 years old. It was his first marriage and her second. His occupation is given as “paper hanger.”

In 1874, a Samuel B. Hinckley, age 42, residence Brockton, MA, birthplace Machias, Maine, occupation: painter, parents: Samuel & Sarah, married Julia Frances Harris, age 38, residence Brockton, MA. It is his third marriage and her second.

In the 1880 census, John and Maria Chace were living in Fall River with daughter, Emma, age 4.

According to the 1880 census, a S.B. Hinckley, age 47, birthplace Maine, birthyear 1833, occupation horticuluralist, is residing in Riverside, CA. His name appears as one of 31 founding charter members of Riverside Post #118 G.A.R. (for Civil War veterans living in Riverside California. The post was organized in 1886).

His name also appears in both the 1900 & 1910 census for Riverside, California. In 1910, Samuel B. Hinckley, age 77, birthplace Maine, living with wife Julia F. Hinckley, birthplace Massachusetts, age 74 and step-daughter Marion H. Harris, age 47.

On Aug. 2, 1898, he applied for his pension as an invalid in California. He was a captain in the Civil War serving with 3 Mass Infantry, company D & 58 Mass Infantry, company G. His widow applied for his pension on Oct. 30, 1918. She lived at least until 1920, where she appears in the census for Pasedena, California with her daughter, Marion.

According to the 1900 census, John & Maria Chace resided at 517 Middle Street with daughter Emma, age 24. John's occupation is listed as “music teacher.” Also recorded is the fact that they had 2 children, with only one still living. A son, Lodwick B. Chace, died as an infant in March, 1875. At the time of his death, the family was living at #4 Green.

Maria (Borden) Chace died June 16, 1909 in Fall River, age 65. Residence was 517 Middle St. Spouse: John B. Chase. Parents: Frederick (sp?) Borden, birthplace Fall River and Elizabeth Hathaway. It's possible that “Hathaway” was Elizabeth Darling Borden's maiden name. Since she was about 32 when she married Ladwick Borden, it seems likely that she had been married before. There is a record of a marriage between Silas Darling and Elizabeth Hathaway on Dec. 1, 1830). Elizabeth Darling & Silas had a son, William Darling, b. 1833, who was living with the family of Issac Borden in Fall River in 1850. He died in Fall River in January 1913. There were two other children: George Washington Darling (d. Jan. 4, 1840) & Silas Darling (d. Nov.1840).

I hope this has been helpful.
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Hello irishlass78, welcome to the forum!

WOW! :shock: You dug up an incredible amount of information, that is indeed very helpful. Thank you posting all of this. I am thrilled that you found so much on Samuel B. Hinckley. I found very little on him.

Samuel B. Hinckley married Maria Borden on October 2, 1866, and by the 1870 census, Maria Borden Hinckley is residing in her father's household. I assume Samuel and Maria divorced, since both of them remarried. Is there any record of these two people divorcing?

Did you find out the date of Samuel's death? I assume he pasted away in October of 1918, since his widow applied for his pension on Oct. 30, 1918.

I must say the information you posted gives us a much broader picture of what happened to Samuel B. Hinckley and Maria Borden Hinckley. Kudos to you! :grin:
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Hi Twins!

Thank you so much for the warm welcome and kind words!

I think we can definitely assume that Samuel and Maria divorced although I don't have access to any divorce records for the period. I believe Samuel probably died in 1918, as that was when his widow applied for his military pension.
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mbhenty wrote:Thanks Twins:


Yes, there are several spellings. Fall River and it's Industries, 1877, the book with the Borden Genealogy in it, gives his name as "Lawdwick.

But extensive research was done by the Michael Martins about the matter and the determination was made that it was spelled, Lodowick. At the time the spelling of his name was taken with extensive research by Michael and the determination was made.

Not sure what is on the grave marker, or if there is a marker.

There are many versions of how the crime happened. Many believe it was in a well in the back yard. But in fact it was a cistern and it was in the basement as was most cisterns in Victorian days. Most collected their water from gutters on the roof. They were used for many occasions, water for washing, cooking, and later, flushing. In many respects, doing the same duty as a well would. Thus the confusion. I'm sure if you do a study in your typing machine you will come up with many examples. My aunt and uncle had one in the Old Country. It was on the roof and was used for bathing. (shower or tub) In many respects a rain barrel under a gutter pipe is a cistern.

