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The Buddy Holly Curse

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Check out this link.

Talk about nonsense. Many of the people on this list had only remote ties with Buddy Holly and some of them died about 20, 30 or 40 years later, big deal.

You could pick out several people, who have passed away, that have distant links like that connecting them to anyone and call it a curse.

Some of the connections between the people on this list and Holly are not what you would even call connections.

It's like saying some guy sang one of Buddy Holly's songs and 35 years later "he died."

Arrgggggg, I wouldn't mess with that.

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Buddy Holly still has family living here in Lubbock. I have met 1 of his brothers and I have also met his wife Maria along with the "real" Peggy Sue who used to live 1 street over from me on 1st st. It's amazing though that we talk about no one caring to save anything of historical significance in Fall River......but it's the same here also. The birthplace and childhood home of Buddy on 6th st. (now Mac Davis Drive) is dab smack in the middle of the clothing section of a new Super Wal-Mart. Now thats progress for ya. :roll: Buddy is buried here in Lubbock alongside his parents. We used to have a Buddy Holly Plaza a few feet away from his birthplace on Ave Q and 6th st. with a HUGE statue of Buddy but Maria put a stop to that and made the city take it down and remove the name of Buddy Holly from the plaza because they wouldnt pay her a yearly ridiculous sum of money for use (rent) of his name.
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Do you know were Buddy's car is ? Years ago I seen an article in a magazine where they found his 1958 Chevy Impala, I think it was. The article had a picture of Peggy Sue standing next to the car. They said they were going to restore it. I heard somewhere that it was in a museum.
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The "curse" of King Tut was exposed as a fraud awhile back. It bugs me when some "link" between people becomes a "curse" and then excepted as "fact." I saw a photo of the plane crash with a body lying in the snow but I can't imagine there being a "curse" about it. Planes crash all the time.

I can understand people being killed or dying under mysterious circumstances after witnessing a crime to keep their mouths shut but that is just criminal in nature. I have a book called, "The Kennedy Curse." I can't see any "curse" in the tragedies that hit that family:

Joe Kennedy Jr. died in WWII while in a plane loaded with bombs. Happened all the time. It was war time. No curse.

Kathleen Kennedy died because she pushed the pilot to fly in bad weather. Just Stupidity. No curse.

Rosemary Kennedy was forced by her dominating father into having a lobotomy which was botched up by the doctor performing it. No curse.

John F. Kennedy was a man in power who pissed off a lot of people like Cuba, the Mob, and the Military. They all had something to gain by his death. No curse.

Robert Kennedy tried to rub out the Mob and probably would have continued to try if elected. The Mob and who knows who else had something to gain by killing him. No curse.

Ted Kennedy was a careless driver who was probably drunk, missed a bridge and ended up visiting some fish. His lack of concern, lack of guts and his stupidity got the young woman killed. No curse.

John Kennedy Jr. died like his aunt in a plane he should not have been flying at that time. No curse there either.

I found that the media can make people believe anything if they present it in a "factual" manner and repeat it often enough while ignoring experts who do have the true facts. Now there's the "curse!" :grin:


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His car is right here in Lubbock.

Buddy Holly's '58 Impala Found in Texas--By Chris Mc Loone. March 1999
LUBBOCK, Texas­In Buddy Holly's home town, it's not uncommon for someone to claim he or she has an item that once belonged to the music legend. So about 15 years ago, when a man offered Buddy Holly's '58 Chevy Impala to Bill Clement, he didn't pay much attention. "That's a running joke around these parts," says Clement, owner of Lubbock's 1950s radio station--1590 AM KDAV--and a 400-piece Chevrolet car collection. "Everybody's got Buddy Holly's everything."

But about a year later, the man called Clement again and said that he had to get rid of the car, and reiterated that it had once been Holly's car. Clement's interest was piqued and, after some investigating, he discovered that the car had actually belonged to Buddy Holly. With the Chevy in his possession, Clement set out to find a collision repair shop to restore the car, and a true labor-of-love story began.

Proving the Authenticity

After he received the second call, Clement contacted Holly's brother, Larry, to find out if Holly had ever owned a '58 Chevy. Larry Holly checked with his mother, who confirmed that her son had indeed owned a 1958 Chevy Impala, and she had the title to prove it. Larry Holly delivered it to Clement, who went to take a look at the vehicle. Clement found the car at the bottom of a pile of wrecks at a body shop storage yard. Using a dentist's mirror to get a look at the manufacturer's plate inside the car, he found that the last four numbers on the plate matched those on the title.

Clement later learned that in the early '70s, the owner of the body shop had received a call from a man claiming that his car had been hit in the rear. The person who'd run into the car had insurance, so the man who had possession of the car brought it to the shop and the insurance company agreed to pay for the damages. The problem was that the individual who had the car did not have the title.

At the time of the collision, says Clement, Holly's father still technically owned the car, and it is unclear how the person who possessed the car came to have it. Holly's father signed an affidavit so that this individual could get the car fixed. But after the insurance company issued a check, the man who had brought the wreck to the shop took the money and abandoned the car.

