lizzie bridget and emma in it together

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lizzie bridget and emma in it together

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Think that there might have been a possiblity that all three of them could have been in it together in killing the parents. Neither one of the girls liked their step mother, and andrew was a tight wad. I know that emma was out of town, but the other two were at home, that might explain why noone was out of town. I mean the three of them could have hired someone to do it and with emma out of town, there was her alibi, but she could have been in on it. And it might explain why noone heard anything.
Also, too, bridget or lizzie could have let their hired hand in the house to do the dirty deed. Emma could have picked out the person, and then when it happened she could say that she was out of town.
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Partly we would have to believe that Emma never went anywhere, and her going away was out of character.
That makes her look suspicious, and lends credence to a conspiracy.
Personally, I think we don't know that Emma always stayed home- I'm beginning to think she went away more than we knew- even if just for day-long visitis or window-shopping out of town in the surrounding areas.
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Emma's sudden "vacation" and the arrival of John Moorse has always bothered me. I feel there is some connection between those two event's and the murders. According to Victoria Lincoln, John's visit with some talk about "money and wills" may have been the spark that finally set Lizzie on fire. No doubt Lizzie was up in her room listening to the talk going on downstairs. Emma being away and John leaving the house on the morning of the murders may have given Lizzie the much needed opportunity to commit the crimes or have it done. If Lizzie hired it done, how did she get word to the killer on the morning of the murders that the coast was clear? Did she arrange it the evening before? Did John arrange the killing? What did Lizzie pay the killer with? Did she have any money at that point in time?

I don't think more than one or two people were involved. Too much of a chance of a "mouth" running to the police. I suspect either Lizzie did the killing herself or she hired a killer and/or cooperated with the killer. I don't think the Doctor was involved with the killing itself but I feel he may have been trying to protect Lizzie and Emma by covering things over a bit.

It's a tough case to crack.

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HI!
It's a good question about If Lizzie had any money to pay a conspirator.

In the book Proceedings, Jenning's notes include this:
"l.  B. Brigham Mrs. George--After murder L. showed her her money and bank book and said 'Why should I do it?'"

If you look at Everett Cook in the trial, he writes a letter to the court giving the amount of Lizzie's deposit with his bank.*
I believe there are other places where you can find how much money Lizzie had before she inherited. You might read Emma's testimony at the Inquest or trial.

*Trial, page 500, Cook letter:
Page 500

MR. KNOWLTON. Oh, certainly. I was not going to read the "Dear Sir".


"First National Bank,

"Fall River, Mass. June 7th, 1893

"Hon. H. M. Knowlton,

"New Bedford, Mass.


"Dear Sir: ---

“I hasten to correct a statement made by me in Court this morning.

I was asked if Miss Lizzie A. Borden had any money on deposit in the 'Trust Co.', to which I replied, I did not think she had; but I find upon consulting Mr. Arthur W. Allen, Treas. of the B.M.C. Durfee Safe Deposit and Trust Co., that she had an account in said 'Trust Co.' Aug. 4th, 1892, and that her balance at close of business to-day"---meaning that day, I presume,---"is $172.75.

"Should you desire my presence in Court to testify to the same, will come over.

"Very respectively yours,

"Everett M. Cook"


--We know she had her 1/2 of the money Andrew gave the Borden girls for the Ferry Street property just weeks before.
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