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I'm just now reading through some material that someone new posted. However, I did a search on the forum and didn't see the results I would have liked.

What are the odds that Dr. Bowen was the murder? No one would have suspected him of being there (Abby after all did complain of stomach upset) and being a doctor, I'm sure he could have/ would have helped with an abortion (playing on the theme of Andrew being a bad man). If he knew about the incest or rapes, it could have pushed him over the edge. Perhaps he and Lizzie or Emma had something going.

Anyway, back to reading and studying here... please don't shoot me or chastise me if it's already been discussed. Like I said, I didn't find the results. :oops:
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I've always thought Bowen acted oddly on the day of the murders and thereafter, especially considering his sworn testimony. I have no idea why a maid would call the doctor across the street "Uncle Warren"...it's like the Fall River caste system turned on end. Certainly the hatchet could've gone out the door in his medical bag. Burning papers in the kitchen stove on the afternoon of a double homicide seems improbable. Where did he go for so long, and why, when he went out the send the telegram to Emma. Prussic acid was used for a plethora of medical purposes in the 1890s, although maybe not so much as a few decades earlier, so prescribing it wouldn't raise eyebrows even though it was also an abortifacient.

However, ALL the doctors involved in the Borden case acted in ways that would be totally unacceptable even 50 years ago, starting with a preliminary autopsy in the dining room. So even though Bowen has been near the top of my list of People Acting Strangely, judging him from a 21st century perspective likely leads to questionable conclusions. Like so many others, I think he knew a lot more than he let on. This case is like an iceberg: what's under the surface is a lot bigger than what we see above the water.
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Oh, yes, I agree that there were several things that didn't add up (even for that time period) and there were several people who weren't acting right either. I need to find a notebook and re-read through some of these posts. There are a TON of posts and pages. I just heard about the maid calling the doctor, Uncle Warren.. fascinating.
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Doctors don't murder with violence using hatchets. They don't need to, unless they suffer from insanity. They have so many other means at their disposal. Every doctor that I can think of off the top of my head who murdered (Cream, Palmer, Crippen, Lamson, Shipman) used poison in drugs. Dr John Webster in Boston in 1850 struck and killed a colleague but that was the result of long-standing enmity plus a sudden quarrel.

If Bowen meant Andrew and Abby harm then the Wednesday morning when Abby appealed to him would have been the ideal opportunity. She was already unwell and he could have popped something in her medicine, no questions asked. Instead we get Mrs Churchill stating that she saw him nearly in tears after discovering the body of his old neighbour. Bowen had no motive and was out on his rounds when Andrew was killed anyway.

Bowen didn't take too long a time away that Thursday morning. He went to the Post Office to deliver the telegram and stopped off at a pharmacy for drugs, some of which he gave Lizzie to calm her (not that she needed it as she was perfectly calm.) Going to a pharmacy for drug supplies was perfectly normal in those days, when so many physicians mixed their own medicines.
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Dr, H.H. Holmes...then again, comparing Bowen to Holmes might not be an apt choice... :smiliecolors:

I don't think Bowen was the hatchet man, nor do I think he conspired to kill either of them. But I wonder how much he figured out after the fact.
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I think Bowen's time that morning was well accounted for. Interesting to me is as I understand it Bowen saw a female who was ill at the very house Morse was visiting. It is my understanding Bowen arrived at the time Morse was leaving.
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Yes, I agree Holmes had been medically trained, but he wasn't a practising physician at the time of his murders. Property development, drug stores, hotels perhaps. 'smile'. He was a sadist, which most murdering doctors aren't. Dr Petiot was similar to Holmes and murdered for thrills AND profit in wartime Paris. He did have a medical practice at the time.
Shipman liked the power of life over death aspect, Cream enjoyed the experimental nature of poison, Crippen wanted to get rid of his wife once and for all, and Lamson and Palmer murdered for profit.

Anyway, Bowen wasn't like any of the above, so far as is known! He was seen thundering down Second street in his trap returning from his morning calls only minutes after Bridget had scurried across the road.
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Curryong wrote:Doctors don't murder with violence using hatchets. They don't need to, unless they suffer from insanity. They have so many other means at their disposal. Every doctor that I can think of off the top of my head who murdered (Cream, Palmer, Crippen, Lamson, Shipman) used poison in drugs. Dr John Webster in Boston in 1850 struck and killed a colleague but that was the result of long-standing enmity plus a sudden quarrel.

If Bowen meant Andrew and Abby harm then the Wednesday morning when Abby appealed to him would have been the ideal opportunity. She was already unwell and he could have popped something in her medicine, no questions asked. Instead we get Mrs Churchill stating that she saw him nearly in tears after discovering the body of his old neighbour. Bowen had no motive and was out on his rounds when Andrew was killed anyway.

