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Victorian Mourning and Lizzie

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There is quite a bit of info written out there on the customs of Victorian mourning, the rituals, the time amounts, etc. One thing always stands out in my mind and that is how Lizzie didn't seem to pay heed to standard of Victorian mourning garb.

From THE EVENING STANDARD Saturday-August 6, 1892-page 6:

"Miss Lizzie and Miss Emma Borden were of course the principal mourners. Miss Lizzie went out of the house first leaning on Undertaker Winward's arm. She was self-conscious, but her nerves were completely unstrung, as was shown by the great trembling of her body and the manner in which she bore down on her supporter. When she reached her carriage she fell back exhausted on the cushions. Miss Emma, the other sister, was much calmer and she walked quickly and took her seat without hardly glancing at the crowds staring at her.

Miss Lizzie Borden appeared as a very pretty woman and quiet fresh. Her face showed traces of the suffering she has borne for three days. Both ladies were without veils."

A female reporter for the Boston Herald describes Lizzie's dress as such:

"She wore a tight fitting black lace dress with a plain skirt and waist of equally modest cut and finish, while a dark hat, trimmed with similar material, rested upon her head."

Once again, no mention of a veil, which seems to be the norm for the time period.

From the Ladies Home Journal 1895:

"As was the custom, she would have added a crepe veil that she would pull over her face whenever she went out for the first three months of her mourning.

The crepe veil would have reached to her waist in the front and in the back.

After that, she could throw the front portion over the back of her head so it draped artistically and just worn a short net veil in front."

There were three stages to Victorian mourning for women; Full Mourning, Second Mourning and Half Mourning. Beginning with the funeral of her parents, Lizzie should have been in Full Mourning.

"Full mourning, a period of a year and one day, was represented with dull black clothing without ornament. The most recognizable portion of this stage was the weeping veil of black crepe. If a women had no means of income and small children to support, marriage was allowed after this period. There are cases of women returning to black clothing on the day after marrying again.

Second mourning, a period of nine months, allowed for minor ornamentation by implementing fabric trim and mourning jewelry. The main dress was still made from a lusterless cloth. The veil was lifted and worn back over the head. Elderly widows frequently remained in mourning for the rest of their lives.

Half mourning lasted from three to six months and was represented by more elaborate fabrics used as trim. Gradually easing back into color was expected coming out of half mourning. All manor of jewelry could be worn.

Mourning for parents ranked next to that of widows; children mourning for their parents or parents for children being identical. One year was the standard length: six months in crepe, three in second, and three in half mourning. Second mourning, without full mourning, is suitable for parents-in-law. After one month in black, lilac should follow."

From this site:http://www.morbidoutlook.com/fashion/hi ... mourn.html

On the Friday of Lizzie's arrest, the description of her clothing follows as such: Lizzie was dressed in a dark blue suit and a pert black hat with a tiny spray of red flowers in the front and a dark blue half veil. I've also seen the hat as described as having small red cherries on it. Doesn't sound like the typical mourning garb or veil Lizzie should have been wearing.

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At Lizzie's Trial, she seems to have worn 2 different outfits, from the courtroom drawings they look completely different. It sounds at this point as though Lizzie was in Half Mourning. There are these 2 drawings of Lizzie, this one with Emma and her in the lower left hand corner:

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And this one:

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Which looks to be the same outfit, the only description I could find of it was in Lincoln's A Private Disgrace, page 211:

"Emma wre mourning; she looked drawn and tense. Lizzie wore blue with red trimmings, and her manner was composed.

Which sounds like it may have not have been suitable for Half Mourning. If Lincoln is correct in her description, the dress sounds too loud. Then there is the black lace dress Lizzie wore to the Trial which seems to be her standard outfit from then on. This dress sounds like the correct type of garment worn by a grieving daughter in Half Mourning. The description sounds much like the dress Lizzie wore to her parent's funeral.

From Kent's Forthy Whacks, page 93:

"She was dressed in black save for a blue plume of feathers in her hat, two blue velvet rosettes in her hair, and an enamelled pansy pin at her throat."

