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Does anyone know off hand of any other cases similar to Lizzie Borden's? Not any that deal with children or Jack the Ripper... I'm interested in studying others.
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Marilyn Sheppard immediately pops to mind and also the Keddie murders, JonBenet, the death of Augustus Caesar. And my favorite - the Villisca Axe murders!!! Jeffrey MacDonald's case has some similarities except he was convicted. The New Orleans Axeman and the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa aren't all that similar but still fascinating. :smiliecolors:

One of the better books I've read about serial killers is Through the Window by Diane Fanning. She writes about Tommy Lynn Sells...really gets into his mind via his behavior. Murdered in Their Beds by Troy Taylor is a great read about the Villisca Axe Murders until he extrapolates a theory in the final chapters. Even so, the factual research makes me want to lock the doors and sleep with the 12 gauge under the bed and a .357 LadySmith in the nightstand...except for the part about the victims never even being awakened before the bludgeoning began.

Maybe just get a good pair of sentinel dogs...Lachons wearing their Thundershirts.
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Debbie, it’s interesting that you mentioned Jeffrey Dahmer, which brought back a couple of memories for me.

Shortly after he was convicted, I had a mandatory class that I attended in Milwaukee, WI. During a break I learned that the building this class was held in was three blocks away from the apartment building Jeffrey occupied during his killing spree.

As if that wasn’t creepy enough, a friend of mine who worked at the Univerity of Wisconsin Morgue, told me that people were so afraid of Jeffrey Dahmer that he was shackled at the time his autopsy was performed.

Here are a couple of newspaper articles verifying that he was indeed shackled.

Ludington Daily News, March 18, 1995: http://tinyurl.com/q97vy2z

The Associated Press, Mar. 17, 1995: http://tinyurl.com/pdczg9y
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Interesting...there are many books/movies/true accounts of prison escapes via ambulance and hearse so maybe their fear was that Dahmer had somehow faked his own death, sort of like Juliet Capulet except for the sake of cannibalism not star-crossed love. Another thought is that authorities feared Dahmer's body would be stolen and desecrated, displayed or even parted out for sale.
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Thanks Debbie!

I just read an article about the guy who killed Dahmer while in prison. Dhamer was kept in a cell alone (the authorities feared for his safety). Short story is that he (Dahmer) and 2 others were given a cleaning job in the showers. The guy killed Dahmer and the other guy. He claimed that the guards literally put him up to it. He was already serving a life sentence so he didn't see any problem in doing it because everyone hated Dahmer.
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The most recent unsolved murder that truly haunts me (I Google several times a week to see if there's been a breakthrough) is of 19 year old Jessica Chambers who had gasoline poured down her throat and on her body and was then burned to death in her car along a rural Panola County, Mississippi, road. This happened on the evening of December 6, and according to reliable sources she lived long enough to identify her killer to emergency personnel. Yet no arrests.
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Interesting. A horrible way to die! Probably no arrest because they think she was delusional?
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The murder of Jessica Chambers is a lot more hideous than most of the homicide cases I have ever studied. It is unbelievable that anyone could do such an ATROCIOUS thing to another human being.

The thing that really surprises me is the fact that Courtland, MS. is such a small town and no one knows anything about this murder??? I am from a small town of 2500 residents, which is considerably larger than Courtland; believe me, people talk, everyone knows everyone else, so to have the entire town being so closed lipped is unheard of.

Her death was not a random act; it’s obviously personal, and she most likely knew the person who killed her. I think there is a lot more that Jessica was involved in, than we are being told.

