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Been waiting for some of my literary friends on the forum to bring up this topic. Surprised no one has. Thus here it is.

Some books, like Go Set a Watchman, I will never read. Why? Because I have scrubbed it around the edges and have investigated the particulars to it's release and they are suspicious.

Read Mockingbird when I was in high school, though can't remember what I thought about it at the time.

But I'm afraid that Go Set a Watchman is a "publicity" release by a bunch of hounds, including Harper Lee's attorney, who are trying to make millions off a half blind and deaf eighty-nine year old.

It is my belief that Harper Lee had little to do with the release of the book and was talked into having it published by those she trusted.

If you read the book, don't be overwhelmed by the author. Read the story on its own merits. Don't read it with Mockingbird in mind. Is it a good story? Does it hold your interest? Do you care for the characters? etc. etc.

Like the Borden case, we all come up with our own evaluation to what is going on here with a woman who refused to publish another book for 50 years and suddenly decided she did.

I'm afraid that Go Set a Watchman will destroy Harper Lee's legacy. And the contrast between Atticus Finch in one book to the other is too drastic. I believe that Watchman was squashed over half a century for a reason. And the only reason it was resurrected was so lots of people could make millions.....(upwards of 40 million) all to the sacrificed dignity of Harper Lee. Forty million on the book. Hell, wait until the movie comes out. Hype, hype, hype, across the bow of a gullible public equates to millions.
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This Harper Lee business reminds me of the "authorized by Margaret Mitchell's estate" sequel to Gone With the Wind (Scarlett by Alexandra Ripley) and two authorized prequels by Donald McCaig (Rhett Butler's People and Ruth's Journey) all of which greatly diminished the book from which they originated. Perhaps every person who read GWTW to the end wondered what "tomorrow" would bring for Scarlett and Rhett. The invitation to imagine was part of the romance, the tragedy, the intangible beauty of the story. Allowing it to be spelled out by authors who did not create the characters and whose life experience was not even close to the same as Mitchell had to be about money, not literature. Mitchell was born in Atlanta to a wealthy and politically connected family at the turn of the century. She wrote what she knew, and the reader knew it. Everything that followed was poor 'guesstimation'. I have no intention of reading Go Set a Watchman unless it gathers rave reviews.
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I didn't enjoy Mockingbird and have no intention of spending money on this one. I couldn't figure out why she waited 50 years to publish its sequel. I think you're right, MB. It's all money related.

Debbie- I didn't know there were multiple others regarding GWTW. I haven't read that one yet, either. My class was made to watch the movie before Christmas break, in 8th grade.
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I have no intentions of reading this book either. I’m afraid MB is correct, this book is a "publicity" release.

Get this, Harper Lee's lawyer hints that there could be a third novel.

The global release of "Go Set a Watchman" is one of the biggest literary events in years. Thanks to pre-orders, it has been the number one best-seller at online retailer Amazon for months, and publisher HarperCollins has ordered a first print run of two million copies.


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Following are several articles that may be of interest, or not…

The Tampa Bay Times, publish on July 14, 2015: http://tinyurl.com/oa9ew35

The Hindustan Times, published on July 14, 2015: http://tinyurl.com/pnkxlfp

The Los Angeles Times, published on July 15, 2015: http://tinyurl.com/nkrtt6r

The insideHilton.com, published on July 15, 2015: http://tinyurl.com/orz6lna

From Learning English, published on July 15, 2015: http://tinyurl.com/nlm4ftf

The Alton Telegraph, published July 16, 2015: http://tinyurl.com/otkm4n7

SLATE'S CULTURE BLOG, published July 16, 2015: http://tinyurl.com/pgjk5qz
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IMO, sequels don't come anywhere close to the original movie or book.
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The reason Harper Lee waited 50 years to release her second book it probably because she didn't write Mockingbird. At least there are those who believe she did not—that it was conceived by her but the actually literary buffing was done by Truman Capote, her good friend. It is almost certain that he did help her. But how much?

Good reason why she said she would never write another book. Perhaps because she couldn't write.

Not sure why. But I find this new book and its release fascinating. It's like the Borden case. Did she or did she not kill her parents?

Did she or did she not want her second book published? With a little research you discover all sorts of rumors about Harper Lee and this new publication. Funny how her lawyer decided the book should be published.

Her lawyer, Tonja Carter, is a good friend of the family and worked with Harper Lee's sister Alice Lee at the same law firm. Alice was 103 when she died recently. A couple of months later the lawyer finds the "lost" book.

Harper had a stroke in 07 (i think it was?) Can a woman of 89 who had a stroke think clearly. Or does some one convince her that this, or that, is best?

Interesting. Very interesting.
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But Harper could write! Anyone with the least bit of sense can see the difference in literary style & soul between her Mockingbird & Capote's In Cold Blood. Or even his short stories.

