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LABVM&L stands for our website Lizzie Andrew Borden Virtual Museum & Library.
I was looking at older parts of site and saw the Paranormal section. There was a box to click on to see Lee-Ann talking about the B&B (on Montel).
(See attachment…I didn’t check the other links to see if they were still “live”)
Montel and Sylvia are kind of a disappointment but it was sooooo good to see Lee-Ann again!
And she was circumspect and respectful when it came to Sylvia’s attempted magic tricks - such a good lady- I miss her.
https://lizzieandrewborden.com/Paranormal.htm
I was looking at older parts of site and saw the Paranormal section. There was a box to click on to see Lee-Ann talking about the B&B (on Montel).
(See attachment…I didn’t check the other links to see if they were still “live”)
Montel and Sylvia are kind of a disappointment but it was sooooo good to see Lee-Ann again!
And she was circumspect and respectful when it came to Sylvia’s attempted magic tricks - such a good lady- I miss her.
https://lizzieandrewborden.com/Paranormal.htm
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BTW Sylvia threw out the name “Sally” as a haunter, but the Sally I heard about was Sally McGinn.
Maybe, if Sylvia is *reading* something, it’s previous tenants, owners who lived there, not Bordens at all!
She says Lizzie was “crazy.” I will never know why Montel put up with her.
Ah, but Lee-Ann has such dignity…did not argue at all.
Maybe, if Sylvia is *reading* something, it’s previous tenants, owners who lived there, not Bordens at all!
She says Lizzie was “crazy.” I will never know why Montel put up with her.
Ah, but Lee-Ann has such dignity…did not argue at all.
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There had been different articles published in 1893 newspapers attempting to read Lizzie's character through Astrology, some seemingly more meaningful than others.
Here is one Harry typed (thank goodness, because I had seen it in my computer several times as the actual news item, which would have been very hard to read!)
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The Boston Globe, Tuesday, February 7, 1893 – 2
AS READ IN THE HEAVENS.
Astrologer Henry of Lynn Makes an
Interesting Astrological “Cast” of the
Life of Lizzie Borden.
Some days ago Prof. Henry of Lynn, and astro-philomath, wrote to THE GLOBE asking for the date of Miss Lizzie Borden’s birth, and saying that the horoscope cast by a New York astrologer seemed to him inaccurate in some particulars.
Miss Borden was born July 19, 1860, and this fact was furnished to the professor. He greatly regretted that the hour of the birth was not given, and said that the want of this would make impossible a horoscope which he would be willing to cast for public perusal.
He was, however, willing to furnish a “cast” which, though founded on only the date of birth, gives many details of interest.
“If I could have the hour of the birth I could cast a horoscope which would absolutely describe her life, for astrology is certainly a truth.”
The professor got out a big pad of paper and taking an astronomical table giving the position of the planets on the day of Miss Bordens birth, started his “cast.”
“She is extremely sensitive to the condition of other people’s minds,” he said, “so much so that it affects her own affectional nature. She is somewhat unreliable and subject to extremes.
“Her love nature is very active. She has a fondness for home and family; is rather anxious about money getting or laying up for the future. She is naturally industrious, economical, and under certain surrounding conditions might easily become miserly.
“Yet she is of a kind, loving, sympathetic nature, and somewhat devoted to things of a domestic order.
“By reason of sensitiveness to other people’s physical or mental condition she sometimes appears eccentric.
“Good education is very essential to her welfare, especially concerning the care of her health.
“She has some inclination to a literary turn of mind, is very persistent, finds it hard to work under others because of a great desire to lead, and is self-reliant and of very strong will.
“She is somewhat inclined to be talkative and intellectually brilliant.
“By reason of her pschyological nature obnoxious persons who persist in forcing themselves upon her would absorb, feed upon and deplete her vitality.”
Then the professor, again referring to an astrological table of July 19, 1860, cast a figure showing the relation of the sun and moon to the planets on that day. The six symbols, three for the sun and two for the moon, and one for Venus, were interpreted as follows:
“The sun in Cancer, and in conjunction with Venus at the time of the birth, gives her a fondness for the society of persons whom she could hardly cultivate, they being below her in social station. It also gives her a fondness for singing and music and a liveliness in society matters.
“The sun in semi-square to the planet Uranus denotes success, followed by the most crashing misfortune; popularity and unpopularity, and a life full of strange vicissitudes. In the case of a female it is very bad.
“The sun but three degrees from an exact opposition to Mars on the day of the birth makes her bold, intrepid, rash and firm, headstrong, determined, quick in anger, yet generous. The sun being in a watery sign gives a natural inclination to great excesses, liability to feverish complaints and a sudden and violent death. The individual is fairly strong and healthy. This sign acts very unfavorably to a female, denoting an unhappy marriage.”
At this point the professor digressed to say that in astrology a marriage does not necessarily imply the possession of a marriage certificate.
Returning to his signs and symbols and taking up the moon, Prof. Henry continued:
“The moon being in conjunction with the planet Jupiter, gives us one of the best aspects for success and prosperity in life, and the acquisition of wealth, modified, of course, by the evil aspects we have already seen.
“The moon sextile with the planet Uranus gives an unsettled and restless nature.
“Venus in semi-square with the planet Uranus gives trouble and jealousy in courtship and marriage, ill success with the opposite sex.”
The professor was not sure that the moon and Venus aspects were correct, the hour of the birth being wanting, but he said that the sun aspects would not be changed by a knowledge of that hour, and he was inclined to think that the moon and Venus aspects would not be greatly changed.
Prof. Henry is a thin, nervous man, who has implicit confidence in his profession of reading planets, and his room is crowded full of charts and books and tables, all showing that births at a given time indicate certain things.
Here is one Harry typed (thank goodness, because I had seen it in my computer several times as the actual news item, which would have been very hard to read!)
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The Boston Globe, Tuesday, February 7, 1893 – 2
AS READ IN THE HEAVENS.
Astrologer Henry of Lynn Makes an
Interesting Astrological “Cast” of the
Life of Lizzie Borden.
Some days ago Prof. Henry of Lynn, and astro-philomath, wrote to THE GLOBE asking for the date of Miss Lizzie Borden’s birth, and saying that the horoscope cast by a New York astrologer seemed to him inaccurate in some particulars.
Miss Borden was born July 19, 1860, and this fact was furnished to the professor. He greatly regretted that the hour of the birth was not given, and said that the want of this would make impossible a horoscope which he would be willing to cast for public perusal.
He was, however, willing to furnish a “cast” which, though founded on only the date of birth, gives many details of interest.
“If I could have the hour of the birth I could cast a horoscope which would absolutely describe her life, for astrology is certainly a truth.”
The professor got out a big pad of paper and taking an astronomical table giving the position of the planets on the day of Miss Bordens birth, started his “cast.”
“She is extremely sensitive to the condition of other people’s minds,” he said, “so much so that it affects her own affectional nature. She is somewhat unreliable and subject to extremes.
“Her love nature is very active. She has a fondness for home and family; is rather anxious about money getting or laying up for the future. She is naturally industrious, economical, and under certain surrounding conditions might easily become miserly.
“Yet she is of a kind, loving, sympathetic nature, and somewhat devoted to things of a domestic order.
“By reason of sensitiveness to other people’s physical or mental condition she sometimes appears eccentric.
“Good education is very essential to her welfare, especially concerning the care of her health.
“She has some inclination to a literary turn of mind, is very persistent, finds it hard to work under others because of a great desire to lead, and is self-reliant and of very strong will.
“She is somewhat inclined to be talkative and intellectually brilliant.
“By reason of her pschyological nature obnoxious persons who persist in forcing themselves upon her would absorb, feed upon and deplete her vitality.”
Then the professor, again referring to an astrological table of July 19, 1860, cast a figure showing the relation of the sun and moon to the planets on that day. The six symbols, three for the sun and two for the moon, and one for Venus, were interpreted as follows:
“The sun in Cancer, and in conjunction with Venus at the time of the birth, gives her a fondness for the society of persons whom she could hardly cultivate, they being below her in social station. It also gives her a fondness for singing and music and a liveliness in society matters.
“The sun in semi-square to the planet Uranus denotes success, followed by the most crashing misfortune; popularity and unpopularity, and a life full of strange vicissitudes. In the case of a female it is very bad.
“The sun but three degrees from an exact opposition to Mars on the day of the birth makes her bold, intrepid, rash and firm, headstrong, determined, quick in anger, yet generous. The sun being in a watery sign gives a natural inclination to great excesses, liability to feverish complaints and a sudden and violent death. The individual is fairly strong and healthy. This sign acts very unfavorably to a female, denoting an unhappy marriage.”