It has been almost 6 months now since her murder. At this point in time, I think Jessica’s death is going to be another unsolved mystery.
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Maybe I'll look it up. I've got a lot going on here and so many interesting things to read and write.
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Ditto Twins...my exact sentiments. Awhile back even Anonymous got involved, hacked into phones and computers and claimed there was a cover-up due to gang involvement. Surprisingly (to me) Jessica's parents, who seem truly grief-stricken, are not beating the drum all that hard to find their daughter's killer. Jessica is on surveillance camera at a local convenience store about 30 minutes prior to her body being found fully engulfed in flames - on camera with someone who appears to leave at the same time. Supposedly she named a name. I, too, come from a small town. From this small town girl's perspective (lol the 'girl' part... :smiliecolors: ) the people of Panola County are terrified to tell the truth.
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I agree, Debbie. IMO, the residents of Courtland are beyond terrified to say anything! However, Jessica Chambers’ ex-boyfriend, Bryan Rudd, who no longer lives in MS, is talking and says some things which lead me to believe Jessica and her father were involved in some very risky things. Partial things taken from article:

• He says that Jessica Chambers was gang raped twice in Courtland, MS by a group of black males.
• Jessica Chambers dated a black male who abused her.
• Rudd also accuses Ben Chambers of killing his brother, who died in a single car accident. Rudd claims that Ben Chambers sold meth and may have killed a rival meth dealer named “chicken.” He also claims that Chambers might have killed another man in self-defense at a bar.


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The more I study the murder of Jessica Chambers, the more I become convinced that the motive for the perpetrator may not have been against Jessica for anything she did or said, but someone close to her, like her father. Perhaps the perpetrator’s motive was a get back at Ben Chambers for something he did or said; by deeply hurting him and his family through the shockingly evil death of his child.
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I'm clueless as to who did what, but this murder seems to come with a strong message to the survivors and the community. Thus far it appears to be working. The convenience store clerk has gone into hiding, fearing for his life, supposedly as as an exonerated suspect. But I wonder if he isn't the only living witness to Jessica putting fuel in her car while another male puts fuel into a gas can and then leaves directly behind her. Only part of this is visible on the security camera.
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I haven't looked into this one yet but how many years ago was it?
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Last December.
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I looked at this one (not in depth mind you) and feel that if the police made it known to the entire town that they could put the "witness" into the witness protection program, he/she might come forward. I did notice in one newspaper, in the comments, that the "witness" said they saw her being taken into the hotel room, sexually assaulted and then 2 of them leave with her. She was later found, um, burning. The question in the comments was how did that "witness" know what happened in the hotel room? The "witness" said they could see what was going on by standing outside since they worked in an establishment near by. If a group (or one person) was going to take someone into a hotel room to sexually assault their victim, the curtains would be drawn. The consensus is that the "witness" was not a person just standing outside but involved somehow.
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I'm not sure that's true...or untrue. There's a lot of speculation about the case that has no basis in fact. Authorities either don't know or won't say, and the bloggers are having a field day filling in the evidentiary gaps. I recently read (for the first time) that she mumbled Eric or Derek to one of the EMTs. Prior I had read from reputable sources that she had given a name while still conscious but not the actual name.
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Does anyone know if there is a forum for this one: Villisca Axe murders? The website is hard to read with the black screen and white wording. The contact us doesn't work either. :sad:
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Yes, there is a forum for the Villisca Axe Murders; here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/oh4elug
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Thank you, Twins! I'll have to carve out some time to read through and see if it's something I want to do. One forum is usually enough for me :-)
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You're welcome, Mystery. I agree, one forum tends to take up a great deal of ones time. I am currently on three forums; the other two forums are regarding old TV shows that I faithfully watched when I was a teenager. The topic content of these three forums are very different. Needless to say, I spend 98% of my free time on the Lizzie Borden forum, where we discuss all kinds of topics as well as other murder mysteries! :grin:
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Yes, Twins! I think the Lizzie Borden forum is great since we do discuss other topics. I haven't had a chance to scan the forum but I've got several things going on so I think I'll stick to this one for now.
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Twins...would you please give those of us who are unenlightened a primer on creating tinyurls...they work so much more accurately. :smiliecolors:
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I'd be happy to!