Bowen didn't take too long a time away that Thursday morning. He went to the Post Office to deliver the telegram and stopped off at a pharmacy for drugs, some of which he gave Lizzie to calm her (not that she needed it as she was perfectly calm.) Going to a pharmacy for drug supplies was perfectly normal in those days, when so many physicians mixed their own medicines.
I agree. If he played a part, it was after the deed was done! If he had been in on the planning it would probably have never gone down in history at all....
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It was an awful sloppy job for a doctor to have committed or planned. Plus Bowen was so shocked on that day he could hardly function as a doctor.
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MysteryReader wrote:…What are the odds that Dr. Bowen was the murder? No one would have suspected him of being there (Abby after all did complain of stomach upset) and being a doctor, I'm sure he could have/ would have helped with an abortion (playing on the theme of Andrew being a bad man). If he knew about the incest or rapes, it could have pushed him over the edge. Perhaps he and Lizzie or Emma had something going. …
I don’t know if you may have run across this article during your forum search, but thought I would post this just in case you didn’t. Harry posted this article on Jan 31, 2013, in the thread titled: ‘My theory ... Lizzie was not alone’. http://mondolizzie.com/LBForum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5106

This article was written by Richard Powers, a retired state prison guard and Maryland historian, for the Chief of Police magazine, vol. iv., no.4, July / August, 1989, entitled "The Death Of A Massachusetts Trojan." Mr. Powers’ theory places the blame for the Borden murders directly on Dr. S. W. Bowen. It does not mention incest or rape, but it is an interesting read, although it is not very factual.
ZZZZZ ~ The Death Of A Massachusetts Trojan.pdf

I have always believed that there was something more between Dr. Bowen and Lizzie than a patient/doctor relationship, as well as a neighbor/friend relationship. Dr. Bowen testified that he did not go to the Borden house on social calls, and that most of his visits there were on business or as a physician. Yet, he escorted Lizzie to her church and sat in the Borden seat, while the rest of the Borden family was away on the farm in Swansea. Dr. Bowen was a member of the First Baptist Church in Fall River, yet he accompanies Lizzie to the Central Congregational Church??? I find this action quite suspicious.

Furthermore, where was Dr. Bowen’s wife? Why did he choose to be with Lizzie rather than his wife? I don’t believe Lizzie and Dr. Bowen were having an affair, but they were apparently closer than a physician/patient relationship indicates. I find it very strange that Dr. Bowen escorts Lizzie to her church, but then testified that he made no social calls at the Borden house. Really???

I also find it suspicious that Dr. Bowen was the family doctor before the murders, but after the trial we don’t hear of any connection between him and the Borden girls. Why??? I wonder if Dr. Bowen may have realized that his actions with Lizzie, before and after the murders, were threatening his profession as a physician, and therefore the physician/patient relationship between him and the Borden girls had to cease.

I posted the above information in the thread titled, LETS DO THIS…. Here is the link if you wish to read the other information I posted there; http://tinyurl.com/k789cnb

Whatever Dr. Bowen knew, he took it to the grave with him.
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Thank you, Twinsrwe!
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You're welcome. I'll continue looking around to see if I can find anything regarding Dr. Bowen doing abortions and/or knew of incest or rapes within the Borden household.
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Thanks, Twinsrwe. I've put that aside for the moment and am focused on Bridget's nephew, Dennis Sullivan (he was mentioned in her will).
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Fascinating stuff, twins. Thanks for all that! I don't think there was any affair going on between Lizzie and Bowen, however. In those days a doctor's 'bedside manner' was considered extremely important. Victoria Lincoln infers, doesn't she, that Bowen was considered 'an old smoothie'. I don't think we should forget that the person who was outraged by Lizzie and the doctor sitting together in Church was Jane Gray, Abby's stepmother, who no doubt spread the rumour about a bit. The Grays, Whiteheads, Fishes and Hiram Harringtons loathed Lizzie and were only to glad to have something to gossip about regarding her.

Lizzie apparently didn't like Phoebe Bowen too much because Phoebe was fond of Abby and that rubbed Lizzie the wrong way. Dr Bowen would probably have liked to have been a social visitor at no. 92, but Andrew, disapproving of doctors, would have been sitting glowering all the time! The Bordens didn't have their neighbours visiting them too much anyway. Didn't Abby say something about that when she was telling Andrew off about being nasty to Dr Bowen?