I have also seen it written that Lizzie alternated the pansy pin with a brooch with a child's face on it. This black lace dress dress with small touchs of blue sounds like the only appropriate outfit worn at the approriate time that Lizzie ever wore during her mourning period. If this is the same dress worn the day of her parent's funeral, it was fine, Lizzie just needed to add a veil and she would have been set. There are many pictures of this dress with its lace cape effect and the small chic hat, still no veils for Miss Lizzie though.

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All photos from the LBVM&L site. :wink:
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Great post Susan, well put together.

When Lizzie arrived for the inquest her outfit was commented on in the Evening Standard, August 10, page 2:

".... They arrived at the police station at 2 o'clock. A large crowd was waiting to see who was in the carriage. Miss Borden, who was dressed in black, but not deep mourning, got out of the hack last. She was pallid and bit her nether lip as she went through the crowd, but she stepped lightly and entered the door without assistance."
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Thanks, Harry, and thanks for the info! It sounds like Lizzie went in and out of mourning garb as the mood suited her(no pun intended). One moment in black, the next in blue, then back to black again. Never once did she affect a mourning veil which I think would have been perfect for her, it would have hid her face from the curious onlookers at the funeral, etc., no one would know whether she cried or not. I would think by the Trial she would have at least worn a half veil, it looks and sounds like some of the ladies did. Was it Anna Borden who was asked to raise her veil while testifying? :roll:
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There is also this in Spiering (ugh!), page 114:

"It was Monday, June 5th, 1893. Temporary barricade fences had been set up all around the building to control the crowds, but the crush of spectators struggling to enter the building proved overwhelming.

By eleven twenty-five a.m. it was insufferably hot when Lizzie was taken from an adjacent detention room and led to the bar to be tried. Her gown was stylish, but black. In her hand she clutched a long black fan, which she kept closed and stiffly upright as if it were a small baton, its tip barely touching her check.

It was carefully observed by the reporters present that, for the first time since the murders, Lizzie had gone into mourning."

There is a reference to LIzzie wearing a veil on one of her trips from the Taunton jail but I don't remember any other time.

What would be a chore to do is to list all the outfits Lizzie wore. The newspapers had quite a ball doing just that. Maybe if I find the time I'll tackle the job --- just don't call me Phil Harrington if I do!!!
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Very interesting posts here, thanks Susan and Harry. I wonder what was going through Lizzie's
mind when she dressed each day? Should I wear
the Pansy pin? This is another good example of
"brat Lizzie"..she did just what suited her at any
moment. The strict mourning rules were obviously
not followed by our Lizzie
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That post is simply marvelous. Susan, your posts are always interesting and filled with photos, web links and wonderful information!

Thank you.

I did find this link:
http://www.wotoandwife.bc.ca/vintage1.htm

Some interesting clothing
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Thanks, Harry, I wonder if that may be the first dress that Lizzie wore to the courtroom? Not blue with red trim as Lincoln stated? From those drawings of Lizzie in the first courtroom dress, it looks lighter than Emma's black. I've looked through the newspaper reports on the LBVM&L site, but, if you can possibly find more info on Lizzie's dresses during this time period, I would love to see what you can find. And no, no Harrington for you. :grin:


Yes, Nancie, Lizzie seemed to do as she pleased when it came to mourning. In her defense, Lizzie gave an interview while in jail to the New York Recorder, September 20, 1892:

"As to our not putting on mourning, of which people spoke unfavorably, there was not a moment when I could think of such a thing as a hat or dress. Somebody was talking to me, it seemed, all the time about the murder and asking me questions, and I could not think of anything else. I don't suppose we would have put it on anyway, because my father was very much opposed to the practice, and had always expressed himself to us so."

Yet, everytime Lizzie was seen in public during this time period, she seemed stylishly dressed, that definitely took some thought. Hmmm..... :roll:


You're welcome, Audrey, glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for the link, those mourning veils are gorgeous! :cool:
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That was very interesting Susan! Thank you!
I have here next to me a flyer for my local Historical Society who is putting on a show called:
Final Respects: Victorian Mourning & Funeral Customs.
"A look at Victorian cultural traditions in the Waterhouse Residence Museum, this exhibit displays the history and emotion of Victorian mourning and funeral customs. With stories, artifacts, and textiles from the Waterhouse family and other...pioneer families, this display offers detailed examples of Victorian funerals, women in mourning, social customs and more."