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Thanks Twins. The tinyurls are so much more accurate with than the long originals....:-))))
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You're welcome, Debbie. I agree, the TinyURLs are a lot more accurate then an original long URL. Enjoy using that web site; I'm sure it will become one of your most used web sites, just as it has become my most used. :grin:
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Here are three resent internet updates on the Jessica Chambers murder:

BuzzFeed
Posted on Jun. 24, 2015, at 7:18 p.m.

"Who set Jessica Chambers on fire? The internet is trying to find out."

http://tinyurl.com/q3ts7bm

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Gizmodo – Australia
YESTERDAY 7:00 PM

A community on the Internet has made a strange pastime out of the unsolved murder of a Mississippi teenager, Jessica Chambers. They say they're searching for clues, but local police say the groups haven't produced a single useful tip yet, and they're getting frustrated with the distraction.

http://tinyurl.com/nu2w7ma

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NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
Posted on June 29, 2015 at 12:17 PM

Imagine a bunch of people who don't know one another trying to solve a murder committed in a town none of them has visited. That appears to be what's happening in the case of Jessica Chambers, a 19-year-old girl burned to death in Panola County, Mississippi, in December. Police haven't arrested anybody. They haven't named any suspects.

And into that void has flowed the Internet. People from all over consider themselves working on this case… what these amateur Internet sleuths seem to be doing most reliably is destroying the reputations of the people who live in Courtland, Miss., population 512.


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Twins, as I read through these articles my amazement expanded exponentially at how cruel people can be in pursuit of what they see as truth. Then I wondered how wild the internet would be had the Bordens been murdered 120 years later!
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I agree, Debbie. People can be very crude and insensitive, that is for sure.

In the BuzzFeed article the following question was asked: When does a private tragedy become a public pastime?

Well, this private tragedy became a public pastime, the minute it was posted on Facebook. I don’t know who the first poster was, but I think it had to have been someone in the Panola County area.

I could be completely wrong, but I think this crime probably would have stayed within the Panola County area, if it were not for Ali Alsanai. On December 6, 2014 at 11:16 PM he posted two pictures of Jessica’s burned car on Facebook. It took one minute for two people to post a reply to these pictures. At 11:17 PM, a reply was made by Jaycee Holmes and Lexus Griffin. By 11:18 PM Jaycee asked if the pictures were taken by the store, to which Ali confirmed at 11:25 PM that they were. By 11:26 PM Ali posted that ‘They pour gasoline in her mouth… Then set the car on fire.’

Here are the posts I am referring to (Clink on image to enlarge):
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Once information like the kind that Ali posted is put on a social network site, then it’s open to the world and everyone’s speculations.

BTW, the reason I think Jessica's murder would have stayed within the Panola County area, is when I was doing some research on this murder, it was indicated in one of the web sites I visited, that there was another person who was set on fire in this same area. Is this true? Your guess is a good as mine.

I think if the Borden murders had taken place 120 years later than they did, there would be just as much ‘amateur online sleuths’ speculating the how, who and why, as the Jessica Chambers murder has produced, because someone would have posted it on Facebook or another social media website.
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I didn't look at the Facebook posts yet but just by the posters and their comments makes me think they were involved or knew something more than they were telling.
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This thread has taken on a life of its own! :smile: I've gotten into a new hobby which is taking up a lot of my time- volunteering with NamUs and Cold Case Research- looking into unidentified remains and cold cases (well to a tiny bit, with the latter). I'm currently looking for work where I feel that I can be useful and uses what talents I have. :smile:
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Here is the latest ‘news’ in the Jessica Chambers murder case:

FOX13 has learned that 12 to 15 more people have recently been interviewed by investigators. We were also told investigators are still looking for key evidence, but they are keeping that information closely guarded.

Ben Chambers told us he thinks he knows who killed his daughter, and he thinks the law knows too.