Feelings seem to have been mixed in Fall River about Lizzie, and then hardened over the years. Maybe, as a respected and respectable physician, Dr Bowen decided to be discreet and not be so friendly, as it might hurt his practice.
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MysteryReader wrote:Thanks, Twinsrwe. I've put that aside for the moment and am focused on Bridget's nephew, Dennis Sullivan (he was mentioned in her will).
You're welcome. I understand your wanting to set this aside for awhile - don't worry, it will be here when you have the time to read it. :grin:
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I think Bowen protected Lizzie, whether or not she was guilty...whether or not he was guilty. I don't mean he walked out with the hatchet in his medical bag, but I don't completely discount the possibility either. Yes, it would ruin his practice, his marriage, possibly his freedom, to be complicit even in the cover-up. But people rarely commit crimes with the plan of being caught; they either do so on impulse or because they think they'll get away with it. The rare person commits a crime with absolute conviction of getting convicted.
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Curryong wrote:Fascinating stuff, twins. Thanks for all that! I don't think there was any affair going on between Lizzie and Bowen, however. In those days a doctor's 'bedside manner' was considered extremely important. Victoria Lincoln infers, doesn't she, that Bowen was considered 'an old smoothie'. I don't think we should forget that the person who was outraged by Lizzie and the doctor sitting together in Church was Jane Gray, Abby's stepmother, who no doubt spread the rumour about a bit. The Grays, Whiteheads, Fishes and Hiram Harringtons loathed Lizzie and were only to glad to have something to gossip about regarding her.

Lizzie apparently didn't like Phoebe Bowen too much because Phoebe was fond of Abby and that rubbed Lizzie the wrong way. Dr Bowen would probably have liked to have been a social visitor at no. 92, but Andrew, disapproving of doctors, would have been sitting glowering all the time! The Bordens didn't have their neighbours visiting them too much anyway. Didn't Abby say something about that when she was telling Andrew off about being nasty to Dr Bowen?

Feelings seem to have been mixed in Fall River about Lizzie, and then hardened over the years. Maybe, as a respected and respectable physician, Dr Bowen decided to be discreet and not be so friendly, as it might hurt his practice.
You're welcome, Curryong. It's true that the story of Dr. Bowen escorting Lizzie to Church came from Jane Gray, and that there were ill feeling between her and Lizzie. As far as I know, there is nothing which disproves the story Jane told Harrington & Doherty.
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debbiediablo wrote:I think Bowen protected Lizzie, whether or not she was guilty...whether or not he was guilty. I don't mean he walked out with the hatchet in his medical bag, but I don't completely discount the possibility either. Yes, it would ruin his practice, his marriage, possibly his freedom, to be complicit even in the cover-up. But people rarely commit crimes with the plan of being caught; they either do so on impulse or because they think they'll get away with it. The rare person commits a crime with absolute conviction of getting convicted.
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I'm not the only one who thinks there was something more to the relationship between Lizzie and Dr. Bowen than a patient/physician relationship.

On Oct 17, 2005, Allen posted:

Does everyone think that the scenario of Lizzie being smitten with Dr. Bowen is too far fetched? Personally I don't think so. I think this issue is very intriguing and I would like to keep the conversation going to see where it might lead. I'll try not to repost very much from the other thread but I'm not sure of the protocol for starting a new thread based on information from another.

Dr. Bowen and Lizzie had already caused a stir by attending church together. So even if Dr. Bowen was just trying to be neighborly and friendly it's possible Lizzie could've mistaken his attentions for something they were not. Or it's possible they were carrying on an affair of some sort. As DWilly stated in his post from the other thread.



DWilly Posted: Sun Oct 16, 2005 2:35 pm:

"Two things stand out for me on this whole Dr. Bowen thing. One, I don't think he liked Andrew. Andrew treated him like a second class citizen. Second, I always thought it was rather odd how Bowen seemed to have such warm feelings toward Lizzie and yet, he was so indifferent to the rest of the Borden family."

What would've been the occassion that allowed a married man to attend church services with his unmarried 28 year old neighbor? He stated in his testimony that the only occassion he had to be inside the Borden home was on business when someone was ill. So how did he and Lizzie get so friendly? Where did they get the opportunity to become so friendly that they attended church together? It was evidently outside the Borden home.There is evidence that people of Fall River at the time held suspicions about Dr. Bowen and Lizzie as well. Had Mrs. Bowen heard these rumors? How would she react to them?

I also find it odd that he would take it upon himself to tear up a note in the Borden home on the day of murders, then try and piece it back together, and then burn it. I don't believe it belonged to him at all. He also appeared not to know the contents of the note. Officer Harrington testified that he saw the name "Emma" in the upper left hand corner.Kat was kind enough to post that the name of Dr. Bowen's daughter was Florence, and not Emma. I won't repost my entire post from the other thread but these are my theories on Lizzie's possible feelings for Dr. Bowen. Maybe this also explain the hurried move after Lizzie was aquitted. Maybe it was partly in order move away from the Bowen's out of embarrassment, along with an I'll show them attitude for the people of Fall River, and a longing to live in style.