But in talking to the authors who wrote Parallel Lives, I would go with their version, and their version claims it happened in the cellar.

One author wrote that poor Eliza lost her mind from having so many children in quick succession. Not true. The little boy, Holder, was 6 months old and his sister Eliza was 3 years old. And as for the first child, the one that survived, there's a good chance that it was not even Eliza Darling Borden's real daughter, but in fact the daughter of Lodowick's first wife, who had the same name, Maria. (Maria Briggs. Lodwick's first wife) (Don't quote me. I would need to research that, but none-the-less, it is an educated guess or an EG. Hey, I just invented an acronym)

As for what you may discover in Lizzie Borden Past and Present, there is no mention of the Borden Children Murders.


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I apologize for responding to your post so late, MB. You’re welcome for the compliment; you deserve it.

I know that Michael Martins doesn’t say or write anything that he has not thoroughly researched, therefore Lodowick it is.

I have read the murders occurred in a well in the back yard, as well as that the children were killed in a cistern that was located in the basement. I put complete faith in Michael and Dennis’ knowledge regarding the location that those kids were murdered in, so if they say it was in the basement cistern, then we know this is the correct version.

Thanks, again, for your input, MB. :grin:
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InterestedReader wrote:... Please could you tell me a smidgin about the trial-witness Mark Chase? Was he acknowledged as a Borden family-member? ...
Hmmmm, he was not related to the Borden family that I know of.
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irishlass78 wrote:Hi Twins!

Thank you so much for the warm welcome and kind words!

I think we can definitely assume that Samuel and Maria divorced although I don't have access to any divorce records for the period. I believe Samuel probably died in 1918, as that was when his widow applied for his military pension.
You're welcome for the kind words and warm welcome. It is so nice when new members post their thoughts, speculations, believes, and knowledge surrounding the Borden family. Your post has answered so many questions, and for that I am grateful.

I think our assumption that Maria and Samuel divorced is correct. I am also sure there is a record of it somewhere; we just haven't come across it yet.

As for the date Samuel died, I'm sure with some more digging we will probably come up with that information as well. I least I hope we do! :grin:
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Hmmm! Very interesting Irishlass78. Genealogies can be fun, but are to much for my head. You know, like, "his brother's uncle's mother's son's father in law." :cry: :sad: :oops: But great job on finding all the information. Interesting to say the least.

Below is the house on middle street where Maria lived when she died, as it looks today. It's in the South end of the city a long block from South Main and overlooking Kennedy Park and the famous Saint Anne's Cathedral in the near distance. The house of interest is the white three family in the center of the photo below, just behind the street light, and which sits on the corner of Middle and Broadway. I also included a photo of the church, since it's a beautiful and impressive building.

No big deal. Just some eye candy. Pictures are always nice. Click on photo to make BIG!

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Yes Twins:

After all, Michael Martin's sole business is the history of Fall River, and specifically the Borden family. The idea that they would get it wrong is just not rational or valid. Also, when Parallel Lives was being written the topic came up between Mr. Martin's and the proof reader and person who wrote the index. She tells me that she questioned Michael about it and concluded that he knew what he was talking about.

In Parallel Lives the account he gives was taken from the Fall River Weekly News, of May 4th, 1848.

I went looking for Lodowick's grave site today but couldn't find it. I know just about where it is, but would need to stop at the office to attain the correct location. I was just interested about how his name was spelled on the marker. But that could mean nothing. After all, they spelled Lizbeth Andrew Borden incorrectly on the family plot marker.
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MB, thank you for posting the photo of the house Maria lived when she died, it is a nice looking house, and it gives us a visual tool which helps us better understand and appreciate where Maria spent her last days! I'm glad you posted the photo of the church, it is very majestic looking; beautiful. Which church is that?
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MB, thank you for posting those photos...those are awesome!

Twins, I located Samuel Hinckley's grave in RIverside.. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... id=7251199.