"Oh yes sir; it's definitely coming to a close,” Chambers said. “They know who done it and they got proof. They just need some more proof.”


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Here is another update on the Jessica Chambers Murder Case:

Ben Chambers said a conversation he had with Panola County Investigator Barry Thompson has given him new hope.

"I talked to the lead detective last Thursday, and he told me -- he's never lied to me before -- he said, 'I'm promise you I'm going to get them, Ben,'" Chambers said.

At this point, Chambers said, he's got a good feeling about the case, and after eight grueling months, he's ready to see justice done.

"I believe it's going to be who we thought it was from the front. I really believe it," Chambers said, adding that he thinks it's going to come down to a situation where Jessica "beat" someone over $500.

When asked to elaborate on the situation, Chambers simply said, "I believe it's all going to boil down to that."


http://tinyurl.com/plo2w27

I have a feeling that everyone in Courtland and Batesville, including the detectives and FBI, know who and why this murder took place, but they are going to have a very tough time convicting anyone, because the physical evidence was not secured in the proper manner by law enforcement to avoid tampering with it. There was also too much confidential information given out, and posted on Facebook.
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Just received a Google alert for the latest update...

Jessica Chambers’ mother: Arrest me or clear my name

It’s been more than 10 months since 19-year-old Jessica Chambers was set on fire and left to die on a Panola County back road.

Lisa Daugherty, Jessica’s mother, told FOX13 the time following her daughter’s death has been very difficult. She has been continued harassed by people who accuse her and other family members of having something to do with the murder.


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Thanks Twins for the post. Wow! It's heartbreaking to be accused and threatened by people you don't know or will ever see/know. It's also surprising that her father believes he knows who did it and that the police do too. No one has been arrested that I can find. I feel so sorry for Jessica Chambers to have gotten mixed up with the wrong crowd and suffered a heartbreaking death.
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People can say anything online, remarks they would never consider making face-to-face for fear of having their lights punched out. I cannot begin to understand how difficult this is for Jessica's family, and the best advice I could give her mother or anyone else is to stay away from Facebook and other social media. I hear about Facebook drama from my clients on an almost daily basis, and my advice is always the same: block the offenders or cancel your account.
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MysteryReader wrote:Thanks Twins for the post. Wow! It's heartbreaking to be accused and threatened by people you don't know or will ever see/know. It's also surprising that her father believes he knows who did it and that the police do too. No one has been arrested that I can find. I feel so sorry for Jessica Chambers to have gotten mixed up with the wrong crowd and suffered a heartbreaking death.
You’re welcome for the post, Mystery. This was such a horrific and unspeakably evil act that was committed, and to be threatened by unknown people is not called for. It has been almost 11 months now, and I find it hard to believe this case has not yet been solved. You’re right, no one has been arrested yet for this crime. It’s true Jessica’s father believes he knows who killed his daughter, and if the police also know, then I don’t understand what the problem is in arresting the perpetrator(s). Although, I can speculate.
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debbiediablo wrote:People can say anything online, remarks they would never consider making face-to-face for fear of having their lights punched out. I cannot begin to understand how difficult this is for Jessica's family, and the best advice I could give her mother or anyone else is to stay away from Facebook and other social media. I hear about Facebook drama from my clients on an almost daily basis, and my advice is always the same: block the offenders or cancel your account.
I agree, Debbie; stay away from Facebook and other social media. Ali Alsanai’s biggest mistake was taking pictures of Jessica’s burned car and posting them on Facebook, as well as informing ‘his friends’ that gasoline was poured down her throat. After he posted this information, as well as, some other information, he was forced into leaving Courtland, due to death threats. As far as I know, he is still in hiding.
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For sure, Twins. I'm way too old to understand the kind of "sharing" of personal or inappropriate information with a person's 564 "friends" that happens on social media sites, Facebook in particular, much less the use of camera phones and Snapchat. We now hear of people who fail to call 9-1-1 first when there's an accident or a crime; before anything else they take a picture and post it to Twitter. Once online even the most heinous posts can never be fully deleted.
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Oh my goodness, what next?