"This could also explain why Lizzie sent for DR. BOWEN first. Dr. Bowen was also one of the people shut up into her room with her for a good deal of time on that day. A member of the police Force seemed to describe him as almost guarding the door. It could also explain why Mrs. Bowen was sent away by her husband. What can upset a woman more than having the rival to her affections present? Even if the affair was only going on in Lizzie's mind, a sort of unrequited crush that Bowen was fully aware of but could do nothing about, it kind of makes sense. Lizzie had never been married, no beau existed that we can conclusively prove as anything other than rumor, I'm sure she was very lonely. It would only be human for her to be lonely. An extremely lonley woman could have fallen for Dr. Bowen, fantasized about the two of them being together, or completely mistaken his intentions toward her by seeing only what she wanted to see. "

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We might agree that Lizzie had "daddy" issues and it caused her to fixate on the good doctor. I've seen true crime shows (and read about them) where the female commits a crime and her accomplice is an older male. Usually by the end of the show or book, it comes out what a horrible person she believed her father to be (sometimes, it was real but more often, than not, it was imagined).
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In various literature of the period that I've read, and even as late as before the second world war, men like doctors and clergymen were warned that sometimes unmarried ladies would get crushes on their spiritual or medical advisers that might be somewhat uncomfortable and embarrassing. I do think Lizzie, lonely and starved of love, did have a bit of a crush on her doctor. I also think that Bowen didn't really discourage this, though I don't believe he was having a full-blown affair with Lizzie. That might have wrecked his practice and I think he was very careful of that.

He was very likely called in at no. 92 when Lizzie was young and ill at some time. He was probably kind and indulgent, patted her hand, recommended a few days in bed being coddled, that sort of thing. She probably grew to have every confidence in him.

As I said before, I don't think Lizzie and Phoebe Bowen particularly liked each other, because of Abby and maybe because Lizzie perhaps fantasised about how good a doctor's wife she would be if given the chance. Not like Phoebe!
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Here's another whole can of beetles.

I grew up in fall river. Have lived here most of my life.

I have told this story before. But since there are a whole new group of people on the forum, here it goes again.

I have this friend who's father owned a construction company. The company's main function was not building but tearing down. Years later my friend inherited the company from his father and his son from him. Since, the company has gone out of business. So what is this all about.

My friend and his father knocked down Dr. Bowen's house. He was like 15 at the time and would help his father on weekends.

He said, when they tore down Dr. Bowen's house that there was a small tunnel in the cellar going under the street in the direction of the Borden house. I'm not joking here. He swears by it. I asked him how big it was, he said big enough that a man could go through without crawling. I asked him about it and his age and perhaps it was not a tunnel but some sort of pipe. He swears that it was a tunnel.

Of course, if there was such a tunnel, police would have found it. Or maybe the tunnel when to the old Buffington house next door to 92. That house burnt down. I'll need to ask him if his father knocked down that one? Hmmm?

After I heard the story, the next time I was at number 92 second street I looked for signs of foundation work or some place where the tunnel could have come through. There was nothing, no proof. He was so certain that we were going to interview him in depth and write up an article for the old Hatchet magazine.

Now here is some interesting information that many may already know.

Southard Miller, Bowen's father-in-law, built the Bowen house. But... he also built the Trafton House or Borden house at 92.

Makes you want to think? :?: :roll:
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[quote="mbhenty"]:smile:

Here's another whole can of beetles.

I grew up in fall river. Have lived here most of my life.

I have told this story before. But since there are a whole new group of people on the forum, here it goes again.


My friend and his father knocked down Dr. Bowen's house. He was like 15 at the time and would help his father on weekends.

He said, when they tore down Dr. Bowen's house that there was a small tunnel in the cellar going under the street in the direction of the Borden house. I'm not joking here. He swears by it. I asked him how big it was, he said big enough that a man could go through without crawling. I asked him about it and his age and perhaps it was not a tunnel but some sort of pipe. He swears that it was a tunnel.

Of course, if there was such a tunnel, police would have found it. Or maybe the tunnel when to the old Buffington house next door to 92. That house burnt down. I'll need to ask him if his father knocked down that one? Hmmm?

After I heard the story, the next time I was at number 92 second street I looked for signs of foundation work or some place where the tunnel could have come through. There was nothing, no proof. He was so certain that we were going to interview him in depth and write up an article for the old Hatchet magazine.

Now here is some interesting information that many may already know.

Southard Miller, Bowen's father-in-law, built the Bowen house. But... he also built the Trafton House or Borden house at 92.

Wow! First, I'm jealous cause you live there! But oh my goodness!! :shock: could there have been a tunnel leading to the barn perhaps or to one of the other houses, like you said? That would be a GREAT way to either hide certain items or to use it to dispose of them. Of course, it could have also been used for other things, too, like Dr. Bowen and Lizzie pursuing their relationship? :shock: Mind boggling. Is it possible for you to look at other houses near by to see if they could be connected to the tunnel? Maybe it was used to transport slaves, the underground railroad?
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When he tells the story he is so serious and convincing.