At this point the professor digressed to say that in astrology a marriage does not necessarily imply the possession of a marriage certificate.
Returning to his signs and symbols and taking up the moon, Prof. Henry continued:
“The moon being in conjunction with the planet Jupiter, gives us one of the best aspects for success and prosperity in life, and the acquisition of wealth, modified, of course, by the evil aspects we have already seen.
“The moon sextile with the planet Uranus gives an unsettled and restless nature.
“Venus in semi-square with the planet Uranus gives trouble and jealousy in courtship and marriage, ill success with the opposite sex.”
The professor was not sure that the moon and Venus aspects were correct, the hour of the birth being wanting, but he said that the sun aspects would not be changed by a knowledge of that hour, and he was inclined to think that the moon and Venus aspects would not be greatly changed.
Prof. Henry is a thin, nervous man, who has implicit confidence in his profession of reading planets, and his room is crowded full of charts and books and tables, all showing that births at a given time indicate certain things.
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“BORDEN PSYCHIC FILE”
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The Commonwealth of Massachusetts VS. Lizzie A. Borden, The Knowlton Papers 1892- 1893, Fall
The Knowlton Papers, The Commonwealth of Massachusetts vs. Lizzie A. Borden, 1892- 1893, Fall River Historical Society, 1994, pg. 339- 345, typewritten transcript, #HK329:
O U I J A
Q. What about the Borden case?
A. Axe – Turkey red – vest – suds – stairs.
Q. Was it her father’s vest?
A. His vest
Q. What about Turkey red?
A. Paint
Q. What dress did she wear?
A. No dress
Q. Didn’t she wear anything?
A. Yes, trousers.
Q. Who wore them?
A. She
Q. Bridget?
A. No; Lizzie
Q. What did she do with the things?
A. Bury
Q. Where?
A. Yard –
Q. What part of the yard?
A. Cellar – furnace – underneath earth
Q. Are they buried there?
A. Yes.
Q. All?
A. No; some burned
Q. Where did she burn them?
A. Kitchen – wet clothes – trousers bury
Q. Did she kill both her father and mother?
A. Undoubtedly
Q. Did she bury the axe?
A. No – burn handle
Q. What did she do with the rest of it?
A. Box
Q. You mean she put it in a box?
A. Yes
Q. Will they be found?
A. No – too sharp
Q. Who hid them?
A. J. Morse hid things under the earth
Q. Does Dr. Bowen know anything about it?
A. All
Q. Did Lizzie tell him?
A. In her chamber let it out
Q. When did Morse bury things?
A. Thursday – 8 P.M.
Q. Did Morse spend Thursday night there?
A. Went out to hotel at 9 P.M.
Q. What about note to Mrs. Borden?
A. No none
Q. Lizzie made it up?
A. All
Q. Was Mrs. Reagan’s story true?
A. Yes
Q. Will she be found guilty?
A. Never
Q. Will Emma’s testimony save her?
A. Lies
Q. Were the hat and trousers buried in yard with Mr. and Mrs. Borden’s clothes?
A. No
Q. Are the things still buried in the cellar?
A. Still
Q. Could we find them?
A. Yes
Q. Any trace?
A. Puddle
Q. Where?
A. Cellar
Q. Puddle of what?
A. Mud
Q. Where?
A. Cellar
Q. What part?
A. Furnace
Q. What about Morse and vest?
A. Stairs – J.M. knows
Q. What about Prussic acid?
A. First intent
Q. What about furs?
A. No furs
Q. Didn’t Morse help?
A. Innocent
Q. Any one help?
A. No accomplice
Q. Why did she do it?
A. 200 M
Q. Do you mean money?
A. Money
Q. Will the verdict be ‘Not Guilty’?
A. Perhaps
Q. Will the jury disagree?
A. Who knows?
Q. __________?
A. J.Morse – vest
Q. What about Morse’s vest?
A. Stairs – note
Q. What about note?
A. Investment
Q. What about investment?
A. Mother
Q. Investment for Mrs. Borden?
A. Talked over
Q. What became of it?
A. Murder
Q. Did Lizzie find the investment in her father’s pocket?
A. Heard.
Q. Has Morse got it now?
A. No
Q. Has Lizzie?
A. No
Q. Was it burned?
A. No
Q. Was it buried?
A. No
Q. Where is it?
A. Led to murder
Q. Is it now in vest?
A. No note – darn!
Q. What became of vest?
A. Investment
Q. And Morse knows of it?
A. Yes – talked over night before with Mr. and Mrs. Borden.
Q. Lizzie heard it?
A. Night
Q. Where was she?
A. Dining-room
Q. Hidden in the dining-room?
A. Accident
Q. You mean she heard by accident?
A. Yes
Q. She said nothing to Morse?
A. No
Q. What investment?
A. Mills
Q. What mills?
A. Real Estate
Q. Did Lizzie have a cat?
A.. Yes – yellow cat – departed – violent
Q. Who killed it?
A. She – axe
Q. Whose lap did it jump into?
A. Jim Wilder – July 7 – 90. *
Q. Where did he live?
A. No. 2 Second street, Fall River
Q. Whom did he tell it to?
A. Susy Wilder – she told it to Tish Thomas – manicure – at Rosalie Butler’s – Tremont street.
Q. What hotel?
A. Fall River House
Q. What time did Lizzie murder her mother?
A. 9:30
Q. What did she do afterwards?
A. Worked
Q. What time did she murder her father?
A. 10:45
Q. What did she do afterwards?
A. Put trousers that she wore in tub in cellar sink
Q. Why weren’t they found?
A. Stupid
Q. What did she do after putting the trousers in the cellar sink?
A. Then dressed and called
Q. What about barn?
A. No barn
Q. What else did she wear besides trousers?
A. Hat
Q. What color hat?
A. Dark
Q. Any gloves?
A. No gloves
Q. Anything on chest and waist?
A. Nothing but trousers and hat
Q. What about paint?
A. Turkey red – smooch on dress burnt – from mop-board in kitchen – May, 1892.
Q. Will she be convicted?
A. Perhaps by Russell – and Bridget at door
Q. Who took trousers from tub in cellar?
A. Morse took trousers from tub night of murder
Q. When did Lizzie burn the handle of the hatchet?
A. Immediately – then put ashes on hatchet
Q. What about suds?
A. Vermicelli – suds – soup-tureen – Wednesday dinner
Q. Why did she put suds in the soup?
A. Sick
Q. Mother and father sick?
A. Yes
Q. Did Lizzie eat any?
A. Tasted
Q. What about vest?
A. Father’s vest – stew-oven – Uncle John vest – going up stairs murder day
Q. Anything else?
A. No – tired – see Herald – Emma.
Q. Did Lizzie wear a water-proof?
A. No – pa’s trousers and hat.” [* Lizzie was on her European trip at this time– June 21- Nov. 1, 1890—kk
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River Historical Society, Fall River, MA., 1994. #HK004, pg. 6-7: Lynn, Aug. 10, 1892
Mr. Knowlton Dear Sir,
I don’t know as what I am about to say to you will be of any use to you as I am a spiritualist and believe in the communications of the dead. I get it there is a closet at the end of the sofa upon which Mr. Borden lay and in that closet was a man secreted at the time. Mr. Borden lay down upon the sofa immediately upon Mrs. Borden going out he came out and commited the murderous act he went out by the end of the barn and cleaned the hatchet and threw it into the celler the hatchet was bretty broad blade claw hammer head.
I don’t think a western life as a cowboy and farmer had the tendency to make Mr. Morse so very tender hearted as Mr. Davis would like you all to believe I think there was an old animosity an old grudge of the past to be settled and he settled it.
Yours most respectfully,
Delia Wilson
P.S. I do not know any of the parties involved in this tragidy. There is a man here by the name of Willis Edwards 9 Smith St that could tell you every detail even to the names.”
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Pg. 524, GLOSSARY B:
“Wilson, Delia A. (Gibson) c.1838- 1903: born in New York, widow of Jason G. Wilson…A housekeeper in Lynn, Mass., she died at her residence there.”
