Lizzie's novelist friend?

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Lizzie's novelist friend?

Postby Harry » Mon Feb 02, 2009 6:49 pm

The Source book (page 345) has a newspaper article covering an interview with Nance O'Neil dated June 4, 1927 from the New Bedford Standard. In part it says:

"... Miss Borden was accustomed to come frequently to Boston, to the Bellevue, to enjoy plays and concerts, and the company of a few friends, among whom Miss O'Neil recalls Mrs. Mary A. Livermore, and a brilliant woman novelist and her husband, who were not merely friends, but warm companions of Lizzie Borden. ..."

Any idea of whom this woman novelist could have been?
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Postby Susan » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:31 pm

Too bad the article doesn't mention the timeline to which Nance is referring. There was Edith Wharton who was married and fits in the time frame from after Lizzie's aquittal. But, she divorced her husband in 1913 after he had a nervous breakdown. So far, that is the only woman writer I could find that might fit the bill, I'm sure there are others.
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Postby mbhenty » Mon Feb 02, 2009 11:46 pm

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Yes Harry! Here's a possibility.

Below is a collectable book right from Lizzie Borden's personal library. Though not signed or initialed by Lizzie it is inscribed to Lizzie by the author. The question is how well she knew the author Huntington Smith.

Huntington Smith, who's real name was Anna Harris Smith was the founder of the Boston Animal Rescue where she was president for almost 30 years. Originally she worked with her husband as a journalist at his paper in Boston called the Beacon. Anna was a humanist working with a society that visited and assisted the needy. So she was quite the person.

Now whether she was friends with Lizzie I don't know but it was probably very likely. At the very least Mrs Huntington Smith met Lizzie and inscribed her book to her.

So, can this be the novelist the paper is speaking of? Mrs. Huntington Smith was from Boston and the paper mentions Lizzie and Boston etc.

So, this could be a possibility.

Mrs Huntington Smith's book takes on an entire new value. Not only is it inscribed by the author, but to Lizzie no less.
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Postby mbhenty » Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:23 am

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Here you go Harry.

I just discovered another connection between Lizzie and the author Huntington Smith. It appears that Mrs Smith purchased the land for the Pine Ridge Pet Cemetery in Dedham, Ma., where Lizzie's dogs are buried.

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Postby snokkums » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:34 am

Here is what I found out about Mary A Livermore. Mostly personal stuff.

Mary A Livermore was an American journalist, philanthropist, and leaturer during the 19th century. During the Civil War, she worked in hospitals, was a correspondant for several journals, an author and edited her husbands newspaper.

She was born in Boston December 19 1820 and graduated from the Boston Public Schools and then attended Female Seminary in Charleston Mass. She graduated after 2 years instead of the alloted 4 and joined the teaching stafff teaching Latin and English.

When the Civil War broke out Mary went to the front lines as a nurse and was often under fire.

Some other stuff I read I gather she and her husband lived in Chicago and did traveling and leaturing.

That's about all I could get.
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Postby snokkums » Tue Feb 03, 2009 5:36 am

Oh, should have put this in my last post. If you plug in her name and hit the google search button, you might find out more than I did.

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Postby kssunflower » Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:53 am

Huntington Smith was Anna's husband and a director with the Rescue League, so this was probably the couple Nance was referring to.

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Postby Harry » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:14 am

mbhenty @ Tue Feb 03, 2009 12:23 am wrote::smile:

Here you go Harry.

I just discovered another connection between Lizzie and the author Huntington Smith. It appears that Mrs Smith purchased the land for the Pine Ridge Pet Cemetery in Dedham, Ma., where Lizzie's dogs are buried.


Wow, great finds, MB! You've had your Sherlock Holmes hat on. Image

It would certainly be a possibility. Their common concern for animals would probably have led to a friendship or at least brought them into contact.

Again, GREAT finds!
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Postby Harry » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:23 am

Susan & Snokkums, thanks for the input.

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Postby Harry » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:33 am

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Postby mbhenty » Tue Feb 03, 2009 1:19 pm

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Yes Harry!

The book "Four Footed Friends" at one time was in the hands of a small child with a crayon. A couple of pages, including the front cover, has scribbling in crayon.

I like to think that this was done at Maplecroft, that Lizzie had a tiny visitor and gave her/he the book to play with, but this is very unlikely and not the facts. This would mean that Lizzie kept crayons. Don't know about that?

But I chose to believe it, and it will be my little fact. Anything to humanize Lizzie's kindness, which is all but lacking in the printed world.

The book above was a great find. When it went up for sale through auction it failed to reach reserve in two separate auctions. Both times I was the high bidder, thus eventually the book ended up in my hands.

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Four Footed Friends now sits proudly on my shelf where it is well loved.

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Postby snokkums » Tue Feb 03, 2009 4:34 pm

kssunflower @ Tue Feb 03, 2009 10:53 am wrote:Huntington Smith was Anna's husband and a director with the Rescue League, so this was probably the couple Nance was referring to.


Ok, I missed something here. Who is Huntington Smith? Is it someone lizzie knew?
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Postby kssunflower » Wed Feb 04, 2009 12:37 pm

Snokks, I was just adding to mbhenty's post about Anna Smith. Sorry for the confusion.