But as you say it could have gone anywhere.

Today there are no houses.

The only house left on this section of 2nd street is the Borden Place and Doc. Kelly's.

The neighborhood and the street itself has gone through drastic redevelopment. Nothing is left. Nothing. If you look at the photo below the borden house is just on the left behind the trees. You can see the Catholic church on the right. The huge building you see is the new court house. It use to be a mall and bus station years ago, and before that it was where the Bowen house stood.
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Shoot! Is it possible to see if it went to the barn, perhaps? I'm guessing that when those houses were torn down and the new buildings put into place, the tunnel was filled up or closed off.
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It's a shame the Bowen house was destroyed, and the new court house put up in it's place. The court house really looks out of place, and takes away from the historic value of the surrounding area. :sad:

A tunnel running from the Bowen house towards the Borden house is intriguing. The police would have found a tunnel if there were one, wouldn't they? However, it would be interesting to know if your friend remembers any other details about this tunnel.
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I agree about the courthouse. It does look out of place! Would the police have found one if they weren't looking for it? I bet they have hid it so well that it wouldn't be found at a glance.
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Good point, MysteryReader. The tunnel leading from the Bowen house was not discovered until the house was being tore down, so it appears as though it was a 'secret' or 'hidden' tunnel.
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So Franz's strangers didn't have to talk their way into the front door after all....someone should really alert Franz to this. A tunnel makes Mrs. Churchill and Alice and every other witness on the street totally irrelevant.
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A great refresher course on Dr. Bowen is lizziebordenwarpsandwefts.com/2996-2 . That site is copyrighted but there are articles posted there that are probably available elsewhere.

His birthday was July 22, 1940. He almost shared Lizzie's birthday except he was about 20 years older.

He was Southard Miller's son-in-law. I would assume the tunnel found would have something to do with the underground railroad. On the other hand, what went on in Fall River during the Revolution or War of 1812?

In 1896 he spoke at a commencement for a nursing class. That same year he became a partner in a metal casting business. He was still involved in a version of this in 1899. He may only have been an investor though I had an idea he had left medicine and entered this business. Maybe or maybe not. My source for that idea is somewhere else.

Bowen was very involved with the FR hospital in years after the murders so it looks like he did OK. The site cited above also includes the note that Dr. Bowen has a JAMA citation 70:868.

My feeling about Dr. Bowen escorting Lizzie to church is that Lizzie had had some sort of crisis, mental or physical, he had been helping her and going to church was something she needed at that time. On the other hand maybe there was something special going on at the church and he was her guest. Would it have been scandalous if others who disliked Lizzie had not made something nasty out of it? Anyway that is my first impression of the situation. I may not be right but it's a feeling I have.

I do think Lizzie may have had a crush on him but I feel she behaved appropriately. However I have suggested/wondered before, if Lizzie could have done anything to get Dr. Bowen's attention in inappropriate ways. I believe if she shoplifted it was to get her father's love and attention. Could she have done things to have the assurance of Bowen's friendship/caring? How much could his ministrations have affected her behaviour after the murders? If not for him would she have cracked and confessed if she was guilty?

I don't think he had any part in the murders nor overtly in any cover up. I do wonder what he may have inadvertently assisted after the fact. He ran a lot of interference for Lizzie. Would he for example have been quiet about a few bloodstains on a skirt if Lizzie insisted the cause was "flea bites"? On the other hand he must have had a strong opinion about whether or not Lizzie tried to buy prussic acid, what she might have used it for, etc. Perhaps he accepted her word that she had not even gone to the pharmacy...
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it is fascinating, but I can't help but be very doubtful it linked the two houses. Andrew allowing a tunnel to remain passable? IF there ever even was one, I bet he sealed it off, but good.
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True, unless HE was the one to use it for some reason...
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Did Fall River have problems with pirates at any time in history?
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Andrew was an employee of Phoebe Miller's father in the mid-1840's. The two men were close enough later for Andrew to be a witness of Miller's new will in the Spring of 1892. Miller built many buildings Fall River, including No 92 for one Charles Trafton around 1845-49. Maybe the tunnel was built then? Trafton, an overseer of carding in one of the early mills, sold no. 92 to Andrew Borden in April 1872.

However, I don't think it had anything to do with their business. Andrew wasn't at Second St then, anyway. Could it have been some primitive sort of sewage tunnel, and does the FRHS know about it, I wonder?

