Lizzie Borden Society Forum

I tried http://www.libraryjournal.com/, but that is more like a professional journal. It didn't give a list of or way to search for books recommended for public libraries.


Ray, do you have a specific website/source that you know public libraries use to order recommended books ?

Are you saying public libraries only contain recommended books ?





Tracy...

Yes he says that, and he has over 800 reviews on Amazon so maybe it is self-serving to send us there?

I'm not sure how this works, but do 800 reviews tending toward Arnold Brown push the book higher as a recommended book?

Hi, Thanks so much for your recommendations. I went to vist the Borden House about a month ago because a family member who now lives in TX wanted to see it. Our guide (I think her name was Lee Ann) was just wonderful with all our questions. Actually is was better than some of the mansion tours I experienced in Newport. It was there I bought the book Forty Whacks. I'll start with that one instead of the one by David Rehak. Would you please tell me what the title of the book is that you mentioned by William Masterton.

Hi Nadzieja

Welcome to the forum, the book by Masterson is called "Lizzie Didnt Do It".

Thanks for the name of the book, Bobarth. Another one to get & add to the collection. I read the one you took the quote from on your email, that one was good too!!

theebmonique @ Thu Jan 04, 2007 5:55 pm wrote:I tried http://www.libraryjournal.com/, but that is more like a professional journal. It didn't give a list of or way to search for books recommended for public libraries.

Ray, do you have a specific website/source that you know public libraries use to order recommended books ?

Are you saying public libraries only contain recommended books ?

Tracy...

Aside from that "Library Journal" quote in Amazon on Arnold Brown's book, there is the "Virginia Kirkus Reviews" on published books. Libraries don't want to waste taxpayer dollars on books that aren't worth the money. Anyone can publish a book, even pay a ghostwriter to scribble it. But that does not make it worth buying or reading.

As far as I know, all published books on this case in your library system are worth reading. But some are more equal than others.

PS Library Journal does not allow non-members to visit reviews. I just tried it.

So Ray...how about a link to that Amazon/LJ review ??





Tracy...

Nevermind Ray...I decided it would be easier to just find it myself.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/044021 ... F8&seller=

If you scroll down, you can read several reviews on the book. Ray are you saing we should take it as gospel if LJ recommends it ?





Tracy...

I do think only Libraries have access to their recommended list- any members who have worked in a Library know?
It seems I recall talking about this on the phone with my local and being told I don't have access to that- I have to go thru them on certain questions.
I think there is something that is nearly equivalent on-line, but it is not the Library's first choice to use.

Thanks for a link to Amazon, Tracy!

Looks like our Melissa reviewed the book as well as *Ray.*

Kat @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:53 pm wrote:I do think only Libraries have access to their recommended list- any members who have worked in a Library know?
It seems I recall talking about this on the phone with my local and being told I don't have access to that- I have to go thru them on certain questions.
I think there is something that is nearly equivalent on-line, but it is not the Library's first choice to use.

Library patrons can often find books on http://worldcat.org/. But access to the Library Journal is open only to libraries that belong to the ALA (American Library Ass'n). Expensive for small libraries. We bought our books from 4-5 different suppliers to libraries and bookstores.
Joe

That's it! Thank you Joe!!

Kat @ Sat Jan 06, 2007 2:55 pm wrote:Thanks for a link to Amazon, Tracy!

Looks like our Melissa reviewed the book as well as *Ray.*

It appears that *Ray* wrote at least two of the reviews; the review titled "Still the Ultimate Solution", as well as the review titled "Century-old Mystery Solved!". I found it interesting that the content of the review titled "Century-old Mystery Solved!" has the same conclusion that Ray wrote as his theory in this topic. I find it even more interesting that the review titled "Century-old Mystery Solved!" is dated March 15, 2002; Ray indicated in his opening post of this topic, that he had a 2006 Copyright on his theory.

Ohboyohboyohboy- are you going to go sleuthing in the *Amazon?*
Bring us back something wild!

While I only noticed this recently, it seems like they liked the book.

Recommended for public library collections.

PS
Of course you should use your own judgment on any review, even if you like it, or not.
Amazon is a great way to test any possible book before you borrow or buy it.

Kat @ Sun Jan 07, 2007 1:19 am wrote:Ohboyohboyohboy- are you going to go sleuthing in the *Amazon?*
Bring us back something wild!

Sleuthing I went; and found way, way, too much BROWN muck,
Sucked into the mess, up to my neck I was stuck,
Struggled through the maze, and thought I was going to die,
Swam out, gasping for a breath of fresh air, oh my!

Good one Judy ! I love it !





Tracy...

theebmonique @ Sun Jan 07, 2007 6:36 pm wrote:Good one Judy ! I love it !

Tracy...

Thanks, Tracy - Glad you enjoyed it! I sure had fun writing it.

Read a fable by a man named Brown,
Stuff was getting so deep thought I'd drown.
When I got to the end of that crazy maze,
There in my face stood dear old Rays.


Sorry Ray, I just couldn't help it.

