Emma's Beau.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 3:01 am

If you have the City Directories you can check for another Emma Borden.
Otherwise, it's very confusing.

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:46 am

I am saying that emma was just alittle more of the quiet type. Men might have thought that emma was more "stable" because she wasn't out running around. People are also judging you on how you act.

nbcatlover · Post by **nbcatlover** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 11:43 am

Hi Kat--

I've checked directories and the Hattie Borden Weld genealogy. The only Emma E. I have found so far was born in Hico, TX, and was 11 years old at the time of the murders. I don't think the newspaper was referring to her.

I believe there was a schoolteacher (Emma B.?) and there is a plain Emma and an Emma C. and an Emma C. H. listed for Fall River. Westport is harder. There are no "directories." Some of the census data include only names of heads of households. The voting registers and poll tax lists, if you can get them, are all males. Clues come from mostly anecdotal sources.

I would really love somebody with personal knowledge of the Westport area to pick around inside their heads and give me a clue. I know there are people out there who have done lots of Manchester family research. I'm rechecking the New Bedford area.

On more than one occasion, I have wondered if the newspapers just "planted" articles with sound-alike fictious people to make their papers more interesting.

I think of the 'Frederick Chace' name used in the McHenry/Trickey scandal. There were Frederick Chaces in the greater Fall River area (Bristol County), and there are lots of Chase and Chace names (branches of the same family) still in this area (Swansea, Freetown, Dartmouth). The Fall River address was the ruse, and I haven't found that much research was done beyond the Fall River city limits then or now. The name may have been correct.

Frankly, I think both Emma and Lizzie lived more interesting and social lives than most people credit them. They just moved in closed circles.

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 1:29 pm

in terms of their ancestors, neither emma or lizzie married and had children, so where does the line start? Through cousins and the like?

nbcatlover · Post by **nbcatlover** » Wed Aug 31, 2005 4:52 pm

That's right, Snokkums.

Here are some of my leads:

Andrew Borden--(Abraham, Richard, Richard)

Hannah J. Borden (who marries David M. Anthony Jr.'s uncle)--('Deacon Joseph C., Joseph, Thomas, Richard)

Catherine T. Borden m. James Robinson and sister, Julia A. Borden m. William Robinson (possible leads to Lizzie's Robinson cousins)--(Seth, Joseph, Thomas, Richard)

Richard and Thomas are brothers. Joseph is the same person.

The problems begin in tracking people where Hattie Borden Weld's genealogy ends.[/b]

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:33 am

I have 4 or 5 sources for Borden genealogy.
Are you only using Weld?

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 8:25 pm

Here's a list of the sources I'm using to compile and verify the Borden genealogy. Maybe you can find some of these in NBFPL, in Reference.
The list is in descending order of usefulness:

The Genealogy of the Borden Family Living in Fall River and Vicinity, 1876- from Fall River And Its Industries, Atlantic Publishing and Engraving Co., NY, Benjamin Earl & Son, Fall River, Mass., 1877, avail. at FRHS.

Historical and Genealogical Record of the Descendants As Far As Known of Richard and Joan Borden Who Settled In Portsmouth, Rhode Island, May, 1638 w/..., compiled by Hattie Borden Weld, 1899.

Representive Men and Old Families of Southeatern Massachusetts...Illustrated, J.H. Beers & Co., Chicago, 1912.

Crappo, 1912, Chapter III, Richard Borden

Pedigree of Richard Borden Who Removed From the County of Kent..., by Thomas Allen Glenn, private publish, Phila. PA., 1901. "Richard Borden."

"Borden Ancestrial Line" from COWAN CONNECTIONS, Michael S. Cole, M.D. (online)
See also: "FOWLE Ancestrial Line"- (online)

UMass.edu, Borden, General- (online)

Terry Mason's Family History Site (online)- Descendants of Francis de Bourdon- notes/comments/conflicts

Reed, 1902

Memorial Encyclopedia of the State of Massachusetts, under the editorial supervision of William Richard Cutter, A.M., American Historical Society, 1918, "Philip Borden."

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 1:51 pm

I think Emma would have made a better catch. Lizzie to me seems to be a conniving little *****!.She doesn't strike me as the type of girl that would be a stay at home mom. She liked the bohemion life; the acting crowd. Besides, I think men would probably shy away from her because she was trail for murder. They might be thinking it could happen to me.

nbcatlover · Post by **nbcatlover** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 7:41 pm

Kat--thanks for the other titles. Weld is all there is at NBPL. Need to make some time and get to FR.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 4:24 am

snokkums @ Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:51 pm wrote:I think Emma would have made a better catch. Lizzie to me seems to be a conniving little *****!.She doesn't strike me as the type of girl that would be a stay at home mom. She liked the bohemion life; the acting crowd. Besides, I think men would probably shy away from her because she was trail for murder. They might be thinking it could happen to me.

Well, you've got a point about Lizzie as mom. I think at her age she might be considered as a second wife. Can you imagine Lizzie as a stepmother?
Other than that, yes, what man wants an acquitted ex-prisoner who was in the newspapers world-wide as a mother to his children?