Question please? Are there any existing contemporary accounts of the Eliza Darling Borden murder/suicide? Are there any existing books or newspaper articles that reference it? It appears to me that such an incident would be widely reported, considering how tragic and shocking it was. I was unable to locate a death record for either Eliza or her children. I was also unable to locate birth records for any of the children with the exception of Maria Borden, which is rather odd.

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Yes Irishlass78:

No formal study that I know of exists about the Borden Children's drowning and Mrs. Borden's suicide, other than what is found in newspapers of the day. And one must keep in mind that as reliable as newspapers can be, they are notoriously reckless at times, getting stories wrong. Even today.

There is mention here-and-there about the Borden children, in a handful of publications, some books, but no formal study or close examination into the particulars that unfolded on that May day.

One must understand that tragedy such as this were not talked about in those days. They were shameful accounts, disgraceful and deplorable talk—best unsaid. To announce them in public was to legitimate them, and probably brand one as a gossip or tattler. I remember as a child that if you went to the library to read about the Lizzie Borden crime you had to ask for the book. It was behind the counter in the stacks. Like in the old days when corner stores kept the Playboy magazines under the counter behind the register.

One exception on interest was the Sarah Cornell death, which I find just as interesting as the Borden murders, and to me more intriguing. There were books written about it in its day.....and still today. It is well recorded. The Sarah Cornell death has all the hallmarks of fiction—a promiscuous young gal, a murder 5 days before Christmas, a pastor accused, his trial, etc. All happened in Fall River in 1832 before Borden murders and the Borden children killing/suicide. Poor, poor Sarah!

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Yes Twins:

Fall River, like any New England mill town, has/had countless ethnic churches. The two most famous, largest, and most beautiful were two French parishes. Saint Anne's and Notre Dame de Lourdes. Notre Dame burnt to the ground in 1982, but Saint Anne's is still around. A little tidbit about their construction, Notre Dame was built of Fall River Granite, while St Anne's was constructed out of Vermont marble.

Now to touch on Irishlass78's hobby, genealogy, I will add that Saint Anne was the Mother of the Mother of Jesus. Got it? That is who the Church is named for.

Below are the two churches. The one with the copper clad was Notre Dame. Being a young man, I witnessed the fire from a block away. Took pictures. It happened in the neighborhood where I grew up as a little boy. I will never forget it, standing there watching the flames, and surprised, astonished, if not somewhat perplexed, by the tears that swelled up in my eyes. It was like watching a loved-one die. Along with the church a good portion of the near-by neighborhood, 3-story apartment houses and businesses were destroyed—almost an entire city block.


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MB..thank you so much for the prompt response. That makes sense, considering the time in which the crime took place.

Definitely going to look into the Sarah Cornell case. Sounds fascinating!

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Yes Irishlass78: You are very welcome.

I think you would like reading about Sarah Cornell. Sarah was found hung by a stack pole. Some think it was suicide, except for the note she left which said that if anything happened to her to look into the Reverend Avery. He was eventually charged with murder and tried, but found innocent. Sarah was very promiscuous. But she is a sympathetic character, expressing a need to be loved. But many rejected her. From everything I have read, Sarah may indeed have been a 'bad girl.' Gud knows I have known some of those in my day. (just kidding :smile: :roll: :oops: :oops: )

But the trial was sensational for it's day. At the time Fall River went by the name Troy. A year after the trial of the Reverend Avery and almost 2 years after the death of Sarah Cornell, Troy was changed back to Fall River. Some have speculated that it changed it's name from Troy to Fall River just so it would not be associated with the Cornell death. But this of course is just speculation, at least I think it was. But in it's day the crime was just as spectacular as the Borden killings. But very little of the population around Fall River are familiar with Sarah Cornell, or even the Bertha Manchester axe killing, chopped up on her farm while the Borden trial was going on in New Bedford. Poor Bertha receives very little investigation and scrutiny when compared to the Borden trial.

The latest book written about the Cornell death was written recently by Rory Raven, and called, Wicked Conduct, The minister, The mill girl and the murder which captivated old Rhode Island.