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Pg. 432, GLOSSARY A:
“EDWARDS, WILLIS: a clairvoyant physician. He is recorded as residing in Lynn, Massachusetts, for two years only, 1892 and 1893. His unusual profession probably caused him to be itinerant. Delia Wilson, writing to Attorney Hosea M. Knowlton, suggested that he be contacted for information on the Borden case as he could provide ‘every detail even to the names.’ “
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The Commonwealth of Massachusetts VS. Lizzie A. Borden, The Knowlton Papers 1892- 1893, Fall River Historical Society, Fall River, MA., 1994. #HK005, pg. 7-8: Worcester, Mass. 535 Main St. August 10, 1-92
To The District-Attorneys- General of Fall River, Mass.
Mr. Pillsbury and Knowlton
Dear Sirs-
I an A Business Medium located in this City since 1882. I have met duing the last 10 years many People in trouble about various things and have done them I trust a good deal of good, so it seemed to me from the Way They Talked. Now I frequently have some very good visions. In thinking recently about the Mr and Mrs. Borden Murder that has startled the entire Community & World, I talked the Matter over to some extent on Tuesday afternoon The 9th Inst. to my Wife Who has the name of an Excellent Clairvoyant or Spiritual Seer. After thinking It over and over Who could have been Guilty of such a Terrible Crime and the True Motive I laid myself down on the Bed to take a rest and soon fell fast asleep I dreamed or saw in a vision as They are Wont to call it sometimes. I will now try and relate what I saw. Was taken in the spirit to a House it seemed to be in Fallriver went into a nice Square Room & met a lady that I had never seen before. She was a thin faced woman average size I talked with Her. While Talking a Door opened and I saw a man with a Hatchet raised. When I looked again the Door closed partly but I could distinctly see the man and would know Him right off should I ever see Him again. The next thing I see is the Dress of the lady. In the Room she had on it seemed a Print Dress with Dark figures on it the features of the lady was grivious sort of long instead of fat face with Dark Eyes- the voice said to me this woman was Murdered first the Man last with Hatchet & knife. The voice still further said to me come with Me I followed to the West side of the House. She took me to a Place like a Henery Coop. I looked in and saw in one corner of the Coop A Box of iron sort of Pig iron in another of it was something like a Mattress half filled with Hair on one side of the Mattress She drew out a long rusty knife with long round handle bound with brass wire. The knife was an unusual ugly looking- the brass on it run length wise on the handle- still further a voice said to me ‘Oh’ this is some of my Daughters plotting with Uncle Morse & the strange man ‘Oh’ my daughter did this. Lizzie put her fist to my Mouth When I tried hard to call some one it now seems to me that after having such a wonderful Experience Spiritually as the above account that it may lead to some clue of the Murder. I give the facts to you Gentlemen as I have relived them. Some will say ‘Oh’ it is only a dream. Well even so consider the Matter and please look in the very perculiar place where I was taken and if there is anything found like What has been described then it will no doubt be the means of hunting up the Guilty Parties the Intelligences say that 3 three persons know who committed the Double Murder and that the Mayor of the City of Fall River should at once offer a Reward of one thousand Dollars, independent of the one offered by the sisters Emma & Lizzie Borden. Should you Gentleman think at any time that My presence in Fall River would aid you and the Officers I will come at once and do all that I possibly can for you as a Medium to unravel this great Mystery I am yours Most Respectfully,
J.Burns Strand
Trance Medium and Physician
P.S. The Voice says to me now in closeing this Missive ‘Arrest Morse Lizzie and the Man at West Port’.
J.B.S.”
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Pg. 520 , GLOSSARY B”
“Strand, John Burns 1848- ? : born in Massachusetts. Marrying in 1882, he settled in Worcester, Massachusetts, with his wife, Lucy. A psychic medium and clairvoyant physician, he appears in that city’s directories listed as such until 1891. The following year, his last in Worcester, he maintained an intelligence office. His letter to Attorney Hosea M. Knowlton offered his services as a trance medium to the prosecution in order to ‘unravel the mystery’. He relocated to Gardner, Massachusetts, and was residing there with his wife in 1900.”
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The Lizzie Borden Sourcebook, David Kent, Branden Publishing, Boston, 1992. “The Fall River Herald, [undated–prob. after Lizzie’s arrest, but before Aug. 22] pg. 120-1:
A NEW BEDFORD MAN’S LETTER FROM THE OTHER WORLD.
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A. J. Borden Speaks to the Public Through a Medium
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LOTS OF ADVICE
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Tendered the Marshal by Persons with Fancies of Different Kinds.
‘There is no end to the letters of advice and counsel,’ said Mr. Hilliard Sunday, ‘and the theories I am receiving on this case. I have a host of offers from clarivoyants, who offer, for so much money, to put me in the way of getting the murderer. Now, while I won’t say that there is nothing in spiritualism, still they would have to convince me pretty positively that it was really a communication from any deceased friend of mine before I would give it much thought. If any man sends in a clue or statement of any suspicious man seen, even if it looks like a fake, I will send an officer who will not stop until he has run it down, but this correspondence is from cranks or people endeavoring to get some money by working on the case.
‘Here is a good specimen of many of them, a letter from a woman, and reads: “Your honor, I am a person born with the qualifications of a detective, and if you would like to try my skill in that direction I will officiate by asking suspicious persons questions, thereby causing them to confess the deed if they be guilty. I should require you to send me $8 by post-office order to pay expenses for myself and husband there and back. How much would I get if I was the cause of the guilty parties confessing the truth?”
‘It is needless to say that I hardly felt as though the lady’s services were required. There are a number of others like this from women who rate their ability to obtain confessions very highly. Here is a clairvoyant, one from Rochester, N. Y. The writer, in putting forth her abilities, is also candid enough to admit she will also be making a good thing out of the transaction. She writes:
“Dear sir–I am a great clairvoyant and I have the charm in this world that I could make the parties give out who murdered them. If you want to buy this charm you can have it. I am poor and if I can make a couple of thousand dollars it would be good for me and that would save you a great deal of trouble..”
‘A charm is a good thing, but really I don’t thing the one she wants the $2000 for would be of enough use to warrant our purpose. I received a great many from clairvoyants, but they are all in the same general tenor of this one. They hope that I will think enough of their abilities to engage them to transmit the name of the murderer from the murdered to me. I have found some queer people in the world since I have been at work upon this murder. Here is a man whose father was mysteriously killed and he evidently thinks some gang like the mafia had a hand in this double murder. This man writes from Boston, and so as to be sure I had opportunities of using his idea in this case, he sent this letter written two days after the murder. This is his letter:
“Dear sir–Why not clear up this mystery by an examination of the retina of the eye of one or both of the murdered parties? If either were conscious at the time of the murder, the last object seen by them will be found impressed thereon. In the case of Mrs. Borden it would be a sure test, I would think, if she turned, as is supposed, and faced the assassin. Dark mysteries have been brought to light in this manner by the means of photography. Do not care to be known at present.” He signed it “Detective,” and writes a bold hand , like a person of some education. This is the most unique of the many theories that I have received.
….’A number of letters are evidently written in good faith and with an honest endeavor to be of some assistance, but most of them are like those I have read. It shows how extensive the knowledge of this case has been and also the interest taken in its solution. In this murder, as in all of my cases, I do not want any innocent person convicted. I would rather any time see 20 guilty men go than one innocent be convicted. I am bound to work everything in the nature of clues or information given me.’ “
[Any flaws in the copy have been retained. kk]
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The Lizzie Borden Sourcebook, David Kent, Branden Publishing, Boston, 1992. The Fall River Herald, c. Aug. 14 or 15, 1892:
“MORE FROM THE SPIRITS.
Both Mr. and Mrs. Borden Talk–The Latter Comforts Lizzie.
Two more messages have been received from the spirit world, says a correspondent of the Boston Post. Sunday evening the spirit of Andrew J. Borden knocked again at the brain of this New Bedford medium, while Monday night from 8 o’clock until 10:30 the spirit of Mrs. Borden whispered strange words that may or may not mean much.
Monday night’s message from Andrew J. Borden read as follows: ‘No one knows where the axe is but you. Now I want you to publish when you go to the hidden scene; start early in the morning when the air is clear. Two weeks from now you will know much more about this. We want justice done to this dear woman.’
‘Do you mean the medium?’
‘Yes; you must see, my friend, that she is well rewarded. I know that you can find the axe. A number of persons have been there but have found no trace. Even the man who hid it cannot locate the place now. You cannot find the axe unless the medium goes with you. They have not got this man’s name I gave you; don’t wait too long before you go for the man.’
‘Shall I write to the Pinkerton’s?’
‘Don’t write; let them come to you.’
‘Did the man have dark circles beneath his eyes?’