Capote, as great & complex as he is, could not have developed the huge beating heart that is the soul of Mockingbird.
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Oops.
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Thanks for posting, thinkse7en

Of course the literary style of both Lee and Capote are different, (when comparing In Cold Blood and Mockingbird) mostly because we are talking of two different tellings. One is fiction and the other true crime. Capote's account In Cold Blood has more of a journalistic approach. If a comparison can be made and labeled to have any resemblance, it is the descriptive writing style of both authors.

I collected first editions of Capote's book when I was a younger man, and though I read Mockingbird in school, I remember very little about the book, at least about her style.

Though I have brought it up, I don't really believe Capote wrote Mockingbird. He was too vain and would have bragged about it. Especially towards the end of his life when he burnt all bridges. Though being good friends they must have shared techniques, methods, and style of writing.

I believe that Harper Lee just did not like writing. In the end she was just not a writer. A defense has been made that she claimed to not like the notoriety her book had brought her. If she loved writing she would have written for herself. My books bring me very little money. (And no notoriety) I probably give more books away than I sell and have never asked my publisher for an account, and still I continue to write. Even if no one ever purchased a single copy, I would continue to write. I would not be truthful if I did not admit that I write with the reader in mind, but in essence if one did not exist I would continue to write for my own pleasure. Basically a genuine writer, one who loves to write, does so for him/herself. The successful ones make lots of money at it.

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MB-

You mentioned you're a writer- please, do you have a website or a link? I'm always looking for new authors.
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For a moment let's assume Harper Lee wrote Mockingbird after which she won a Pulitzer Prize and the Presidential Medal of Freedom. Then she stopped publishing. We don't know that she stopped writing, but Go Set a Watchman was written prior to Mockingbird, purportedly. Perhaps she had just one message and that was Mockingbird. Or maybe she realized that every sentence from then forward would be compared to one of the finest novels of the 20th century. She reached the pinnacle of any author's career in her mid-30s...where else could she go? Or perhaps where else did she want to go?
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There had to be a reason why Harper Lee didn’t have Go Set a Watchman published, at the time she wrote it. I did some research and found out some very interesting things… (Underling and highlighting are mine)

According to the meticulously researched biography by Charles Shields, in January of 1957 Lee went to see her agent, Maurice Crain, with “the first fifty pages of a novel, Go Set a Watchman.”

A week later, she was back again, this time with a hundred more pages. From then on, she dropped off about fifty new pages with Crain every week through the end of February. Two months of back-and-forth revisions followed between author and agent until, in early May, Crain judged that the manuscript was in suitable shape to send out. But he had never liked the title Go Set a Watchman.

Crain sent the book to the publisher J. P. Lippincott. Tay Hohoff, the editor, later said of that draft: “It was more a series of anecdotes than a fully conceived novel,” but she was interested enough to give Lee a contract. After Lee rewrote the book based on Hohoff’s suggestions, the next draft “was better. It wasn’t right. … There were dangling threads of plot, there was a lack of unity.” It then took another two and a half years to make what we know now as To Kill a Mockingbird.


Source: http://tinyurl.com/odb6wbw

Alice Lee is best known as the older sister, advisor, protector and dear friend friend of Nelle “Harper” Lee, author of To Kill a Mockingbird. According to the Washington Post, “For many years, [Alice Lee] handled Harper Lee’s legal and financial affairs and sometimes spoke on her behalf, courteously turning away interview requests and occasionally responding to the curiosities that swirled around ‘To Kill a Mockingbird’ and it author.”

Source: http://tinyurl.com/qgr5oq5

On the perennial question of why Harper Lee had shunned attention, her sister observed that “as time went on, [Harper] said reporters began taking too many liberties with what she said.”

She also offered an answer to the question of why her sister had never published another novel.

“When you have hit the pinnacle, how would you feel about writing more?” Alice Lee told journalist Marja Mills for a 2002 article in the Chicago Tribune. “Would you feel like you’re competing with yourself?”


Source: http://tinyurl.com/lfm8fen


In February 2015, aged 88, after a lifetime of maintaining that she would never publish another novel, Lee released a statement through her lawyer confirming publication of a second novel, Go Set a Watchman, written before To Kill a Mockingbird, which was released in July 2015.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/qdx84lp

Harper Lee’s lawyer, who negotiated the deal over this week’s controversial launch of Go Set a Watchman, was allegedly far more intricately involved in searching for the manuscript years ago than previously disclosed, the Guardian has been told.

According to the allegations, Tonja Carter instigated a meeting at least four years ago in which the author’s personal safe deposit box was opened and its contents itemized. The new account appears to conflict with Carter’s own version of events, in which the lawyer insisted the manuscript for Lee’s second novel was only found in that same deposit box last August.