Below are a couple of broadsides which were popular in the 1830s and which speculated on the supposed crime. Included is the grave of poor Sarah, at the same cemetery where the Borden's are buried.
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irishlass78 wrote:... Twins, I located Samuel Hinckley's grave in RIverside.. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... id=7251199. ...
Thank you, Irishlass78! It's no wonder I couldn't find him; I was looking under Samuel B. Hinckley, instead of Capt Samuel B. Hinckley. Jeeez! :oops: I'm glad you found him. :grin:
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MB, thank you for the information regarding the Saint Anne's and Notre Dame de Lourdes churches. I can relate to how you felt watching Notre Dame de Lourdes burn to the ground. It’s heart breaking to watch a church burn. Thank you for posting the photos of the fire. Did the fire start via arson or some other means?

I photos you posted of the Saint Anne's church, are breathtakingly beautiful.
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mbhenty wrote:Yes Twins:

After all, Michael Martin's sole business is the history of Fall River, and specifically the Borden family. The idea that they would get it wrong is just not rational or valid. Also, when Parallel Lives was being written the topic came up between Mr. Martin's and the proof reader and person who wrote the index. She tells me that she questioned Michael about it and concluded that he knew what he was talking about.

In Parallel Lives the account he gives was taken from the Fall River Weekly News, of May 4th, 1848.

I went looking for Lodowick's grave site today but couldn't find it. I know just about where it is, but would need to stop at the office to attain the correct location. I was just interested about how his name was spelled on the marker. But that could mean nothing. After all, they spelled Lizbeth Andrew Borden incorrectly on the family plot marker.
Sorry for the late response to your post, MB.

Thank you for the additional information regarding how Michael knows the correct spelling of Lodowick’s first name. Michael Martins has been the curator of the Fall River Historical Society for as long as I can remember. How long has Michael been the Curator, and Dennis the Assistant Curator for the FRHS?

Bless your heart for going to the Oak Grove Cemetery to look for Lodowick’s grave site. There is a photo of his grave stone on the Find-A-Grave Web site. Although, his first name is very hard to read. Click on image to enlarge:
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Thanks Twins:


I got into a bit of discussion with the girl who proof read Parallel Lives, asking her how they could be so sure of Lodowick's name. I questioned how Michael arrived at Lodowick's instead of Cawdwick or any other spelling. She assured me that the spelling in Parallel Lives was correct.

Now, I am One that always questions authority, going as far as questioning myself, over and over. So, not totally believing the Proof Reader, or in that matter, Michael Martins, I set off to Oak Grove to look for his grave marker. (Understand, I can place faith in a person despite not totally believing what he or she has to say, especially if I don't have my own conclusion)

Now, I am not saying that Michael Martins is wrong. After all, I have not spoken to him. But I would imagine that the chances of getting the spelling of someone's name "completely" wrong, on a grave marker, would be reckless indeed.

And looking at the one you displayed in your post above, it looks like it's spelled as 'Lawdwick"

Thus, I will make it a point to question Michael on the matter an discover the truth the next time I see him.


Jeeesh, all this for something so insignificant.....an obscure individual's spelling of his name. But fun none-the-less.
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Yes Twins:

Michael Martins must have been curator of FRHS for over 20 years.

I remember I did some work in the historic society building, on the third floor. They were constructing and renovating up there and I did some wiring. I remember Mrs. Florence Brigham who was curator at the time showing me around and Michael following us. I think she was training him at the time. I remember him looking very, very young. But then again, he is much older than he looks. Even today he has a young man's appearance. (Perhaps I will call him Michael Dorian Grey Martins)

So he has been around a while now.

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MB, I also think the name on the grave stone marker I posted is spelled, 'Lawdwick', but it is hard to read. As we know, the names on grave stones can be misspelled, like Lizbeth's middle name on the Borden grave stone, but if we are right about the spelling on the grave marker shown, and Michael Martins spelling is indeed correct, then someone screwed up pretty bad. :evil:

What I wouldn't give to see the actual grave marker for myself, and see if it is actually spelled, 'Lawdwick'. I happen to be in agreement with you about placing faith in a person despite not totally believing what he or she has to say, especially if I don't have my own conclusion.

I'd be interested in knowing what Michael Martins has to say about the spelling he believes is the correct one, that is if you are comfortable in sharing the information you obtain from him, once you see him again.