‘Yes.’
‘Were his clothes dark blue instead of a black or dark brown?’
‘I cannot tell; only they were dark. When I was struck I was in the mortal, when I saw I was in the spirit; I feel I am losing my strength; I must leave you; good night. ANDREW J. BORDEN.’
Monday evening the following was received from the spirit of Mrs. Borden: ‘This is Mrs. Borden. I have come to thank you for what you have done for us.’
‘Can you give us a test?’
‘Tell them to take care of my things and a copied picture. I will do as much to help them. Tell Lizzie I know the window was left open; I know the man can be found. Please write this to Emma: “I want to know the reason you don’t go to Fall River.”‘ The reason was given and accepted by the spirit, and the influence left, signing ‘Wife of A.J. Borden.’ “
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The Lizzie Borden Sourcebook, David Kent, Branden Publishing, Boston, 1992. “The Fall River Herald, pg. 129:
Job Too Much For The Spirits
An Onset medium assured a Boston Globe reporter that there was a great diversity of opinion in the spirit world as to the identity of the person who murdered Mr. and Mrs. Borden. ‘You see.’ she said,’ spirits don’t know everything, at least many spirits do not. And if they didn’t happen to be looking just at the moment when the murder was committed they couldn’t be expected to know about it.’
‘But’, ventured the reporter, ‘couldn’t Mr. and Mrs. Borden be hunted up in the spirit world and solve the mystery for us?’
‘Yes, I suppose they might be found somewhere if a search were instituted for them. But even if their whereabouts were discovered it’s not certain they would know who the murderer was, for Mr. Borden was asleep and Mrs. Borden’s back might have been turned.’
‘But it would seem,’ the reporter urged, ‘that if Mr. and Mrs. Borden could be found and induced to tell all they know about the circumstances preceding the final deed, some clue or some corroboration of existing suspicions might be obtained.’
‘Yes,’ the medium assented vaguely, ‘but the trouble is that when people go suddenly into the spirit world as Mr. and Mrs. Borden went, they are apt to be in a dazed or half-conscious state for a long while and unable to remember anything.’
The medium said that spirits often find as great difficulty as mortals in solving mysteries and she wouldn’t undertake the job of trying to discover the Fall River murderer.
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Lizzie Borden Past and Present, Len Rebello, Al-Zach Press, 1999, pg. 173: [both cites]
Boston Advertiser, Aug. 24, 1892
“A woman, plainly dressed, with short dark hair, called at the police station this afternoon, in search of Marshal Hilliard. Failing to find him, she returned tonight and was closeted with him for half an hour. She refused to give her name and also declined to register at the Wilbur House where she is stopping. She told the marshal that she was peculiarly gifted from infancy, and went on to say that she saw a vision: Miss Lizzie Borden murdering her mother at 10:10 o’clock, Thursday, August 4. Later, she saw Miss Lizzie pass downstairs with a hatchet in her hand, go towards her father, putting a hatchet in a corner while she smoothed the sofa pillow for her father to rest on. Still later, she saw Lizzie standing at the head of the sofa hacking mercilessly at her father’s skull. Marshal Hilliard says the woman appears to be sane.”
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“Psychic Takes on Borden House,” Providence Journal-Bulletin, October 10, 1996: D6.
Lovit, Reva, ‘World Renowned Psychic Visits Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast,” Tribune, October 26, 1996: 2.
Kenny Kingston claimed a “transient” walked in, stripped Lizzie and was about to attack her. This traumatic experience caused Lizzie to lose reality, she grabbed an ax, later destroyed by Bridget, ascended the stairs and killed her father and then her stepmother.
Mr. Kingston also believed Lizzie was sexually abused by her father and Mrs. Borden knew about it and did nothing. Andrew Borden gave Abby Borden a “sleeping potion to knock her out so that he could go down to the basement and party.” Emma Borden was also a victim of incest but it was ending. Uncle John Morse, according to Mr. Kingston, was involved indirectly. Mr. Kingston further went on to say Lizzie wanted actress Sharon Stone to play the role of Lizzie, a role that would save Stone’s career.
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Philadelphia Inquirer, June 16, 1997: D1. “At Lizzie Borden’s House, Summoning Her Spirit.”
Jane Doherty, president of the New Jersey Society of Parapsychology, visited the Borden home to conduct a seance. She claimed Lizzie didn’t know anything about the murders nor did she commit them. She said,’ more than one person was involved in the double murder, including one of Lizzie’s uncles.’ Ms. Doherty said, ‘The bodies of Abby and Andrew Borden had been moved to confuse investigators. Money and incest were involved in the killings.’
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Spooky Heritage Haunting Us,” Boston Herald American, October 30, 1977: D1. “Lizz’ Ghost?” Fall River Herald News, July 14, 1981: 6.
The main door of Leary Press [234 Second Street, formerly the home of the Bordens] was blown open by a sudden gust of wind. The wind power shattered an inner aluminum and glass door and smashed a panel window at the top of the office. Was Lizzie responsible?
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Eerie Events in an Old House on Durfee Street,” Fall River Herald News, July 27, 1981: 1.
Is the ghost of Lizzie Borden responsible for the strange happenings at the home of the Animal Rescue League’s supervisor who lives adjacent to the Animal Rescue League? He has observed empty rocking chairs move, his laundry folded, towels and socks neatly sorted and folded, the TV turned off, and knots that had been tied in towels, and shoes untied.
Mr. Alfonso placed yellow roses on Lizzie’s grave on the anniversary of her death. These were ordered by an unidentified New York woman. He has also experienced eerie events at the Bordens’ family cemetery.
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Guides at Borden House See It as ‘Spirited’ Haunt,” Fall River Herald News, August 11, 1997: 7.
Kathie Goncalo and George Quigley say there are “friendly spirits” in the Borden home. Martha McGinn, owner of the home, believes the house is “active.” She recalled hearing footsteps, doors open and shut, and lights flicker on and off. Cameras malfunctioned during a recent filming at the home. While preparing for Governor of Massachusetts Weld’s visit, a maid at the home quit after seeing an imprint of a body in the bed where Abby Borden was murdered.
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McGinn, Martha. “Looking Back: My Life at 92 Second Street, 1960 Till Now.”Lizzie Borden Quarterly V.1 (Jan. 1998): 6-7.
Martha McGinn, the current owner of 92 Second Street and the owner of the Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast, relates her memories of living in the house since the age of seventeen when she moved in with her grandparents, the owners at the time.
There were occasionally unexplained occurrences at the house, such as lights turning themselves on and off, doors opening and shutting, a radio that would randomly go on and off, an unwound alarm clock that would suddenly sound the alarm…little things like that. There was never anything like a poltergeist and although we might get a little unnerved at times, it was never frightening….Some nights we would have séances. We never did contact any spirits, but it was a great excuse for the girls to squeal and hang onto their boyfriends.
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The Commonwealth of Massachusetts VS. Lizzie A. Borden, The Knowlton Papers 1892- 1893, Fall
The Knowlton Papers, The Commonwealth of Massachusetts vs. Lizzie A. Borden, 1892- 1893, Fall River Historical Society, 1994, pg. 339- 345, typewritten transcript, #HK329:
O U I J A
Q. What about the Borden case?
A. Axe – Turkey red – vest – suds – stairs.
Q. Was it her father’s vest?
A. His vest
Q. What about Turkey red?
A. Paint
Q. What dress did she wear?
A. No dress
Q. Didn’t she wear anything?
A. Yes, trousers.
Q. Who wore them?
A. She
Q. Bridget?
A. No; Lizzie
Q. What did she do with the things?
A. Bury
Q. Where?
A. Yard –
Q. What part of the yard?
A. Cellar – furnace – underneath earth
Q. Are they buried there?
A. Yes.
Q. All?
A. No; some burned
Q. Where did she burn them?
A. Kitchen – wet clothes – trousers bury
Q. Did she kill both her father and mother?
A. Undoubtedly
Q. Did she bury the axe?
A. No – burn handle
Q. What did she do with the rest of it?
A. Box
Q. You mean she put it in a box?
A. Yes
Q. Will they be found?
A. No – too sharp
Q. Who hid them?
A. J. Morse hid things under the earth
Q. Does Dr. Bowen know anything about it?
A. All
Q. Did Lizzie tell him?
A. In her chamber let it out
Q. When did Morse bury things?
A. Thursday – 8 P.M.
Q. Did Morse spend Thursday night there?
A. Went out to hotel at 9 P.M.
Q. What about note to Mrs. Borden?
A. No none
Q. Lizzie made it up?
A. All
Q. Was Mrs. Reagan’s story true?
A. Yes
Q. Will she be found guilty?
A. Never
Q. Will Emma’s testimony save her?
A. Lies
Q. Were the hat and trousers buried in yard with Mr. and Mrs. Borden’s clothes?
A. No
Q. Are the things still buried in the cellar?
A. Still
Q. Could we find them?
A. Yes
Q. Any trace?
A. Puddle
Q. Where?
A. Cellar
Q. Puddle of what?
A. Mud
Q. Where?
A. Cellar
Q. What part?
A. Furnace
Q. What about Morse and vest?
A. Stairs – J.M. knows
Q. What about Prussic acid?
A. First intent
Q. What about furs?
A. No furs
Q. Didn’t Morse help?
A. Innocent
Q. Any one help?
A. No accomplice
Q. Why did she do it?
A. 200 M
Q. Do you mean money?
A. Money
Q. Will the verdict be ‘Not Guilty’?
A. Perhaps
Q. Will the jury disagree?
A. Who knows?
Q. __________?
A. J.Morse – vest
Q. What about Morse’s vest?
A. Stairs – note
Q. What about note?
A. Investment
Q. What about investment?
A. Mother
Q. Investment for Mrs. Borden?
A. Talked over
Q. What became of it?
A. Murder
Q. Did Lizzie find the investment in her father’s pocket?
A. Heard.
Q. Has Morse got it now?
A. No
Q. Has Lizzie?
A. No
Q. Was it burned?
A. No
Q. Was it buried?
A. No
Q. Where is it?
A. Led to murder
Q. Is it now in vest?
A. No note – darn!
Q. What became of vest?
A. Investment
Q. And Morse knows of it?
A. Yes – talked over night before with Mr. and Mrs. Borden.
Q. Lizzie heard it?
A. Night
Q. Where was she?
A. Dining-room
Q. Hidden in the dining-room?
A. Accident
Q. You mean she heard by accident?
A. Yes
Q. She said nothing to Morse?
A. No
Q. What investment?
A. Mills
Q. What mills?
A. Real Estate
Q. Did Lizzie have a cat?
A.. Yes – yellow cat – departed – violent
Q. Who killed it?
A. She – axe
Q. Whose lap did it jump into?
A. Jim Wilder – July 7 – 90. *
Q. Where did he live?
A. No. 2 Second street, Fall River
Q. Whom did he tell it to?
A. Susy Wilder – she told it to Tish Thomas – manicure – at Rosalie Butler’s – Tremont street.
Q. What hotel?
A. Fall River House
Q. What time did Lizzie murder her mother?
A. 9:30
Q. What did she do afterwards?
A. Worked
Q. What time did she murder her father?
A. 10:45
Q. What did she do afterwards?
A. Put trousers that she wore in tub in cellar sink
Q. Why weren’t they found?
A. Stupid
Q. What did she do after putting the trousers in the cellar sink?
A. Then dressed and called
Q. What about barn?
A. No barn
Q. What else did she wear besides trousers?
A. Hat
Q. What color hat?
A. Dark
Q. Any gloves?
A. No gloves
Q. Anything on chest and waist?
A. Nothing but trousers and hat
Q. What about paint?
A. Turkey red – smooch on dress burnt – from mop-board in kitchen – May, 1892.
Q. Will she be convicted?
A. Perhaps by Russell – and Bridget at door
Q. Who took trousers from tub in cellar?
A. Morse took trousers from tub night of murder
Q. When did Lizzie burn the handle of the hatchet?
A. Immediately – then put ashes on hatchet
Q. What about suds?
A. Vermicelli – suds – soup-tureen – Wednesday dinner
Q. Why did she put suds in the soup?
A. Sick
Q. Mother and father sick?
A. Yes
Q. Did Lizzie eat any?
A. Tasted
Q. What about vest?
A. Father’s vest – stew-oven – Uncle John vest – going up stairs murder day
Q. Anything else?
A. No – tired – see Herald – Emma.
Q. Did Lizzie wear a water-proof?
A. No – pa’s trousers and hat.” [* Lizzie was on her European trip at this time– June 21- Nov. 1, 1890—kk
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River Historical Society, Fall River, MA., 1994. #HK004, pg. 6-7: Lynn, Aug. 10, 1892
Mr. Knowlton Dear Sir,
I don’t know as what I am about to say to you will be of any use to you as I am a spiritualist and believe in the communications of the dead. I get it there is a closet at the end of the sofa upon which Mr. Borden lay and in that closet was a man secreted at the time. Mr. Borden lay down upon the sofa immediately upon Mrs. Borden going out he came out and commited the murderous act he went out by the end of the barn and cleaned the hatchet and threw it into the celler the hatchet was bretty broad blade claw hammer head.
I don’t think a western life as a cowboy and farmer had the tendency to make Mr. Morse so very tender hearted as Mr. Davis would like you all to believe I think there was an old animosity an old grudge of the past to be settled and he settled it.
Yours most respectfully,
Delia Wilson
P.S. I do not know any of the parties involved in this tragidy. There is a man here by the name of Willis Edwards 9 Smith St that could tell you every detail even to the names.”
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Pg. 524, GLOSSARY B:
“Wilson, Delia A. (Gibson) c.1838- 1903: born in New York, widow of Jason G. Wilson…A housekeeper in Lynn, Mass., she died at her residence there.”
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Pg. 432, GLOSSARY A:
“EDWARDS, WILLIS: a clairvoyant physician. He is recorded as residing in Lynn, Massachusetts, for two years only, 1892 and 1893. His unusual profession probably caused him to be itinerant. Delia Wilson, writing to Attorney Hosea M. Knowlton, suggested that he be contacted for information on the Borden case as he could provide ‘every detail even to the names.’ “
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The Commonwealth of Massachusetts VS. Lizzie A. Borden, The Knowlton Papers 1892- 1893, Fall River Historical Society, Fall River, MA., 1994. #HK005, pg. 7-8: Worcester, Mass. 535 Main St. August 10, 1-92
To The District-Attorneys- General of Fall River, Mass.
Mr. Pillsbury and Knowlton
Dear Sirs-
I an A Business Medium located in this City since 1882. I have met duing the last 10 years many People in trouble about various things and have done them I trust a good deal of good, so it seemed to me from the Way They Talked. Now I frequently have some very good visions. In thinking recently about the Mr and Mrs. Borden Murder that has startled the entire Community & World, I talked the Matter over to some extent on Tuesday afternoon The 9th Inst. to my Wife Who has the name of an Excellent Clairvoyant or Spiritual Seer. After thinking It over and over Who could have been Guilty of such a Terrible Crime and the True Motive I laid myself down on the Bed to take a rest and soon fell fast asleep I dreamed or saw in a vision as They are Wont to call it sometimes. I will now try and relate what I saw. Was taken in the spirit to a House it seemed to be in Fallriver went into a nice Square Room & met a lady that I had never seen before. She was a thin faced woman average size I talked with Her. While Talking a Door opened and I saw a man with a Hatchet raised. When I looked again the Door closed partly but I could distinctly see the man and would know Him right off should I ever see Him again. The next thing I see is the Dress of the lady. In the Room she had on it seemed a Print Dress with Dark figures on it the features of the lady was grivious sort of long instead of fat face with Dark Eyes- the voice said to me this woman was Murdered first the Man last with Hatchet & knife. The voice still further said to me come with Me I followed to the West side of the House. She took me to a Place like a Henery Coop. I looked in and saw in one corner of the Coop A Box of iron sort of Pig iron in another of it was something like a Mattress half filled with Hair on one side of the Mattress She drew out a long rusty knife with long round handle bound with brass wire. The knife was an unusual ugly looking- the brass on it run length wise on the handle- still further a voice said to me ‘Oh’ this is some of my Daughters plotting with Uncle Morse & the strange man ‘Oh’ my daughter did this. Lizzie put her fist to my Mouth When I tried hard to call some one it now seems to me that after having such a wonderful Experience Spiritually as the above account that it may lead to some clue of the Murder. I give the facts to you Gentlemen as I have relived them. Some will say ‘Oh’ it is only a dream. Well even so consider the Matter and please look in the very perculiar place where I was taken and if there is anything found like What has been described then it will no doubt be the means of hunting up the Guilty Parties the Intelligences say that 3 three persons know who committed the Double Murder and that the Mayor of the City of Fall River should at once offer a Reward of one thousand Dollars, independent of the one offered by the sisters Emma & Lizzie Borden. Should you Gentleman think at any time that My presence in Fall River would aid you and the Officers I will come at once and do all that I possibly can for you as a Medium to unravel this great Mystery I am yours Most Respectfully,
J.Burns Strand
Trance Medium and Physician
P.S. The Voice says to me now in closeing this Missive ‘Arrest Morse Lizzie and the Man at West Port’.