Lead investigator in Jessica Chambers murder arrested for DUI: http://tinyurl.com/qaa7z2g
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MysteryReader wrote:Does anyone know off hand of any other cases similar to Lizzie Borden's? Not any that deal with children or Jack the Ripper... I'm interested in studying others.

The only one that I can come up with that will most likely never be solved is the murder of Marilyn Monroe. I firmly believe that she didn't commit suicide (based on all of the material I read years ago) and one thing the doctor said in an interview. I won't quote it since I'm not sure of the exact saying but he said that he couldn't get inside her bedroom through the hall so he went outside to a window. He said he broke through the glass. However, it was pointed out by someone, (perhaps an investigator?) that glass wasn't inside the room (as if you're breaking from outside) but it was on the outside (as if you're breaking it from the inside).

When I'm done with Cleopatra's murder, I'll have to go back to investigate Marilyn Monroe. I do think the Kennedy brothers had something to do with it but not necessarily, an actual hand in it.
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Marilyn Monroe’s death is a good case to study. I have believed for years that Marilyn Monroe was murdered. It has been known for many years that she was having a affair with JFK, as well as RFK, and that Peter Lawford was the liaison between Marilyn and the Kennedy brothers. Peter Lawford was also known as “The Man Who Kept The Secrets”. Controversy of whether Monroe died by her own hand or was murdered has been debated and dissected by books, documentaries, conspiracy theorists, and Hollywood and Washington insiders alike for years.

As far as I can determine, the latest book on the death of Marilyn Monroe is titled, The Murder of Marilyn Monroe: Case Closed, which was Published on June 3, 2014: http://tinyurl.com/gwl3zbw The Authors of this book, Jay Margolis and Richard Buskin, alleged that Marilyn was killed by Bobby Kennedy, Peter Lawford and Marilyn’s psychiatrist, Dr. Ralph Greenson. However, I just don’t see a psychiatrist getting involved with murder, and especially teaming up with Bobby Kennedy and Peter Lawford to carry out the deed. If it is true, that Marilyn was about to revel all the dirty Kennedy family secrets, then what motive would Dr. Greenson have for being involved in a conspiracy for murdering her? The Kennedy family secrets that were allegedly logged into her little red diary had nothing to do with Dr. Greenson. Even if, as alleged, Dr. Greenson was also having an affair with Marilyn, that affair had nothing to do with her exposing the dirty Kennedy family secrets she kept logged in her little red diary. Furthermore, Dr. Greenson would not need to conspire with Bobby Kennedy and Peter Lawford, or anyone else for that matter, in order to kill Marilyn.

Since Marilyn died while JFK was in office, it makes sense to me that the three men who would have had a lot to lose if Marilyn had ‘spilled the beans’ regarding the Kennedy family secrets, were RFK, JFK, and their brother-in-law, Peter Lawford. If Marilyn had exploited the dirty Kennedy family secrets, and the fact that Peter Lawford was the liaison between her and the Kennedy brothers, then it would have jeopardized the Kennedy’s coveted position of political power, as well as Peter Lawford’s fear of ruining his status as the liaison between Hollywood and the Kennedy brothers, and therefore she had to be permanently silenced. I think JFK ordered RFK and Peter Lawford to kill Marilyn. I believe that Marilyn’s murder was accomplished by ‘keeping it in the family’, and it became just another Kennedy family secret. It is my understanding that Marilyn’s little red diary had vanished, and I think it was found and destroyed by the murderers.