Hmmm, take a look at the spellings of his name in this web site: http://tinyurl.com/ouxthrq Looks like we are all correct! I wonder if he had so many aliases to avoid being questioned about his second wife murdering two of his children and then committing suicide, and/or to protect his remaining daughter from being questioned about how she escaped, how much she saw of her siblings being killed and her mother slitting her throat, etc.
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I think this is fun, too!!! :grin:

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I knew Michael Martins has been the curator of FRHS for a long time, but I didn't realize it's been 20 years. I don't have any idea how old he is, but from the documentaries I've seen, he does appear to be ageless. The last documentary I have seen with Michael Martins in it was:

The forensicweek.com Show - Episode 017 [Lizzie Borden - Nothing but the Truth], which aired on Mar 28, 2013. Special guest experts are Dr. Stefani Koorey, Editor and Publisher of the "The Hatchet: A Journal of Lizzie Borden & Victorian America; Michael Martins, Curator of the Fall River Historical Society, and Dennis Binette, Assistant curator, both co-authors of the book, "Parallel Lives: A Social History of Lizzie A. Borden and Her Fall River."

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Irishlass78, in addition to the Sarah Cornell murder, you may also be interested in studying the murder of Rebecca Cornell.

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... After the death of Thomas Cornell Sr., Rebecca Briggs Cornell, his 73-year-old widow, became the legal owner of the Cornell family’s 100-acre piece of Narragansett Bay. Their oldest son, Thomas Jr. and his wife and 6 children lived with her, along with one lodger and one servant. There was a rumor around town that Thomas Jr. was resentful of his mother because at 46, he was still dependent upon her. It was no secret that Rebecca disliked her oldest son and gave generous gifts from her husband’s estate to her other children, but not to Thomas Jr. She often made derogatory remarks about him to others. Rebecca died on February 8, 1673. She had refused to join the family for dinner because she didn’t like what was served. After the meal was over, her grandson went to check on her and found her charred body lying by the fireplace.

Her death was originally ruled an accident. It was believed that she had accidentally got too close to the fireplace and her clothes caught fire. It was actually a common accident of the time period. This is where things get strange. Two nights later, Rebecca’s younger brother John Briggs reported having a “spiritual visitation” from his sister who inferred that someone had murdered her. The other residents took his account extremely serious. Rebecca’s body was exhumed and examined. A wound was found on her upper abdomen, authorities decided that someone had stabbed her with an iron spindle from a spinning wheel and then burned her to hide the crime. No murder weapon was ever found. Thomas quickly became the prime suspect due to the animosity between them. Thomas Cornell Jr. was accused, tried, convicted, and executed by hanging for the alleged murder of his mother, Rebecca Briggs Cornell in Portsmouth, Rhode Island in 1673.

He was convicted due to purely circumstantial evidence, mostly consisting of hearsay about the mother and son relationship as well as crass remarks that were allegedly made by Thomas and his wife Sarah. Some people said that Thomas joked that his mother “always liked a good fire.” And that Sarah was happy her mother-in-law was gone. In addition, what is called “spectral evidence” was introduced at trial. This is where witnesses recount their prophetic dreams involving ghosts who reveal the guilty party. American jurisprudence eventually excluded the use of apparitions and dreams as evidence.

Thomas was hung before a crowd of 1,000 people. Did Thomas Cornell murder his mother? Well, curmudgeonly Rebecca Briggs Cornell certainly had her fair share of enemies. In fact, a year after Thomas was executed; the servant to the family was tried as an accomplice and acquitted. In 1675, one of Rebecca’s other sons, William, attempted to make the case that Sarah, Thomas’ widow, was the murderer. Taking all of the evidence, or lack thereof, into account, the death was most likely an accident that spiraled into a witch-hunt spurred on by the prevailing power of superstition at the time. Thomas was an innocent man.

Interestingly, Sarah was pregnant at the time of Thomas’ execution with their youngest child she named her: Innocent.
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Rebecca Cornell, widow of Thomas Cornell Sr., resided in the family homestead with her son Thomas Cornell Jr. and his family which includes his wife, two daughters and four sons from a prior marriage, a lodger, and a Narragansett Indian named Wickopash who was a servant.