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Postby mbhenty » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:02 pm

Yes Snokkums:

Harry mentioned that Lizzie was seen with a well known novelist in Boston. We were trying to sort out who it could be.

I brought up Mrs. Huntington Smith. Mrs. Smith was married to a newspaper editor named Huntington Smith. Her real name was Anna Harris Smith.

The connection with Lizzie is that Lizzie had Mrs. Huntington Smith's book in her library. Mrs Smith inscribed the book to Lizzie. Whether this was the author mentioned by Harry in the first Post above in which Lizzie was seen with in Boston is just a guess on my part; but an educated guess.

Chances that Lizzie was well aquatinted with Mrs. Huntington Smith is a good bet. Why else would Lizzie have a children's book inscribed to her in her personal Library. My guess is that Mrs. Huntington Smith was friends with Lizzie.

Some may call Lizzie what they like but, if one studies her last will and testament they will discover that Lizzie was very generous with those who were close to her. Again, chances are that Lizzie could have made contributions to the Boston Animal Rescue League which was founded by Mrs. Huntington (Anna Harris) Smith.

The Fall River Animal Rescue League was not started till 1913 or 14 so, before that time if Lizzie wanted to help animals Mrs. Smith's organization would be a good source. One can imagine how they easily could have been friends.

Below are a few pages from Mrs. Huntington Smith's book FOUR FOOTED FRIENDS.
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Postby mbhenty » Wed Feb 04, 2009 2:14 pm

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Here is some interesting info:

If one goes to the Fall River Animal Rescue League Web site, the same organization which Lizzie left a substantial (huge) amount of money at time of her death, and checks out the section of their site under "History" there is no mention of Lizzie.

But check the wall behind the people in the photo supplied with the site.

My, my..............


http://www.faxonarl.org/about.htm






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Postby snokkums » Wed Feb 04, 2009 4:54 pm

No problem. I did miss something. Thanks mb henty. Sometimes I do that. LOL.
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Postby Kat » Thu Feb 05, 2009 4:58 am

That's good stuff you guys.

I have a question- animal stories, are they considered novels? Do we know what else she wrote?
(I'm on ancient laptop that cannot search as well as hold this page at the same time... :smile: )

The time frame for what Nance claims would have to be before Mrs. Livermore died. According to Hoffman, her dates are 1820- 1905. He says she died in Melrose, MA. I don't know where that is.

Yes I was looking in Lizzie's and Emma's wills for Mrs. Smith too, but did not find her.

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Postby Kat » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:02 am

OH!
The book "Four Footed Friends" at one time was in the hands of a small child with a crayon. A couple of pages, including the front cover, has scribbling in crayon.

I like to think that this was done at Maplecroft, that Lizzie had a tiny visitor and gave her/he the book to play with, but this is very unlikely and not the facts. This would mean that Lizzie kept crayons. Don't know about that?
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Postby mbhenty » Thu Feb 05, 2009 12:51 pm

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Yes Kat:

That's where the kink in my discovery develops. Mrs. Huntington Smith was not a novelist, or at least I have never seen any novels written by her.

The only other book that I know of written by Mrs Huntington Smith was written under her real name: Anna Harris Smith. This was an inspirational book of verse called "Golden Words for Daily Councel". She also wrote for her husbands newpaper.

Keeping in mind how reckless journalists can be with the truth and how they love to embellish, and how many journalists have ears like fruit filled turnovers; flipped closed or full of raisins, I have seen it over and over again how they get it worng.........., especially description thus, the word novelist could mean writer.

So the fact that a "journalist" describes the writer as a "novelist" she/he could mean "writer who writes books".

Of course, this is a play on ideas and the writer is most likely not Mrs Smith.

................but who's to know, could be, could be.

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Postby mbhenty » Thu Feb 05, 2009 1:23 pm

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To amend my post above a-bit........

I went looking to see if Mrs Anna Harris Smith or Mrs Huntington Smith (both the same person) had written anything else.

It appears she wrote two other books called:

A Longfellow Calendar and A Tennyson Calender

Both along the lines of inspiration. Not novels.

Below is a site with an example of one of them.



http://books.google.com/books?id=rnznuM ... lt#PPP1,M1





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Postby Shelley » Thu Feb 05, 2009 2:04 pm

Yes, my first thought was the "dog lady" because I recall one of Lizzie's books on EBAY last year which I bid on- about Animal Vivisection- the title was something like that. In any event it was very much against using animals in laboratories and dissecting them (dogs) for science. Of course, there were so many lady novelists! Hard to know for sure. Some of them even wrote under initials or used a man's name so it was hard to tell the gender.

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Postby Kat » Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:53 am

Thanks MB.

I was wondering also if Miss Nance had her facts straight. Being an actress, she might be making a good story better by putting all the famous women together in one place at one time- when possibly it was on different occasions.** That part doesn't really matter except if an attempt is made to figure out what year that could have happened in Boston. Livermore was getting pretty old.

Still, it's a good story- I can picture these strong famous women walking along shoulder to shoulder down Newbury Street in Boston and some martial music in the background like a music video! Lizbeth, Livermore, Nance and the famous Novelist. :wink:

Maybe William can ascertain a date?

**Well, maybe Nance doesn't exactly say that- but that's what it sounds like to me and what I picture from the newspaper blurb...

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