"JFK was pond scum." NEWSWEEK, August 19, 1996: http://tinyurl.com/zda5g9u

Peter Lawford / "Mysteries & Scandals" Produced by Alison Martino: http://tinyurl.com/hkjq33d

Birth Certificate: http://tinyurl.com/z888t7n

Declassified FBI Vault Files: http://tinyurl.com/j9eyl9s

Death Certificate and Autopsy Repost: http://www.autopsyfiles.org/reports/Cel ... report.pdf

I found this video very interesting.
Autopsy ~ The Last Hours Of Marilyn Monroe: http://tinyurl.com/o2elq3v
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Update on Jessica Chambers: http://tinyurl.com/zy5lfbu
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The book Nemesis by Peter Evans deals with Jackie Kennedy and Aristotle Onassis but also with Marilyn and her liaisons with both Kennedy brothers. I loved JFK and RFK at age 12, but reading about what went on behind the scenes is a real eye opener even though I still believe in much of their political agenda.

Evans takes no prisoners. He's as tough on Jackie. Her 1956 miscarriage of a nearly full-term daughter (the child was not named but Jackie referred to the child as Arabella) was likely the biological offspring of actor William Holden. John Kennedy's affair with Marilyn started when he was a unmarried senator, and Jackie was aware of this when she walked down the aisle. Essentially Jackie was taught by her mother that men cheat on their wives but this can be tolerated if the man is rich enough. So she married for money and probably for power and prestige along with love. Her affair with Holden started long before JFK's Presidential bid, likely as a response to her husband's incessant philandering.

When Marilyn's baggage became too much for sitting President, JFK passed her down to RFK. She was making a movie at the time, drinking, drugging and generally becoming too much of a problem for the movie studio and for the Attorney General. Marilyn became a top-tier liability when her delusional thinking moved into the realm of Bobby divorcing Ethel, leaving the seven kids and the Catholic Church, and marrying the thrice-wedded actress. So Bobby dumped her, too. Then,when filming of Something's Got To Give (an unfortunately apt title) was over, Marilyn was fired by the film studio.

Her cup then runneth over.

Marilyn threatened to call a press conference to blow the whistle on all the Kennedys if she didn't hear from Bobby right damn soon. So RFK flew to LA to attempt defusing Monroe's nuclear potential. He arrived at her home in Brentwood around 1 PM; her body was found around 10 PM; the police were not called until 4:25 AM after Peter Lawford arrived, did whatever he did to erase the Kennedy presence from either suicide or murder, and after the Attorney General of the United States had been helicoptered out of the city.

I don't think Robert Kennedy killed Marilyn Monroe, not in the strictest sense; I don't think he had to. MM had been unstable and suicidal for years, and she had just been booted into the abyss by both Kennedy brothers and her studio. She told Rupert Allen, with a truly broken heart, that the Kennedys had passed her around like a piece of meat. All Bobby had to do was make clear to poor Marilyn how they had used and abused her, tossed her out like a piece of meat, that she was nothing to them and never had been, that she was a deluded fool to think otherwise, that no good Catholic man would ever consider a woman "like her" as wife material, that she was so drunk and drugged she could no longer even work...all he had to do was destroy what teeny-tiny, itsy-bitsy sense of self she still maintained (if she maintained any at all) and beautiful, used, tragic Marilyn would willingly do the job herself.

What's even more fascinating is Evans take on the murders of both JFK and RFK and the connections to Onassis who hated both of them. No more spoilers from me, but it's a page turner and very well researched.
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Debbie, the book Nemesis, by Peter Evans, sounds a lot like the book, Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis: A Life Beyond Her Wildest Dreams, by Darwin Porter and Danforth Prince, published on June 7, 2014.

Jackie had her own movie star seductions, including Warren Beatty, Peter Lawford, Paul Newman, Gregory Peck, Frank Sinatra and a torrid affair with handsome actors William Holden and Marlon Brando, as well as her forbidden affairs with Bobby and Ted Kennedy. John and Jackie deserved each other; they both had a number of affairs.

I agree with you; Jackie married both John Kennedy and Aristotle Onassis for MONEY.