It started with "An Irish Wake" on St. Patricks day. I was going to go today but the weather was too nice!
Twilight Zone music here. :shock:

I still should go, I suppose, but your post was very satisfying!

BTW: Let's not forget Lizzie's first change and choice of clothing after she retired to her room after she raised the alarum and the authorities took over.
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I just finished reading Lincoln. She seemed to stress the point several times that Lizzie did not wear mourning clothes until the trial and that Robinson made her do it. Some of the posts above seem to indicate otherwise, though.
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You're welcome, Kat, glad it satisfied for the time being! Yes, sounds like we've got some weird psychic link going on here, Twilight Zone music is very appropriate! That sounds like a very interesting exhibit to go see, I love stuff like that.

Yes, you're right about Lizzie's first change of clothing after the murders, she put on that pink and white stripe wrapper with the red ribbon belt. Granted she was at home and felt sick and needed to rest, and granted that she may have been in some sort of shock and wasn't thinking about mourning gear as yet, but, what a garish choice of clothing directly after the murders! :shock:

Yes, FairhavenGuy, from what Harry has posted and what I could find, Lizzie only wore mourning the day of the funeral and then when she was at the trial. I definitely wouldn't rely on Lincoln for info, she has gotten me into more trouble believing some of the things she has written! :wink:
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There might be some courtroom rule that the defendent , a woman, cannot wear a veil.
Isn't there some reasoning behind that like *The State & the jury looks upon the prisoner and the prisoner looks upon the State & the jury"?

Note in the drawings, Miss Collet has on a veil and so does Miss Russell.
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Susan, I know that neither Lincoln nor any author can be trusted 100%. Interestingly, the very used paperback I borrowed from the library had lots of underlinings and notes by some previous reader. There were things like "This is NONSENSE!" scribbled all over the place. We learn a lot more about Lincoln than Lizzie from that book.
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Thats a good point, Kat about the defendent with a veil, I don't know the answer to that. I would imagine if Lizzie wore one, she could be asked at the proper moments to lift it.

I did answer my own question about Anna Borden: From the Trial Vol 2, pg 1170

Mr. Moody addressing Anna Borden

Mr. Moody-Be good enough to lift your veil.

Sounds like Anna may have been wearing one of the longer or mourning types of veils, I don't recall any of the other ladies being asked to lift theirs. :roll:


Yes, FairhavenGuy, on that you are 100% correct. Lincoln has always been one of my favorite books on Lizzie and I unfortunately swallowed her story whole. I've had to do a lot of unlearning. I love that someone had written notes in the copy you borrowed, wish I had had that in my copy when I bought it, might have made me question more what was in there. :wink:
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I concur with the congratulations and thanks to you, Susan, what a great post with really interesting info!! Makes me feel like a piker, cause I just absorb all the info from your and others' first-rate research. You have sparked an insight in me--"Lizzie as flaunter of societal norms"--or something like that. In many ways she seems to have exhibited a lot of "je m'en foutisme" (ask Audrey what that means!!) Basically it means "I don't-give-a-damn-itis." I don't have time now to think of examples, but over and over again she flaunts accepted norms and protocols. This character trait of hers would have served her well in her ability to go about "business as normal" after "the affair." I opine that it was operative in the murders, whether or not she actually did the deed. I am talking about that quality which makes us all want to say, "Way to go, Lizzie!!"
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Here's what I dug out of the Evening Standard on Lizzie's attire. It is mainly for the Preliminary hearing;

Wednesday, August 10, 1892 Page 2 [Arrival at the Inquest]

“Miss Borden, who was dressed in black, but not deep mourning, got out of the hack last. She was pallid and bit her nether lip as she went through the crowd, but she stepped lightly and entered the door without assistance.”