J.B.S.”
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Pg. 520 , GLOSSARY B”
“Strand, John Burns 1848- ? : born in Massachusetts. Marrying in 1882, he settled in Worcester, Massachusetts, with his wife, Lucy. A psychic medium and clairvoyant physician, he appears in that city’s directories listed as such until 1891. The following year, his last in Worcester, he maintained an intelligence office. His letter to Attorney Hosea M. Knowlton offered his services as a trance medium to the prosecution in order to ‘unravel the mystery’. He relocated to Gardner, Massachusetts, and was residing there with his wife in 1900.”
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The Lizzie Borden Sourcebook, David Kent, Branden Publishing, Boston, 1992. “The Fall River Herald, [undated–prob. after Lizzie’s arrest, but before Aug. 22] pg. 120-1:
A NEW BEDFORD MAN’S LETTER FROM THE OTHER WORLD.
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A. J. Borden Speaks to the Public Through a Medium
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LOTS OF ADVICE
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Tendered the Marshal by Persons with Fancies of Different Kinds.
‘There is no end to the letters of advice and counsel,’ said Mr. Hilliard Sunday, ‘and the theories I am receiving on this case. I have a host of offers from clarivoyants, who offer, for so much money, to put me in the way of getting the murderer. Now, while I won’t say that there is nothing in spiritualism, still they would have to convince me pretty positively that it was really a communication from any deceased friend of mine before I would give it much thought. If any man sends in a clue or statement of any suspicious man seen, even if it looks like a fake, I will send an officer who will not stop until he has run it down, but this correspondence is from cranks or people endeavoring to get some money by working on the case.
‘Here is a good specimen of many of them, a letter from a woman, and reads: “Your honor, I am a person born with the qualifications of a detective, and if you would like to try my skill in that direction I will officiate by asking suspicious persons questions, thereby causing them to confess the deed if they be guilty. I should require you to send me $8 by post-office order to pay expenses for myself and husband there and back. How much would I get if I was the cause of the guilty parties confessing the truth?”
‘It is needless to say that I hardly felt as though the lady’s services were required. There are a number of others like this from women who rate their ability to obtain confessions very highly. Here is a clairvoyant, one from Rochester, N. Y. The writer, in putting forth her abilities, is also candid enough to admit she will also be making a good thing out of the transaction. She writes:
“Dear sir–I am a great clairvoyant and I have the charm in this world that I could make the parties give out who murdered them. If you want to buy this charm you can have it. I am poor and if I can make a couple of thousand dollars it would be good for me and that would save you a great deal of trouble..”
‘A charm is a good thing, but really I don’t thing the one she wants the $2000 for would be of enough use to warrant our purpose. I received a great many from clairvoyants, but they are all in the same general tenor of this one. They hope that I will think enough of their abilities to engage them to transmit the name of the murderer from the murdered to me. I have found some queer people in the world since I have been at work upon this murder. Here is a man whose father was mysteriously killed and he evidently thinks some gang like the mafia had a hand in this double murder. This man writes from Boston, and so as to be sure I had opportunities of using his idea in this case, he sent this letter written two days after the murder. This is his letter:
“Dear sir–Why not clear up this mystery by an examination of the retina of the eye of one or both of the murdered parties? If either were conscious at the time of the murder, the last object seen by them will be found impressed thereon. In the case of Mrs. Borden it would be a sure test, I would think, if she turned, as is supposed, and faced the assassin. Dark mysteries have been brought to light in this manner by the means of photography. Do not care to be known at present.” He signed it “Detective,” and writes a bold hand , like a person of some education. This is the most unique of the many theories that I have received.
….’A number of letters are evidently written in good faith and with an honest endeavor to be of some assistance, but most of them are like those I have read. It shows how extensive the knowledge of this case has been and also the interest taken in its solution. In this murder, as in all of my cases, I do not want any innocent person convicted. I would rather any time see 20 guilty men go than one innocent be convicted. I am bound to work everything in the nature of clues or information given me.’ “
[Any flaws in the copy have been retained. kk]
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The Lizzie Borden Sourcebook, David Kent, Branden Publishing, Boston, 1992. The Fall River Herald, c. Aug. 14 or 15, 1892:
“MORE FROM THE SPIRITS.
Both Mr. and Mrs. Borden Talk–The Latter Comforts Lizzie.
Two more messages have been received from the spirit world, says a correspondent of the Boston Post. Sunday evening the spirit of Andrew J. Borden knocked again at the brain of this New Bedford medium, while Monday night from 8 o’clock until 10:30 the spirit of Mrs. Borden whispered strange words that may or may not mean much.
Monday night’s message from Andrew J. Borden read as follows: ‘No one knows where the axe is but you. Now I want you to publish when you go to the hidden scene; start early in the morning when the air is clear. Two weeks from now you will know much more about this. We want justice done to this dear woman.’
‘Do you mean the medium?’
‘Yes; you must see, my friend, that she is well rewarded. I know that you can find the axe. A number of persons have been there but have found no trace. Even the man who hid it cannot locate the place now. You cannot find the axe unless the medium goes with you. They have not got this man’s name I gave you; don’t wait too long before you go for the man.’
‘Shall I write to the Pinkerton’s?’
‘Don’t write; let them come to you.’
‘Did the man have dark circles beneath his eyes?’
‘Yes.’
‘Were his clothes dark blue instead of a black or dark brown?’
‘I cannot tell; only they were dark. When I was struck I was in the mortal, when I saw I was in the spirit; I feel I am losing my strength; I must leave you; good night. ANDREW J. BORDEN.’
Monday evening the following was received from the spirit of Mrs. Borden: ‘This is Mrs. Borden. I have come to thank you for what you have done for us.’
‘Can you give us a test?’
‘Tell them to take care of my things and a copied picture. I will do as much to help them. Tell Lizzie I know the window was left open; I know the man can be found. Please write this to Emma: “I want to know the reason you don’t go to Fall River.”‘ The reason was given and accepted by the spirit, and the influence left, signing ‘Wife of A.J. Borden.’ “
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The Lizzie Borden Sourcebook, David Kent, Branden Publishing, Boston, 1992. “The Fall River Herald, pg. 129:
Job Too Much For The Spirits
An Onset medium assured a Boston Globe reporter that there was a great diversity of opinion in the spirit world as to the identity of the person who murdered Mr. and Mrs. Borden. ‘You see.’ she said,’ spirits don’t know everything, at least many spirits do not. And if they didn’t happen to be looking just at the moment when the murder was committed they couldn’t be expected to know about it.’
‘But’, ventured the reporter, ‘couldn’t Mr. and Mrs. Borden be hunted up in the spirit world and solve the mystery for us?’
‘Yes, I suppose they might be found somewhere if a search were instituted for them. But even if their whereabouts were discovered it’s not certain they would know who the murderer was, for Mr. Borden was asleep and Mrs. Borden’s back might have been turned.’
‘But it would seem,’ the reporter urged, ‘that if Mr. and Mrs. Borden could be found and induced to tell all they know about the circumstances preceding the final deed, some clue or some corroboration of existing suspicions might be obtained.’
‘Yes,’ the medium assented vaguely, ‘but the trouble is that when people go suddenly into the spirit world as Mr. and Mrs. Borden went, they are apt to be in a dazed or half-conscious state for a long while and unable to remember anything.’
The medium said that spirits often find as great difficulty as mortals in solving mysteries and she wouldn’t undertake the job of trying to discover the Fall River murderer.
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Lizzie Borden Past and Present, Len Rebello, Al-Zach Press, 1999, pg. 173: [both cites]
Boston Advertiser, Aug. 24, 1892
“A woman, plainly dressed, with short dark hair, called at the police station this afternoon, in search of Marshal Hilliard. Failing to find him, she returned tonight and was closeted with him for half an hour. She refused to give her name and also declined to register at the Wilbur House where she is stopping. She told the marshal that she was peculiarly gifted from infancy, and went on to say that she saw a vision: Miss Lizzie Borden murdering her mother at 10:10 o’clock, Thursday, August 4. Later, she saw Miss Lizzie pass downstairs with a hatchet in her hand, go towards her father, putting a hatchet in a corner while she smoothed the sofa pillow for her father to rest on. Still later, she saw Lizzie standing at the head of the sofa hacking mercilessly at her father’s skull. Marshal Hilliard says the woman appears to be sane.”