Source: http://tinyurl.com/pcnxxlg

Although publicized as a sequel, it is considered by Lee to be the "parent" of her first and only other published novel, the Pulitzer Prize-winning To Kill a Mockingbird (1960)," as its technically Mockingbird's first draft.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/nqk9psu

When it was announced in February that a “new” Harper Lee novel had been “discovered,” there followed the expected gale of media giddiness, the widespread convulsions of joy, a gyrating and ejaculating all across the Web. Pulling up alongside the jubilant ones were the judicious ones, those who questioned how the publication of Lee’s new-old novel, Go Set a Watchman, came to pass: how the publicity-shyest author on earth, she who vowed never to publish another novel after her spirit was jolted by the galactic success of her debut, she who fled Manhattan for the asylum of her hometown of Monroeville, Alabama, how this monastically private writer agreed—in her 89th year, post-stroke, confined to an assisted-living establishment—to bless the reading world with what was the first, failed draft of To Kill a Mockingbird. During the initial sortie of coverage in February, a Newsweek headline bellowed. “Friends Say Harper Lee Was Manipulated,” but you didn’t need that deflating headline or any other because you already had those unignorable inner murmurs—they were your conscience saying that something is rotten in Monroeville.

Harper Lee appears to have had only the most marginal input on the book that will bear her name. Jonathan Burnham announced that his company “had never spoken directly to Ms. Lee about the book and had communicated solely through her lawyer, Ms. Carter, and her literary agent, Andrew Nurnberg.” The lawyer/agent pas de deux: speaking solely to them and not once to the author of the book he was buying is rather like consulting the egrets while ignoring the hippo. Burnham also said that he was “completely confident” that Ms. Lee had consented to the publication of Watchman—of course he was. Consulting the novelist on which his outfit was about to make many millions of dollars “wasn’t necessary,” he said, and you see why the presidential wings of corporations continue to enjoy such glowing reputations. Writes the Times: “The statement Ms. Lee provided expressing her delight that the new novel will finally be published was delivered through her lawyer, Mr. Burnham said.”

If Ms. Lee had in sound mind consented to the publication of Watchman, speculated the Times, it would mean “an abrupt turnaround for an author who had said she did not intend to publish another work and then, late in life, agreed to venture out with a book that had initially been dismissed as an ambitious but disjointed first draft.”


Source: http://tinyurl.com/oubjof6

Article by Philip Hensher on July 14, 2015, for The Spectator:

Riddled with clichés, routinely inept: Harper Lee’s Go Set a Watchman should never have been published

Lee’s publishers have declared that any questioning of this narrative is ‘unacceptable’, so I merely report it neutrally. After having read the novel, it is absolutely clear to me that no novelist in full possession of his or her faculties would agree to its publication as a sequel, or as a new work comparable in significance and expertise to To Kill a Mockingbird.


Source: http://tinyurl.com/q2wf9dx

In the following article there are pictures of Harper and her sister Alice Lee, as well as the Bank Trust building in Monroeville, where a safety deposit box held Lee's papers, The Meadows assisted living facility where Harper lives, Harper’s room at the assisted living facility and the courtroom where her father was an attorney. (Check out the source link):

EXCLUSIVE: Did Harper Lee’s lawyer purposely hold on to the manuscript of Go Set a Watchman for years - until she had control of the author’s affairs? New account claims she knew all about book in 2011.

Source: http://tinyurl.com/p57rmzp

It’s one thing, after all, for a manuscript to be published after an author’s death as a curiosity; it’s another thing entirely when the author is almost 90, living in an Alabama nursing home and possibly not in full control of her decisions. “Nelle Lee had a stroke,” said her minister, a longtime friend, in a newspaper interview earlier in the year. “She doesn’t remember anything; she’s essentially blind, profoundly deaf and confined to a wheelchair. You can draw your own conclusions.”

Source: http://tinyurl.com/nwrpzkg
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Thanks Twins...you've gone to a great deal of effort to provide support from the people who would be positioned to know for what my intuition has been whispering right from the beginning....although not nearly in so much detail....lol.
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Yes, I agree Debb....

You have really got into it, Twins, huh?

Yes, tinkse7en.... I would be amiss if I was to elaborated on Ms Lee's style first hand since I have not read her book as an adult. And 45 years is a long time to remember someone's writing technique and literary approach. What I do know is taken from extensive reading, second hand stuff. You know! Like playing with dynamite. One can really sound stupid using another's whip to tame the lion. Especially if the whip is made of fleece and the chair has broken legs, and you don't know it. :roll: :oops: :?:

My interest and fascination in the whole affair is the way greed and intrusive human nature manipulate the unfortunate for their own gain.

Yes Mystery...

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Thanks, MB!
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Debbie: You’re welcome for the detailed information. You and I are definitely on the same page here.