On Feb 8 1673 Rebecca Cornell claimed she wasn't feeling quite right and chose not to have dinner with the family. She retired early to one of the 1st floor bedrooms, to this day the exact room is unclear. A while later Thomas went to check on his mother and found her dead on the floor. It appears she had tripped and fell into the fireplace, thus being burned and was recognizable only by her shoes.

Approximately two days later, Rebecca's brother, John Briggs who was residing in Newport RI claimed he had a spiritual visitation from his sister as he slept. “See how I was burned with fire,” she said. He inferred that someone had intentionally burned her. Her brother went to authorities with his claim; her remains were then exhumed from the Cornell Cemetery, located on the property for an autopsy.

Thomas was then arrested and charged with Rebecca's murder. There was no evidence presented that Thomas had caused Rebecca's death in anyway. The only testimony provided was that of John Briggs dream. Thomas was convicted and sentenced to death, he was hung in On May 23 1673 at Miantonomi Hill in Newport RI. It's important to note that Thomas' wife was pregnant at this point. She later gave birth to a daughter named Innocent Cornell as a testimony of her husbands innocence.

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The following is taken from FREEDOM ROAD By Ric Murphy:

Rebecca’s brother, John Briggs, the same John Briggs who was a close friend and confidant of Anne Hutchinson, testified that his nephew and Rebecca’s second eldest son, Thomas Jr., murdered his mother, presumably to inherit her land and possessions. The elderly, religious Briggs astounded the community by testifying that he had a vision from his sister upon her death, in which she told him that her son Thomas Jr. had killed her.

Based on this testimony, and the fact that Thomas Jr. was the last one known to see his mother, Thomas Jr. was tried, convicted, and quickly executed for the alleged crime, his lifeless body hung in public display. Because of the overwhelming controversy caused by his trial, immediately after his execution, another jury was formed to retry Thomas. Based on all of the evidence presented, the second jury found Thomas Cornell not guilty of his mother’s death, and he was posthumously acquitted.

The circumstances surrounding Rebecca’s death, her son’s insistence of his innocence, and the Uncle’s testimony at the first trial compared to the quick acquittal at the second trail created tremendous friction and guilt within the Cornell family. During the first grueling trial, Thomas Jr.’s wife Sarah was pregnant. When their daughter was born, Sarah named her Innocent, reflecting her belief in her husband’s own innocence. Even though Thomas Jr. was acquitted after his death, the expanded Cornell family was devastated and humiliated by the publicity of this very public trial, execution and second trial.

The entire Thomas Cornell Jr. trial, for many family members, was publicly embarrassing, intrusive and demoralizing. The trial pitted family members against one another, and against their uncle John Briggs and his supporters, who reportedly was sent a message from his deceased sister, Rebecca. Some family members attempted to avoid the negative publicity and innuendos and altered the spelling of their family name to distance themselves from the trial and the surrounding public ridicule. Family members also geographically distanced themselves from the turmoil of the trial by moving from Portsmouth, Rhode Island. Many of the family members left Rhode Island and New York, moving westward in search of their personal fortunes.


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Innocent Cornell, daughter of Thomas Cornell Jr. Sarah (Earle) Cornell, later married Richard Borden of Fall River Mass. Innocent Cornell was Lizzie Borden's great, great, great, great grandmother. :thumleft:
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There are several thread here on the forum regarding the murder of Rebecca Cornell. Below are 3 of the most informative ones:

A new family member
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5506&p=89958

Sarah Cornell is a relative through Thomas Cornell Jr.
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Poll - How interesting is the genealogy in the Borden case?
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Twins..thank you so much for the information on the Rebecca Cornell case. Lots of fascinating reading!
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You're welcome, Irishlass.
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InterestedReader wrote:… As the sole surviving progeny of Andrew's uncle, the salient question to me in my ignorance was - might she have had some malcontent's claim on the Borden fortune...? …
I assume you are talking about Andrew J. Borden's fortune? If so, I highly doubt it. Even if Maria did have a legal claim to it, I’m sure Emma and Lizzie would have fought her tooth and nail for it.
Interested, while doing some research, I came across some interesting information, which I think is a better answer to your question.