Clement now has the title as well as the canceled check drawn on Buddy Holly and the Crickets' account to purchase the car. "And I've got a lot of paperwork from years gone by that substantiates the ownership chain," says Clement.

Once he acquired the car, Clement had to decide what to do with it. "I've had it for 10 years just sitting, trying to decide the best way to show the car because it's rough," says Clement. "It still had the original paint--original everything--but it was very rough. We finally decided to do a restoration on it after a lot of [input from various parties]. It still has Buddy's hand print on it somewhere. It will be his car, but it will be a restoration--kind of like the axe that Washington used to cut down the cherry tree. It's had two handles and three heads subsequently, but it's still the original axe."

Restoring the Car

The car languished in that pile of wrecks for about 15 years after being abandoned. According to Clement, as soon as the body shop owner realized he was stuck with the car, he began to remove useable items such as the battery, tires, carburetor and seats. The car was badly damaged in both the front and rear, and the trunk was rusted through.

Now, several people are playing a role in restoring the car, which resides at Bigham Automotive and Electric Inc. under the care of Rick Bigham. The engine sits at Dubose Automotive and Machine, where technicians are working to rebuild it. Bigham came to Clement and offered to work on the car for free. "It's a matter of keeping Lubbock on the map, a matter of restoring history," says Bigham. "It will never become a private gain thing. We just don't want this to go away. I'm having fun with this. There are a lot of '58 Chevrolets around, but there's only one Buddy Holly car. It's kind of a labor-of-love type thing."

Volunteer State Chevy Parts, located in Tennessee, is contributing parts for the car. "It seemed like the thing to do," says Don Trevitt, owner of the business. "We manufacture some of the '58 stuff. It seems like a fun project. There are few things left that we get to do that are actually fun, and this may be one of them." So far, Trevitt's company has donated sheet metal and taillights. Clement has worked with Trevitt in the past to obtain the rare parts in which Volunteer State Chevy Parts specializes. "That's how he got us to jump on board," explains Trevitt.

After the Rebirth

Since the car's existence became public, there has been some outside interest in purchasing the car. One casino owner in Reno called Clement with the idea of restoring the car, putting it on display at the casino and creating a '50s musical revue with Buddy Holly, the Big Bopper, Richie Valens and the car as the centerpiece. Another group from England came to Lubbock to take a look at the car, among them the president of the English Buddy Holly Fan Club who proposed buying the car in "as-is" condition for a "ridiculous amount of money," according to Clement. Although he stood to make a lot of money on either deal, Clement declined both.

Plans for the car now include constructing a glass "building" in a vacant lot adjacent to Clement's radio station, or adding the car to a museum that is being built across the street from the radio station. Buddy Holly's story will be a part of the museum when it is completed.

Clement also hopes to have the car ready for the town's annual Buddy Holly birthday party so attendees will be able to have pictures taken with the car ... and ensure that this piece of memorabilia will continue to keep Buddy Holly's memory alive.
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SteveS, Thanks for the information on Buddy's car.

I like the part of the curse with Gary Busey. It says he had a near fatal motorcycle accident after filming the movie the "Buddy Holly Story." They don't mention that he had the accident 11 years after he filmed it. Also he wasn't wearing a helment, that's why his injuries were so serious.

I still have on video tape the tribute to Buddy Holly that was on TV in 1989 for the 30th anaversary of the plane crash. It showed an interview with buddy's mom, his 2 brothers and his sister. It also showed his house which I guess was his parents house. Is that the same house where the wallmart is or is it a different house?
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That was the house were the Wal-mart now stands.
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Does anyone know exactly what it was, medically speaking, that killed Buddy Holly? Was it head injuries or massive bleeding or something else? I have seen photos of the wreck with one body outside the plane but I never read any autopsy reports on the victims.


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1bigsteve @ Tue Aug 11, 2009 8:34 am wrote:Does anyone know exactly what it was, medically speaking, that killed Buddy Holly? Was it head injuries or massive bleeding or something else? I have seen photos of the wreck with one body outside the plane but I never read any autopsy reports on the victims.


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According to this web site, he died from gross trauma to his brain:
http://www.findadeath.com/Deceased/h/Bu ... y%20DC.JPG

Here is the coroner's report for Buddy Holly:
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/articl ... Y/81219014

I also found this article interesting... The Mysterious Death of Buddy Holly:
http://www.classicbands.com/MysteryofBuddyHolly.html
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Thanks Judy, I'll check these sites out. I had often wondered what actually killed him. Thanks again.


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You're welcome, Steve. :grin:
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Re: The Buddy Holly Curse

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Hello Headdawellz, welcome to the forum.

I'm curious as to why you believe you are, or may be, cursed? What did your grandfather say about Buddy Holly?

I would like to see the pictures of your grandfather with Nikke Sullivan (I assume you mean Nikki Sullivan). Would you mind uploading them for us?

If you happen to find a better story of the Buddy Holly curse, I hope you will share it with us.
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