MB: Yes, I guess I have gotten into it. Nothing angers me more than when someone takes advantage of the elderly or the handicapped. Both are totally defenseless victims.

I found other tidbits of information which back up the biggest reasons I believe Tonja Carter took advantage of Harper.

The Washington Post - July 20, 2015, by Marja Mills (highlighting and underlining are mine):

Alice practiced law until she was 100. In 2011, she wrote to me, “Poor Nelle Harper can’t see and can’t hear and will sign anything put before her by anyone in whom she has confidence.” Alice Lee died in November, at 103. Two and half months later, the publication of “Go Set a Watchman” was announced.

http://tinyurl.com/pmhsqsf

The opinions Journal, February 5, 2015, by Anthony L. Hall (highlighting and underlining are mine):

Alice Lee, who died in November at 103, told a reporter before her death that her sister … ‘can’t see and can’t hear and will sign anything put before her by anyone in whom she has confidence.’

http://tinyurl.com/ofut7yn

Since Tonja Carter is the one who ‘found’ the manuscript of Go Set a Watchman, and then handed it over the HarperCollins Publishers, I have to question what is in this for her. What does she have to gain?

From Karen Spears Zacharias, 04, 02, 2015(highlighting and underlining are mine):

So who stands to benefit?
Well, for one, Carter, that dear friend and attorney, who reportedly over the years has managed to cut Lee off from all of her longtime friends and, some suggest, even her sister during those last years. Carter has a troubling reputation among the locals of Monroeville.


http://tinyurl.com/p3qh3pu

The Wall Street Journal, by Tonja B. Carter, July 12, 2015 (highlighting and underlining are mine):

In the time since it was announced that “Watchman” was found and Harper Lee—or Nelle, her first name, used by family and friends—decided to have it published, much has been said about how it was found, who found it, who knew of its existence, and when it was first found. As Nelle’s estate trustee, lawyer and friend, I would like to tell the full story, fill in any blanks that may be in people’s minds, and provide a historical context for those interested in how this book went from lost to being found.

http://tinyurl.com/pr95n53


From EstatePlanning.com (highlighting and underlining are mine):

What responsibilities will I have as a trustee?

As a trustee, you have certain responsibilities. For example:
You must follow the instructions in the trust document.
• You cannot mix trust assets with your own. You must keep separate checking accounts and investments.
• You cannot use trust assets for your own benefit (unless the trust authorizes it).
• You must treat trust beneficiaries the same; you cannot favor one over another (unless the trust says you can).
• Trust assets must be invested in a prudent (conservative) manner, in a way that will result in reasonable growth with minimum risk.
• You are responsible for keeping accurate records, filing tax returns and reporting to the beneficiaries as the trust requires.


http://tinyurl.com/owo5fsy

Lawyer: Harper Lee Is “Hurt and Humiliated” Over Claims She Was Pressured to Publish

Tonja B. Carter, Lee's lawyer and friend, said she was flabbergasted at the suggestion that she was exploiting Lee into releasing a new novel. “Nothing can describe how I feel” about those claims, she told the Times. When she was asked why she didn't provide more details about the discovery of the book to quell suspicions, she insisted that her role in this story is irrelevant. “I am a lawyer, not a celebrity,” she said. “The focus should be on the gift Harper Lee is giving the world.”


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WOW, kudos to Brilliant Books! I happened to stumble across this article when doing some research:.

Melville House, July 31, 2015, by Alex Shephard

Why Brilliant Books is offering refunds to customers who purchased Go Set A Watchman

We had been disappointed in the way the book was marketed from the beginning. We knew the history of Go Set A Watchman and it wasn’t congruent with the marketing: “Harper Lee’s New Novel” “with many of your favorite characters from To Kill A Mockingbird.”

The real eye-opener was from a loyal paying member, who had only become aware of the reality over the previous weekend. She was saddened. She explained that TKAMB was her favorite book of all time and she had been so looking forward to reading GSAW, but now she knew it wasn’t the book she had been led to believe it was.

I immediately apologized, and offered her a refund, which she accepted. I realized then that we needed to offer the same thing to all our customers, of which there were dozens across the country, and explain why. Hence the opinion piece.


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Here is an interesting article that was published late last night:

Harper Lee’s Will, Unsealed, Adds Only More Mystery to Her Life

When the novelist Harper Lee died in her sleep two years ago, at 89, she left a trail of lingering questions about her life and work.

Why had she decided, in her final years, to publish a second novel, 55 years after her breakout success, “To Kill a Mockingbird”? Were there other unknown works? Who would inherit her literary papers, sought by many universities, as well as her estate, estimated to be worth tens of millions of dollars?

On Tuesday, an Alabama court unsealed Ms. Lee’s will, but the mystery surrounding one of American literature’s most cherished authors only deepened.


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