The following is taken from the book titled, Lizzie Didn't Do It: Emma Did! By Elizabeth Elaine Watson. Page 53:

… Immediately following the murders of Mr. and Mrs. Borden, Emma applied legally for her father’s fortune. The law at that time said this had to be public knowledge and so for three weeks, Emma’s application was published in the Fall River News.

No one else ever came forward to claim any of the money. So in less than a month after the murders, Emma had complete possession of Andrew Borden’s entire estate, worth nearly a half million dollars. ...


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If it is true that the law in 1892 stated it had to be public knowledge for three weeks, and the Fall River News did indeed publish Emma’s application, then Maria had 'ample time' to make a claim to Andrew Borden’s fortune. So, apparently she did not feel, in any way, that she was entitled to any of Andrew's money.
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I have always felt sorry for Lododwick Borden. I find it incredibly sad that within a 15 year time span, :sad: Lodowick had married twice, had five children, and all but one daughter died by the time he was 36 years old. His first and second marriages lasted for 5 years each. Two of his children died within the first year of their lives, and the third died when he was 1 year old.

Lodowick Borden, (b. March 14, 1812 – d. Oct. 6, 1874)

He married Maria Briggs on Sept. 8, 1833. (Maria Briggs Borden b. 1811 - d. 1838)
Children of Ladowick and Maria (Briggs) Borden: Maria Borden (b. 1834 - d. 1834), and Matthew Borden (b. 1836 - d. 1836)

He married his 2nd wife Eliza Darling on Jan. 28, 1843. (Eliza Darling Borden b. 1811 - d. 1848)
Children of Lodowick and Eliza (Darling) Borden: Maria Borden (b. 1844 - d. 1909), Eliza Ann Borden (b. 1846 - d. 1848), and Holder S. Borden (b. 1847 - d. 1848).

He married his 3rd wife Eliza Chace on Feb. 28, 1849. (Eliza Chace Borden b. 1813 - d. 1864) They were married for 15 years.

He married his 4th wife Ruhama Crocker on Oct. 19, 1864. (Ruhama Crocker Borden b. 1814 - d. June 18, 1879) They were married for 14 years and 4 months.
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Dear Irish Lass -

Unlike yourself I've never done any genealogy ever let alone for foreign parts so I'm floundering about - & even so stumbling into some interesting things, I think. But I'm having the devil's own job finding John B Chase on a Census before he marries so, may I ask, odd question though it might sound, is there any chance he acquired her nom de famille? I.e. was Bordenised? He seems to get styled John Borden Chace but I just can't spot him.

T'other thing - I suppose you tried using the Hathaway name to find Eliza Darling Borden's death-certificate?

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Maria married John B. Chase/Chace on Nov. 27, 1873 in Fall River. His place of residence is given as Somerset, hers as Fall River...

It's possible that “Hathaway” was Elizabeth Darling Borden's maiden name. Since she was about 32 when she married Ladwick Borden, it seems likely that she had been married before. There is a record of a marriage between Silas Darling and Elizabeth Hathaway on Dec. 1, 1830)....
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Hi Wendy:

Forgive my delay in responding to your post, but I'm just now playing catch-up because of the holiday.

I located John B. Chase (sp) in the 1870 U.S. census residing in Somerset, Bristol County, Massachusetts. His occupation is given as "house papier." This is the household listing:

Edward B Chase M 55 Massachusetts
Mary A Chase F 56 Massachusetts
Edward P Chase M 33 Massachusetts
John B Chase M 26 Massachusetts
Philip R Chase M 17 Massachusetts
James L Chase M 3 Massachusetts
Orrin L Caswell M 25 Massachusetts
Mary M Caswell F 19 Massachusetts

I did search for Eliza Borden under "Hathaway" and had no luck.

Hope this was helpful.
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twinsrwe wrote:
Lododwick Borden [...] married his 3rd wife Eliza Chace on Feb. 28, 1849.
Another website gives the date for this third marriage as
'February 29 1856'
http://lizziebordenwarpsandwefts.com/th ... ck-borden/

This can't be right, surely. Why so definite a date, do you suppose? Where do you think it comes from? As you can see, that website gives no sources.

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Hi Wendy:

Twins is correct. Lodwick and Eliza were married on Feb. 28, 1849. Here's a link to the record:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N4W5-TBP
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