Here is an article from The Daily Mail regarding the book Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis: A Life Beyond Her Wildest Dreams: http://tinyurl.com/qyrhap8

Here is an interesting YouTube video regarding this book: http://tinyurl.com/hta94jd
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Just received another update on the murder of Jessica Chambers.

I have a very hard time believing Sheriff Dennis Darby’s red eyes are from 'holding back the tears'.

Check it out here: http://tinyurl.com/jnekj24
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I'm on the verge of retirement and loading my Kindle with reading material (2,785 books, many free or on sale including hundreds of cookbooks) and the new Jackie book sounds like a good fit! Every day I monitor the free and reduced price Kindle sites to see what's good and cheap. My first career was as a librarian so some of the self-published stuff leaves me dismayed by what people think is passable writing. Others are fairly good but could use a strong editor.

Peter Evans is convinced that Onassis used his money and influence to build a Palestinian terror group with the ultimate purpose of having Robert Kennedy assassinated so Kennedy would not stand in the way of his marriage to Jackie. In the end, RFK got shot. Ari got Jackie, and then he found out what high maintenance really means!!!

As for poor Jessica, either she was somehow involved in or knowledgeable of organized criminal enterprise, and law enforcement is going to make massive arrests. OR this is the most inept and probably corrupt investigation since Boss Hogg ran Hazzard County except this isn't one bit funny.
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debbiediablo wrote:I'm on the verge of retirement and loading my Kindle with reading material (2,785 books, many free or on sale including hundreds of cookbooks) and the new Jackie book sounds like a good fit! Every day I monitor the free and reduced price Kindle sites to see what's good and cheap. My first career was as a librarian so some of the self-published stuff leaves me dismayed by what people think is passable writing. Others are fairly good but could use a strong editor.

Peter Evans is convinced that Onassis used his money and influence to build a Palestinian terror group with the ultimate purpose of having Robert Kennedy assassinated so Kennedy would not stand in the way of his marriage to Jackie. In the end, RFK got shot. Ari got Jackie, and then he found out what high maintenance really means!!! ….
What a great idea you have for your retirement years, Debbie. I found another book you may want to add to your Kindle:

The book’s most shocking claims include:

... At the Kennedys’ Palm Beach estate during Christmas 1964, socialite Mary Harrington saw Jackie sunbathing topless, with Bobby kneeling at her side. “As they began to kiss, he placed one hand on her breast and the other inside of her bikini bottom,” Harrington recalled. “I was shocked. It was clear that Bobby was sleeping with his sister-in-law.” RFK later told Harrington — who had her own affair with RFK — he loved Ethel but “felt just as strongly about Jackie.” ...

... Shipping tycoon Aristotle Onassis — RFK’s rival for Jackie’s attention — once threatened to “bring down” Bobby by going public with details of the affair. “I could bury that sucker,” Onassis said, “although I’d lose Jackie in the process.” ...

... By mid-1967, Jackie — who had also been dating Onassis — was contemplating marriage to him. She agreed to wait until after Bobby’s 1968 presidential run. RFK told Pierre Salinger, “She’ll marry that man over my dead body.” ...

http://tinyurl.com/zlzahc5

You can get this book at Amazon in a Kindle format: http://tinyurl.com/zd8ejch
debbiediablo wrote: …As for poor Jessica, either she was somehow involved in or knowledgeable of organized criminal enterprise, and law enforcement is going to make massive arrests. OR this is the most inept and probably corrupt investigation since Boss Hogg ran Hazzard County except this isn't one bit funny.
I have a feeling that Jessica was involved in a lot more than has been reveled through the media.

I agree Debbie, the Jessica Chambers case is not at all funny, but I did get a kick out of your comparison of the investigation into Jessica’s death to Boss Hogg running Hazzard County. :thumleft:
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Update on Jessica Chambers' Murder: http://tinyurl.com/hsy3bkl
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