According to Wiki (and yes, I know!) Plymouth Avenue (interstate 195) and Second St are part of the Fall River Corky Row historic district, developed between 1840 and 1870. So it doesn't look as if there was anything there before the 1840's. This was a time when Fall River was just beginning to develop as a mill town, and there were lots of Irish immigrants coming into the town (and into the US) due to the Famine in Ireland. They built and inhabited tenement houses in this part of town.
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A number of mysterious tunnels in towns have turned out to be old municipal efforts like sewers or water works. However we know the state of no sewers in FR in Lizzie's time. Some mysterious tunnels are natural, especially if there is a limestone strata. Water over time creates tunnels and caves. This can be the basis for sink holes that swallow streets and cars. I am ignorant of the geology of FR. Out west the Chinese made a lot of tunnels under the Chinatown areas of towns and cities. I am not sure why.

Again I wonder if FR had an important part in the Revolution? Could ammunition or other goods have been hidden in a tunnel there? Again, I am ignorant of the history. It is possible a tunnel type affair could have been used for storage of something else, like food. What is FR's history with Native Americans? Were there Indian wars during which people would have hidden underground?
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debbiediablo wrote:Did Fall River have problems with pirates at any time in history?
Not that I know of, and I would expect to. The location is not particularly vulnerable, and by the time there was anything much in FR to steal, piracy was pretty completely suppressed in the North Atlantic, and greatly reduced in the Gulf and the Caribbean.

However:

In 1812 there was a substantial pond-and-watercourse system leading from very near-- a few hundred feet- the Borden and Bowen house sites to the Taunton River just south of "Durfees Warf" which appears to have been the main or only landing site for the young community.

The pre-1812 federal Embargo, which attempted to isolate the US from all non coastal commerce (the Navy was not powerful enough to protect our ships neutrality, so we attempted to take our ball and go home in desperation) was grossly unpopular, and not merely circumvented, but flat out ignored by a substantial part of seagoing America. It is not hard to imagine that contraband exports and imports might have travelled by tunnel to and from the ponds and thence to or from the "Warf" and the sea, travelling the water part of the journey at night. The local authorities were unlikely to stop you on land, but the Navy would at sea, and the Navy had eyes in every port.

Further, throughout the war of 1812, Wellington's army in Portugal was supplied with textiles, leather, beef, pork, mutton, grains, vegetables, and even on occasion gunpowder, run, and whale oil, by New England merchants who were unwilling to let a little thing like war with their customer divert them from major profits. The US was the supplymaster to Napoleon's defeat in Spain every bit as much as it was for Stalin in WW II.

Needless to say, these merchants needed to be rather circumspect about transporting such cargo; unlike the embargo, local authorities most definitely tried to put a stop to such trade. Tunnels might well have been useful.

(FWIW this treasonous trade actually wound up being of great service to the country; the merchants taking such a risk demanded hard cash in payment-- bullion and specie. By the end of the war they had stripped Britain of a huge chunk of her reserves; and the money then brought out of hiding stimulated the postwar boom in the present day Midwest hugely; the canals, roads, railroads, mills, steamboats, mines, etc which made states of Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin, and Minnesota were "financible" because of gold and silver acquired in payments from Wellington.)

But also keep in mind that tunnels can be wine and root cellars, storehouses for whiskey (in a world where paper money spiraled toward worthlessness very quickly, whiskey was a currency. Protected from the sun it would retain its value indefinitely, and could be made out of unsold grain very easily,) tar, pitch, oakum, oils, all sorts of things you wouldn't necessarily want in the house proper. A tunnel doesn't have to go anywhere.
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These are all very good, interesting suggestions, tj. You are correct of course, a tunnel needn't actually go anywhere. However, what became Second St seems to have been quite a way away from what was then (in 1812) the very small settlement of Troy (later Fall River.)

The tunnel was apparently both brick lined and large enough for a man to crawl through. Rather a lot of trouble to go to for a store-house for smuggled goods. The district in which Second St falls was not developed until 1840 and after.

It could have been used for storage of things like whisky etc. The Borden household was a temperance one, but perhaps Andrew had a secret supply! Bear in mind though that no 92 had deep cellars anyway, where Andrew kept his vinegar and pickles. It just appears to me to be one of those uninteresting tunnels that was probably something to do with draining and sewage.

What we need is an old map of Fall River in 1840. We might get some idea, when comparing it to a modern map, of what was going on.
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Yes, unfortunately most maps do not show what is underground. The earliest map I once had in my collection of fall river was from a 1871 Atlas, like the one below.

Now I started the story about the tunnel, so please let me say that, I have argued with my friend about the tunnel. I tried to convince him that I was in the Borden cellar and looked for it. Though I am not in construction, I have done quite a bit of building and constructing. Unless an entire foundation wall was replaced, there were no signs that a tunnel ever existed in the Borden house. If one did you would see some patch work either in color, texture, or the shape of a tunnel on the foundation wall in the basement. There was none.

But he still insisted that one existed, that it went in the direction of the Borden house. (Personally I believe him. But where it really went or what it was used for is anybody's guess) And that he walked into it. Now I spoke to him years ago and would need to do so again to come up with any details. Next time I see him I will, which is usually around Christmas.