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Friday, August 12, 1892 Page 1 [Lizzie arraigned before Judge Blaisdell]

“Miss Borden was dressed in a dark blue tailor-made gown and wore a black lace hat adorned with a few red berries. “

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Saturday, August 13, 1892 Page 2 [Leaving for the Taunton jail.]

“She was prettily dressed and appeared quite prepossessing. She wore a blue dress of new design, and wore a short blue veil. … Rev. Mr. Buck carried a box containing a number of religious and other papers and magazines, and also some books. A telescope bag containing Miss Borden's apparel was placed in the cars. “

From the Rochester, NY paper the same day: “Miss Borden was neatly attired in a blue dress and a black velvet bonnet, the latter partially covered by a blue veil.”

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Monday, August 22, 1892 Page 1 [Lizzie brought to Fall River for the Prelim.]

“She was dressed in the same blue cloth suit she wore when taken to Taunton a week ago and her face was covered by a thin blue veil.”

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Thursday, August 25, 1892 Page 1 [During the Preliminary]

“Lizzie Borden came into the court room with her intimate friends and occupied a seat close to her counsel. She was dressed in the same suit of blue she wore on Monday and did not seem abashed at the large crowd present.”

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Friday, August 26, 1892 Page 2 [During the Preliminary]

“She wore the blue serge, which has now become famous, and a small black lace toque trimmed with ribbons, also black kid gloves.”

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Saturday, August 27, 1892 Page 1 [During the Preliminary]

“Lizzie and Emma Borden, dressed as in other days, except that Lizzie had a bright colored Paisley shawl over her shoulders, were escorted to seats by Pastor Buck.”

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Tuesday, August 30, 1892 Page 2 [During the Preliminary]

“In addition to her usual attire she had on a stylish black tailor reefer, embellished with braid.”

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Thursday, September 1, 1892 Page 3 [Last day of the Preliminary]

“Upon being seated an old fashioned cashmere shawl was thrown over her shoulders, and strangely enough she wore it all the morning session though her dress is a thick one for the season. The court room was warm and most of the women there were comfortable in cotton waists, but the prisoner dressed in woolen required a shawl. Lizzie Borden seems to make it a specialty to keep cool when other people are warm or excited.”

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June 5, 1893 Page 4, col. 3. [Beginning of the trial]

“She was attired in a new dress of black mohair cut in the latest style, with leg of mutton sleeves, and which fitted her by no means inferior form to perfection. Upon her head was a jaunty black lace hat trimmed with rosettes of blue velvet and a blue feather. She appeared wholly unmindful of the fact that everyone's gaze was directed toward her, and was apparently all together unembarrassed.”

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June 21, 1893 Page 3, col. 5. [At the Holmes’ house after the acquittal]

“Lizzie is looking better than ever before. She was dressed in a black silk dress and was smiling pleasantly while conversing with everybody. She said she had a pleasant journey from New Bedford, being on the road a little over an hour.”
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wow black mohair and black silk in the month
of June! this thread is very interesting, thanks for
all the research
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Thanks Harry and Susan!
That's a lot of good info.
Wouldn't it be interesting to know what Emma was wearing?
So it sounds like Lizzie didn't mind repeating her clothes, just like Uncle Morse and possibly Andrew. I wonder why?
Maybe she was counseled to not dress conspiciously or as if she had access to wealth.
:smile:

Harry, my "Legal Timeline" says that Lizzie was arraigned Friday and then sent to Taunton.
AUG. 9-11   INQUEST

AUG. 11   Lizzie Borden Arrested- new warrant- stayed overnight in Fall River jail

AUG. 12   Arraigned- "probable cause"- pleaded "not guilty" - sent to Taunton , Friday.

I do recall she cried Friday night and I believe the doctor was sent for? In Taunton.
Is it possible your news item was for Saturday, reporting for events of the day before?
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I just copied the dates and the articles. It wasn't intended to be anything else other than a list of what she wore and the approx. time period.

The dates would depend whether it was a morning or evening edition. The Evening Standard never listed that info. that I could find.
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Thanks for the reply.
I've looked it up so many times I don't wish to do it again.
I am pretty confident Lizzie was moved Friday.
You're right tho, it doesn't change what she wore!
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You're welcome, Robert Harry, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Yes, Lizzie did seem to flaunt convention during her life, I've wondered if this was due to the changing roles of women in society, Victorian women's lib, or was this just her?