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“Psychic Takes on Borden House,” Providence Journal-Bulletin, October 10, 1996: D6.
Lovit, Reva, ‘World Renowned Psychic Visits Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast,” Tribune, October 26, 1996: 2.
Kenny Kingston claimed a “transient” walked in, stripped Lizzie and was about to attack her. This traumatic experience caused Lizzie to lose reality, she grabbed an ax, later destroyed by Bridget, ascended the stairs and killed her father and then her stepmother.
Mr. Kingston also believed Lizzie was sexually abused by her father and Mrs. Borden knew about it and did nothing. Andrew Borden gave Abby Borden a “sleeping potion to knock her out so that he could go down to the basement and party.” Emma Borden was also a victim of incest but it was ending. Uncle John Morse, according to Mr. Kingston, was involved indirectly. Mr. Kingston further went on to say Lizzie wanted actress Sharon Stone to play the role of Lizzie, a role that would save Stone’s career.
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Philadelphia Inquirer, June 16, 1997: D1. “At Lizzie Borden’s House, Summoning Her Spirit.”
Jane Doherty, president of the New Jersey Society of Parapsychology, visited the Borden home to conduct a seance. She claimed Lizzie didn’t know anything about the murders nor did she commit them. She said,’ more than one person was involved in the double murder, including one of Lizzie’s uncles.’ Ms. Doherty said, ‘The bodies of Abby and Andrew Borden had been moved to confuse investigators. Money and incest were involved in the killings.’
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Spooky Heritage Haunting Us,” Boston Herald American, October 30, 1977: D1. “Lizz’ Ghost?” Fall River Herald News, July 14, 1981: 6.
The main door of Leary Press [234 Second Street, formerly the home of the Bordens] was blown open by a sudden gust of wind. The wind power shattered an inner aluminum and glass door and smashed a panel window at the top of the office. Was Lizzie responsible?
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Eerie Events in an Old House on Durfee Street,” Fall River Herald News, July 27, 1981: 1.
Is the ghost of Lizzie Borden responsible for the strange happenings at the home of the Animal Rescue League’s supervisor who lives adjacent to the Animal Rescue League? He has observed empty rocking chairs move, his laundry folded, towels and socks neatly sorted and folded, the TV turned off, and knots that had been tied in towels, and shoes untied.
Mr. Alfonso placed yellow roses on Lizzie’s grave on the anniversary of her death. These were ordered by an unidentified New York woman. He has also experienced eerie events at the Bordens’ family cemetery.
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Guides at Borden House See It as ‘Spirited’ Haunt,” Fall River Herald News, August 11, 1997: 7.
Kathie Goncalo and George Quigley say there are “friendly spirits” in the Borden home. Martha McGinn, owner of the home, believes the house is “active.” She recalled hearing footsteps, doors open and shut, and lights flicker on and off. Cameras malfunctioned during a recent filming at the home. While preparing for Governor of Massachusetts Weld’s visit, a maid at the home quit after seeing an imprint of a body in the bed where Abby Borden was murdered.
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McGinn, Martha. “Looking Back: My Life at 92 Second Street, 1960 Till Now.”Lizzie Borden Quarterly V.1 (Jan. 1998): 6-7.
Martha McGinn, the current owner of 92 Second Street and the owner of the Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast, relates her memories of living in the house since the age of seventeen when she moved in with her grandparents, the owners at the time.
There were occasionally unexplained occurrences at the house, such as lights turning themselves on and off, doors opening and shutting, a radio that would randomly go on and off, an unwound alarm clock that would suddenly sound the alarm…little things like that. There was never anything like a poltergeist and although we might get a little unnerved at times, it was never frightening….Some nights we would have séances. We never did contact any spirits, but it was a great excuse for the girls to squeal and hang onto their boyfriends.
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This is a picture I’ve shown once before here, so it may look familiar. It’s my one and only “unexplained” odd photo from the Borden house. There is a flash- looking white light on my boot, and I am standing within the area where Andrew’s foot was on the sitting room floor. The Leary Press was still attached to the window wall and cut off the daylight.
Remember, I had had that previous “conversation” with Andrew at the grave site memorial…
When I first visited Oak Grove and the Borden monument earlier in the year, I *heard* Andrew say in my head “Go away.” I retorted saucily, “If you didn’t want visitors, why erect such an obvious Grave marker?”
It was later, in Forum discussion, I found out the Borden daughters picked the Memorial stone.
On this trip I had apologized to him at Oak Grove.
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First visit to Oak Grove (after we were interviewed for documentary).
March foggy evening cold as a grave…
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March foggy evening cold as a grave…
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Borden grave monument March 2004
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I was sleeping well, until I heard a noise that concerned me, about 2 a.m.- woke me up to blind shaking TERROR! I still don’t, to this day, understand why I reacted that way- it was visceral fear, overwhelming.
I looked out the window and there were about 4 teenagers appearing from the hedge in the very back of the yard, pushing their way thru, into the rear parking lot, by the barn. Then one turned his back, faced into the bush and I assumed he was relieving himself.
I was shaking from head to toe, moved quickly to the sitting area outside my door to awaken Lee-Ann who was bunking on the sofa there in our attic. She came back with me and we sat together on the edge of the bed looking out the window together. I felt a little safer, she was very calm. We whispered, and watched for a while, but I really really wanted them gone. She didn’t seem disturbed. I asked her if I could please turn on all the lights that faced the back and surely they would realize we were watching them and they would leave, without confrontation.
She finally agreed, and so I started downstairs in Andrews room below me and turned on the light. She turned on Bridget’s light and then I turned on the kitchen light and they went away slowly- not seemingly very fazed by the whole back of the house lit up.
After several minutes we reversed the process and I went back to Bridget’s room and tried to settle to sleep. Lee-Ann was back on the
I don’t think I had ever been that afraid before, even my voice was shaking. It seems, compared to Lee-Ann, to be an overreaction…then I began to think about Bridget and her fear that horrible murder day. She was in that room, maybe looking out that window seeing what? But, she was supposedly resting, until brutal murder was done and she was called down by Lizzie to go get a doctor for her father, and nothing was ever the same again in her world. A residual of fear? Since Bridget survived violence done in that house and had to deal with her fear, maybe that was left-over and I tapped into it in a strange synchronicity of time.
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Kat: Please forgive me for sounding insensitive or churlish to your encounter, but...
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A thing that might also be unable to believe, which would be reasonable, is that I am a “true empath” and have had this ability (no fun) since youth.
It’s a real thing if one wanted to look it up.
Maybe it had nothing to do with Bridget’s impressions or the Bordens, that’s true. Other folks have lived there, and stayed there , through time.
But I remember Bridget gave a statement that she looked out her window after going upstairs to rest before getting the noon meal ready…so that seemed a connection…on the scariest day of her life.
A positive outcome was a great feeling of comfort and connectedness with Lee-Ann who I love and admire. I do “forgive” you, as I happen to love and admire you, too, MB.
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Yes Kat.
We fell on hard times back in the late 60s and we had to move to a housing project. One of the toughest neighborhoods in town. I remember one night, a very dark night, I was lying in my bed and it was late. Suddenly I heard a creaking noise. Like a creaking door. I tried to focus my eyes but could see nothing. Then I heard it again. Could someone be walking around in the dark? I realized it was coming from outside. There it was again! When I went to the window to look, there were two guys stealing the hubcaps off my 66 Mustang.
Sometimes when you are scared the person that scares you the most is yourself. Especially if your imagination takes over. And darkness doesn't help. The last time I creeped myself out was at Maplecorft. I was caretaker for a while.
When Maplecorft was vacant and the owner was away, I would go inside and throughout the house and make certain everything was in order. The last place I would check was the cellar. I would sit in Lizzie's living room in absolute darkness and listen to the house. There was all sorts of creaking and cracking throughout the building.
One night I though I head someone walking upstairs. The more I thought about it the more I scared myself. Of course this was winter and the noise was coming from the heating radiators and expansion of wood flooring etc. But the floor cracking sounded like footsteps.