He and his father were responsible for knocking down the old City Hall. You can see the old clock below that Bridget heard sounding off on the day of the crime.
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Also, not sure an 1840 map would help. Not sure when the Bowen house was built, before or after 92, but the Charles Trafton House AKA 92 Second Street was built in 1845.

I did an extensive study of the house and of Charles Trafton, the original owner. There's an excellent article about both in the Hatchet, A Journal of Lizzie Borden & Victorian Studies, Vol 6 Issue 26 Fall 2009. Why is it excellent you may ask? I wrote it. :lol: :roll: Just joking. (But I did write it)
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The Cask of Amontillado

by Edgar Allan Poe


The thousand injuries of Fortunato I had borne as I best could, but
when he ventured upon insult, I vowed revenge. You, who so well know
the nature of my soul, will not suppose, however, that I gave utterance
to a threat. _At length_ I would be avenged; this was a point definitely
settled--but the very definitiveness with which it was resolved,
precluded the idea of risk. I must not only punish, but punish with
impunity. A wrong is unredressed when retribution overtakes its
redresser. It is equally unredressed when the avenger fails to make
himself felt as such to him who has done the wrong.

It must be understood that neither by word nor deed had I given
Fortunato cause to doubt my good will. I continued, as was my wont, to
smile in his face, and he did not perceive that my smile _now_ was at
the thought of his immolation.

He had a weak point--this Fortunato--although in other regards he was a
man to be respected and even feared. He prided himself on his
connoisseurship in wine. Few Italians have the true virtuoso spirit.
For the most part their enthusiasm is adopted to suit the time and
opportunity--to practice imposture upon the British and Austrian
_millionaires_. In painting and gemmary, Fortunato, like his countrymen,
was a quack--but in the matter of old wines he was sincere. In this
respect I did not differ from him materially: I was skillful in the
Italian vintages myself, and bought largely whenever I could.

It was about dusk, one evening during the supreme madness of the
carnival season, that I encountered my friend. He accosted me with
excessive warmth, for he had been drinking much. The man wore motley.
He had on a tight-fitting party-striped dress, and his head was
surmounted by the conical cap and bells. I was so pleased to see him,
that I thought I should never have done wringing his hand.

I said to him--"My dear Fortunato, you are luckily met. How remarkably
well you are looking to-day! But I have received a pipe of what passes
for Amontillado, and I have my doubts."

"How?" said he. "Amontillado? A pipe? Impossible! And in the middle
of the carnival!"

"I have my doubts," I replied; "and I was silly enough to pay the full
Amontillado price without consulting you in the matter. You were not to
be found, and I was fearful of losing a bargain."

"Amontillado!"

"I have my doubts."

"Amontillado!"

"And I must satisfy them."

"Amontillado!"

"As you are engaged, I am on my way to Luchesi. If any one has a
critical turn, it is he. He will tell me--"

"Luchesi cannot tell Amontillado from Sherry."

"And yet some fools will have it that his taste is a match for your
own."

"Come, let us go."

"Whither?"

"To your vaults."

"My friend, no; I will not impose upon your good nature. I perceive
you have an engagement. Luchesi--"

"I have no engagement;--come."

"My friend, no. It is not the engagement, but the severe cold with
which I perceive you are afflicted. The vaults are insufferably damp.
They are encrusted with niter."

"Let us go, nevertheless. The cold is merely nothing. Amontillado!
You have been imposed upon. And as for Luchesi, he cannot distinguish
Sherry from Amontillado."

Thus speaking, Fortunato possessed himself of my arm. Putting on a mask
of black silk, and drawing a _roquelaure_ closely about my person, I
suffered him to hurry me to my palazzo.

There were no attendants at home; they had absconded to make merry in
honor of the time. I had told them that I should not return until the
morning, and had given them explicit orders not to stir from the house.
These orders were sufficient, I well knew, to insure their immediate
disappearance, one and all, as soon as my back was turned.

I took from their sconces two flambeaux, and giving one to Fortunato,
bowed him through several suites of rooms to the archway that led into
the vaults. I passed down a long and winding staircase, requesting him
to be cautious as he followed. We came at length to the foot of the
descent, and stood together on the damp ground of the catacombs of the
Montresors.

The gait of my friend was unsteady, and the bells upon his cap jingled
as he strode.

"The pipe," said he.

"It is farther on," said I; "but observe the white web-work which
gleams from these cavern walls."

He turned towards me, and looked into my eyes with two filmy orbs that
distilled the rheum of intoxication.

"Niter?" he asked, at length.

"Niter," I replied. "How long have you had that cough?"

"Ugh! ugh! ugh!--ugh! ugh! ugh!--ugh! ugh! ugh!--ugh! ugh! ugh!--ugh!
ugh! ugh!"