I thought of another instance that has been commented on, Lizzie having the name Maplecroft carved into the granite of her front steps. It sounds like something that just wasn't done.


Thank you so much, Harry! Sounds like Lizzie got alot of use out of that blue suit of hers! I wonder now if there was any truth to Lincoln's statement about Lizzie being told by her counsel to start dressing in mourning? A new black mohair dress? When did she have it made, in Taunton? That would be interesting to find out. :roll:
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Well, it makes sense. Lizzie and Emma had 10 months to kill and being fitted for her black dress might have whiled away some time.
I wonder if Lizzie was measured in jail and if they searched the seamstress when she came and left?
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Yes, I was wondering if Lizzie would be allowed the privilege of a dressmaker in jail or if Emma, who seemed to be a frequent visitor, took Lizzie's measurements and had a dressmaker whip up a new dress for her? If it was in jail, can't you just see the intimate little sewing party going on, Lizzie, Emma and the seamstress suddenly interrupted by clanging on the bars, "Okay, Miss Borden, dress or no dress, lights out in 10 minutes!" :shock:
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She probably had to have some new dresses made. This little blurb appeared in the Rochester & Chronicle newspaper on Monday, June 12, 1893:

"It will interest both sexes to hear then Bridget SULLIVAN, as she visits her friends in the kitchens on the hill, is fond of saying that she scarcely knew Lizzie BORDEN when she saw her in court the first day, she has grown so fat. Evidently, as the district attorney would say, prison fare is better than the routine of mutton, cold soup, cookies and green peas she used to get in her cheerless home in Fall River."

How true this specific article is I have no idea or whether it was written by Rochester reporter or from the news service.

I do remember the dressmaker saying that Lizzie normally had her dresses fitted closely and that would leave little room for expansion.

Sending out for those orange sherberts didn't help.
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Can't hardly blame Lizzie for saying "to hell with
my figure" while in jail. I was thinking about what
Robert Harry wrote, the attitude of Lizzie, she was most defititely her own person and her dress during
mourning reflects that too. Maybe that is why many of us I've noticed on this forum like Dorothy Parker, "What fresh hell is this?" She was of the same rebellious mold long before that was even thought of being ok for a woman, yet Dorothy and Lizzie held on to their upbringing and followed the rules the best they could. I'm going to the 100th anniversary of the "round table" June 13 in NYC. There are so many DP fans, as LB fans! I think it is
because we like women like that, as Robert Harry said "GO LIZZIE!" (ps: I don't think Lizzie killed anybody)
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Posted in error.
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Yes, Nancie, there is something about Lizzie that we just have to cheer her on. Whether she actually killed or not, she certainly ended up getting her way (though I do think she must have felt a certain emptiness--but then, maybe i'm reading into her). I do think her guilty. WHile I visited the house, someone had a theory that Morse killed Abby, and that this alone was the planned crime (motive: during the "break-in" of 1891, Lizzie discovered the will and found it lacking). Andrew came home early and surprised everyone and either found the killer in the kitchen, or saw the ladies cleaning up, so Lizzie had no choice but to don her father's Prince Edward jacket backwards and whack him herself and then tuck the jacket under his head on the sofa. I don't say I subscribe to this theory, but I do think her guilty in some way. BTW, I love DP too tho I'm just beginning to discover her. I live in NYC so maybe I'll check out the celebration you're talking about.
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Hi Robert-Harry, the Morse killed Abby theory is
very plausible. Then someone else killed Andrew.
I think it was Augusta who just threw out the thought: what IF the bizzare circumstances of Lizzie
really not knowing anything were true! It could be,
people win the lottery everyday, Miracles happen.
I change my mind all the time on this case, I love that aspect of it. My sister and I are going on the
Dorothy Parker 85th anniversary walking tour with
lunch at the Algonquin on June 13, meet at the Algonquin at noon. (yikes I hope I don't get arrested for this by the OT Police)
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