Sitting in the dark in Lizzie's home close to midnight was common for me, peaceful and enlightening. I enjoyed it. Although there was no ghostly Lizzie. But for one night I crept myself out thinking something was upstairs and letting my imagination do the thinking for me. That night I went home, closed the door to my apartment and set the alarm. You can see the alarm in the photo below. Just incase a Lizzie ghost followed me home![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
We fell on hard times back in the late 60s and we had to move to a housing project. One of the toughest neighborhoods in town. I remember one night, a very dark night, I was lying in my bed and it was late. Suddenly I heard a creaking noise. Like a creaking door. I tried to focus my eyes but could see nothing. Then I heard it again. Could someone be walking around in the dark? I realized it was coming from outside. There it was again! When I went to the window to look, there were two guys stealing the hubcaps off my 66 Mustang.
Sometimes when you are scared the person that scares you the most is yourself. Especially if your imagination takes over. And darkness doesn't help. The last time I creeped myself out was at Maplecorft. I was caretaker for a while.
When Maplecorft was vacant and the owner was away, I would go inside and throughout the house and make certain everything was in order. The last place I would check was the cellar. I would sit in Lizzie's living room in absolute darkness and listen to the house. There was all sorts of creaking and cracking throughout the building.
One night I though I head someone walking upstairs. The more I thought about it the more I scared myself. Of course this was winter and the noise was coming from the heating radiators and expansion of wood flooring etc. But the floor cracking sounded like footsteps.
Sitting in the dark in Lizzie's home close to midnight was common for me, peaceful and enlightening. I enjoyed it. Although there was no ghostly Lizzie. But for one night I crept myself out thinking something was upstairs and letting my imagination do the thinking for me. That night I went home, closed the door to my apartment and set the alarm. You can see the alarm in the photo below. Just incase a Lizzie ghost followed me home
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That’s just the sort of alarm that Bridget might use!
Good idea! Thanks for lightening things up!
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We had this schizophrenic young man living upstairs from us, so I use to set up the bottle on the door, a Bridget alarm, as you say. One night he was screaming for Katy. Every few seconds he would scream out, "Katy," from the top of his lungs. He lived with a girl and that was not her name. She was mentally Ill also. This went on for well over an hour non stop. It was like two in the morning and we had to call his father who was the landlord and lived out of town at the time.
When I asked the young man some time later who Katy was, he claimed he didn't know anyone named Katy.
In the photo below is the chair, on the left, I would sit in. The night I was creeping myself out I moved over to the sofa on the right. Just incase someone did come down from upstairs and tried to strangle me from behind. Like an old western gunfighter who never sat with his back to the door.![Rolling Eyes :roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
When I asked the young man some time later who Katy was, he claimed he didn't know anyone named Katy.
In the photo below is the chair, on the left, I would sit in. The night I was creeping myself out I moved over to the sofa on the right. Just incase someone did come down from upstairs and tried to strangle me from behind. Like an old western gunfighter who never sat with his back to the door.
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That's a photo I took at a time when Kristie Bates use to own Maplecroft.
While she was away at her other home somewhere down South, I looked after the place. (The photo in the post above.)
I have a clock just like the one Kristie had on top of my fireplace mantle. Only mine works. I'm not certain, but I don't think the Maplecroft clock worked. At least I never heard it. Those type of clocks, Adamandine Clocks, were popular at the turn of the century being around circa 1910![Smile :smile:](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
While she was away at her other home somewhere down South, I looked after the place. (The photo in the post above.)
I have a clock just like the one Kristie had on top of my fireplace mantle. Only mine works. I'm not certain, but I don't think the Maplecroft clock worked. At least I never heard it. Those type of clocks, Adamandine Clocks, were popular at the turn of the century being around circa 1910
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If I am to believe in the Paranomal, I will say that it is people that are haunted, not places. (like Malecorft)
Back in the 70s one of our favorite pastimes was "Spirit of the Glass."
There was an alphabet ring set up like a circle, on a table with a shot glass in the middle. Everyone would place their finger on the glass and we would ask the spirit questions. The glass would move from one letter to another and spell out what the spirit wanted to say. The only time it worked well] was when Maureen participated. I always thought that it was Maureen that was haunted. I would shout out to her: "Maureen, don't push the glass." She would reply. " I am not." And indeed I noticed that she was barely touching it.yet the glass would always spell out something mysterious.
Maureen was haunted. That is the only explanation I had at the time. And if there is any truth to it, it is what I believe.
Back in the 70s one of our favorite pastimes was "Spirit of the Glass."
There was an alphabet ring set up like a circle, on a table with a shot glass in the middle. Everyone would place their finger on the glass and we would ask the spirit questions. The glass would move from one letter to another and spell out what the spirit wanted to say. The only time it worked well] was when Maureen participated. I always thought that it was Maureen that was haunted. I would shout out to her: "Maureen, don't push the glass." She would reply. " I am not." And indeed I noticed that she was barely touching it.yet the glass would always spell out something mysterious.
Maureen was haunted. That is the only explanation I had at the time. And if there is any truth to it, it is what I believe.
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So here's a Maureen haunting of sorts.
I lived in a small apartment back in the early 70s and there was always a party. At times I would wake up in the morning (hangover and all) and there would one or two other people sleeping in my bed, or someone in the kitchen making breakfast and I had no idea who they were. New friends, who after they left, I would never see again. Word got around that a party was going on and strangers would just show up. More than likely a friend of mine would know them, or of them etc.
During one party we were indulging in Spirit of the Glass. Maureen was there and the glass was very active. It said that it wanted to talk to Tim. Know one knew who Tim was until someone in the room, no one knew who he was either, hollered across the apartment to his associate, "Hey Tim. The glass wants to talk to you. No one knew who Tim was except for his companion and no one at the table working the glass knew who he was.
We asked the glass what the message for Tim was. It spelled out, "I love you." We all had a good laugh.
We asked the glass who it loved. It replied "Tim". Everyone laughed and laughed.
Then we asked the glass who was speaking And it spelled out, Allen.
Tim began to cry and left the apartment quickly. We discovered later that his father died recently and his name was Allen. How we did it is unexplainable. One of those mysteries. There were others sessions just as mysterious. And always Maureen participated.
Maureen was haunted.
(I can't remember what Tim's real name was or the spirit's name, Allen? The story was as close as I remember it. Had to be around 50 years ago. The spirit of the glass sessions were probably my only experience with the paranormal, if we can call it that, for which I had/have no explanation.)
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That’s very interesting, thanks MB. We did OUIJA a lot when I was about 16. I thought I could write a screenplay out of the melodrama we created! Three 16 year-old girls! It was an ongoing saga, and I don’t know how it happened. I would have called it “The Night of the Knife.”
Edit here: there was no real knife, just a reenactment by someone in”trance”, with, I think, a vivid imagination. No one hurt, and we stopped after that.
I was laughing tho when you said your clock works but not the one at Maplecroft.![sally laugh :peanut19:](./images/smilies/SallyLaughing.gif)
But beautiful work you’ve done on yr fireplace-
Wow!
Edit here: there was no real knife, just a reenactment by someone in”trance”, with, I think, a vivid imagination. No one hurt, and we stopped after that.
I was laughing tho when you said your clock works but not the one at Maplecroft.
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Yes Kat:
About the clock at Maplecroft—
It only makes sense—
Lizzie is long dead.
Why should the clock go on?
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I think that Lee-Ann was one of the best people to listen to regarding both the murders and the paranormal in the house. I'll never forget that quality you talk about when Dead Files came in and it was written all over Lee-Ann's face that she thought the psychic was saying BS, but she kept her mouth shut and acted with dignity, as you said. I still think of her and hope that she is resting in peace. Sylvia must have gotten the Borden House mixed up with the Sally House...Kat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 31, 2023 1:50 am BTW Sylvia threw out the name “Sally” as a haunter, but the Sally I heard about was Sally McGinn.
Maybe, if Sylvia is *reading* something, it’s previous tenants, owners who lived there, not Bordens at all!
She says Lizzie was “crazy.” I will never know why Montel put up with her.
Ah, but Lee-Ann has such dignity…did not argue at all.
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Nice to have you back!
I actually really miss Lee-Ann: by that, I mean I think of her often and feel grateful to have known her, and have great respect for her from the first time I met her, 2004.
Were you friends with her?
I actually really miss Lee-Ann: by that, I mean I think of her often and feel grateful to have known her, and have great respect for her from the first time I met her, 2004.
Were you friends with her?
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I happen to like Long Island Medium, and she is starting a new season soon, and tonight at 8pm, channel TLC, is a marathon til 4 am of episodes of her old show.