-1bigsteve (o:

Steve, you are an absolute hoot! Thank you; you made my day.

I know what you mean, Judy!
How many did you get thru?

Seems like propaganda, doesn't it?

Kat, I went through all 82 pages of the other reviews written by Acute Observer (Jersey Shore). I found 21 books that were either written about Lizzie or made mention of her; this reviewer, put in 12 plugs for Arnold Brown and 6 plugs for David Kent when writing up the reviews for these 21 books... It sure appears to be propaganda, to me.

Arnold Brown's book was published in August of 1991; the write up from the Library Journal was also written in 1991, by one person - 15 years ago. Does it only take one person's review and recommendation of a book to get it put on the public library collections list? If so, that is pretty sad. Furthermore, if it only takes one person, then Ray's statement of "recommended for public library collections", doesn't amount to a hill of beans, does it?

I've never put any faith in book "recommendations." Every book is made out to be the best thing since Gone With The Wind. Just because a library has one doesn't make that book the best one on that subject at that time. I've seen a lot of crap in Libraries and a lot of better books missing.

I expect RayS to drop his Polident over this but Libraries are really not my thing. To me checking out a library book is like looking at a chocolate cake that I can't eat and have to return.

Hi, Judy. Glad you liked it.

-1bigsteve (o:

I agree, Steve. A library recommended book doesn't mean dittally squat to me. I tend to read the books that I feel may be of interest to me, then form my own opinion as to whether it is any good or not. Any book that has been on the library recommended list for 15, going on 16, years is very outdated! Especially, since there is no documented proof, whatsoever, to Arnold Brown's theory; he couldn't even prove his own theory!

I asked my local Libary to take promotional bookmarks and/or flyers to advertise The Hatchet. They said they could not do that for something *for profit.*
I looked then at their shelf and they had :Brown and Lincoln! I told them, just for equal time, they should take a fact-based journal to counteract those 2 books!

Judy, you really did your homework!
Do you suppose *Acute Observer* gets a cut of the sales of Brown's book?!
Maybe he is really Brown, jr?

OMG...Kat...I was thinking that very thing only moments ago. It's our ESP again !





Tracy...

Kat @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 5:42 pm wrote:Judy, you really did your homework!
Do you suppose *Acute Observer* gets a cut of the sales of Brown's book?!
Maybe he is really Brown, jr?

No, your speculations are wrong again.
I'm doing this for fun, not for money.

I wonder how many others can make this statement?
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Kat @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:42 pm wrote:Judy, you really did your homework!
Do you suppose *Acute Observer* gets a cut of the sales of Brown's book?!
Maybe he is really Brown, jr?

Thanks, Kat. I do spend a bit of time doing research, before submitting a post, whenever the subject calls for it.

I see Ray responded by saying that he does this for fun, not money. Well, his life must be nothing but fun, fun, fun... ??? I suppose it is fun to plug your opinions and theories in whenever the opportunity presents itself. Just think of it, no one to disagree with anything you say! WOW! Ray would, definitely, consider this to be the ultimate fun thing to do.

Perhaps he is a Brown Clone? Anything is possible, you know.

Your speculations about the Amazon reviews does not really belong to this topic. Why not start your own?

Kat @ Mon Jan 08, 2007 4:42 pm wrote:Judy, you really did your homework!
Do you suppose *Acute Observer* gets a cut of the sales of Brown's book?!
Maybe he is really Brown, jr?

He sounds like someone trying to sell a book, doesn't he? I wonder who owns the rights to Brown's book. After all, negative publicity is still publicity!

Well gee Ray, we are only talking about Brown on a Brown Topic!

Besides Judy was only answering me- my own questions.
It's OK if I take over your topic, right?

Well Judy, I'm glad to know you do research and think about your posts and compose your posts! I noticed you said you even hold them in abeyance until you are ready. I do that too- it is exemplary- as far as I'm concerned!

He sounds like someone trying to sell a book, doesn't he? I wonder who owns the rights to Brown's book. After all, negative publicity is still publicity!

--Yooper

Exactly!

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Kat @ Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:03 am wrote:Well Judy, I'm glad to know you do research and think about your posts and compose your posts! I noticed you said you even hold them in abeyance until you are ready. I do that too- it is exemplary- as far as I'm concerned!

I agree, Kat. Depending on the contents, I double check the facts of my research before posting. Sometimes, I'll triple check the research facts, especially if it is a long post, before posting.

Kat @ Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:10 am wrote: what were we talking about

Good one, Kat. I love your sence of humor!

What with all the "Ooops", Kat? Your computer got the hiccups?

Kat @ Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:01 am wrote:Besides Judy was only answering me- my own questions.
It's OK if I take over your topic, right?

NO!!!
This topic started out to prove that the ruling class of FR gave Lizzie a pass on her decision to withhold what she knew about the murderer.

Comments about Amazon don't really belong here. You can visit that site and learn about what they suggest for a review.

Harry @ Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:42 am wrote:What with all the "Ooops", Kat? Your computer got the hiccups?

Well I removed what I wrote- but it turned out they add to my post count! Win-Win.