My poor friend found it impossible to reply for many minutes.

"It is nothing," he said, at last.

"Come," I said, with decision, "we will go back; your health is
precious. You are rich, respected, admired, beloved; you are happy, as
once I was. You are a man to be missed. For me it is no matter. We
will go back; you will be ill, and I cannot be responsible. Besides,
there is Luchesi--"

"Enough," he said; "the cough is a mere nothing; it will not kill me.
I shall not die of a cough."

"True--true," I replied; "and, indeed, I had no intention of alarming
you unnecessarily--but you should use all proper caution. A draught of
this Medoc will defend us from the damps."

Here I knocked off the neck of a bottle which I drew from a long row of
its fellows that lay upon the mold.

"Drink," I said, presenting him the wine.

He raised it to his lips with a leer. He paused and nodded to me
familiarly, while his bells jingled.

"I drink," he said, "to the buried that repose around us."

"And I to your long life."

He again took my arm, and we proceeded.

"These vaults," he said, "are extensive."

"The Montresors," I replied, "were a great and numerous family."

"I forget your arms."

"A huge human foot d'or, in a field azure; the foot crushes a serpent
rampant whose fangs are imbedded in the heel."

"And the motto?"

"_Nemo me impune lacessit_."

"Good!" he said.

The wine sparkled in his eyes and the bells jingled. My own fancy grew
warm with the Medoc. We had passed through walls of piled bones, with
casks and puncheons intermingling, into the inmost recesses of
catacombs. I paused again, and this time I made bold to seize
Fortunato by an arm above the elbow.

"The niter!" I said; "see, it increases. It hangs like moss upon the
vaults. We are below the river's bed. The drops of moisture trickle
among the bones. Come, we will go back ere it is too late. Your
cough--"

"It is nothing," he said; "let us go on. But first, another draught of
the Medoc."

I broke and reached him a flagon of De Grave. He emptied it at a
breath. His eyes flashed with a fierce light. He laughed and threw
the bottle upwards with a gesticulation I did not understand.

I looked at him in surprise. He repeated the movement--a grotesque one.

"You do not comprehend?" he said.

"Not I," I replied.

"Then you are not of the brotherhood."

"How?"

"You are not of the masons."

"Yes, yes," I said; "yes, yes."

"You? Impossible! A mason?"

"A mason," I replied.

"A sign," he said, "a sign."

"It is this," I answered, producing a trowel from beneath the folds of
my _roquelaure_.

"You jest," he exclaimed, recoiling a few paces. "But let us proceed
to the Amontillado."

"Be it so," I said, replacing the tool beneath the cloak and again
offering him my arm. He leaned upon it heavily. We continued our
route in search of the Amontillado. We passed through a range of low
arches, descended, passed on, and descending again, arrived at a deep
crypt, in which the foulness of the air caused our flambeaux rather to
glow than flame.

At the most remote end of the crypt there appeared another less
spacious. Its walls had been lined with human remains, piled to the
vault overhead, in the fashion of the great catacombs of Paris. Three
sides of this interior crypt were still ornamented in this manner.
From the fourth side the bones had been thrown down, and lay
promiscuously upon the earth, forming at one point a mound of some
size. Within the wall thus exposed by the displacing of the bones, we
perceived a still interior recess, in depth about four feet in width
three, in height six or seven. It seemed to have been constructed for
no especial use within itself, but formed merely the interval between
two of the colossal supports of the roof of the catacombs, and was
backed by one of their circumscribing walls of solid granite.

It was in vain that Fortunato, uplifting his dull torch, endeavored to
pry into the depth of the recess. Its termination the feeble light did
not enable us to see.

"Proceed," I said; "herein is the Amontillado. As for Luchesi--"

"He is an ignoramus," interrupted my friend, as he stepped unsteadily
forward, while I followed immediately at his heels. In an instant he
had reached the extremity of the niche, and finding his progress
arrested by the rock, stood stupidly bewildered. A moment more and I
had fettered him to the granite. In its surface were two iron staples,
distant from each other about two feet, horizontally. From one of
these depended a short chain, from the other a padlock. Throwing the
links about his waist, it was but the work of a few seconds to secure
it. He was too much astounded to resist. Withdrawing the key I
stepped back from the recess.

"Pass your hand," I said, "over the wall; you cannot help feeling the
niter. Indeed, it is _very_ damp. Once more let me _implore_ you to
return. No? Then I must positively leave you. But I must first
render you all the little attentions in my power."

"The Amontillado!" ejaculated my friend, not yet recovered from his
astonishment.

"True," I replied; "the Amontillado."

As I said these words I busied myself among the pile of bones of which
I have before spoken. Throwing them aside, I soon uncovered a quantity
of building stone and mortar. With these materials and with the aid of
my trowel, I began vigorously to wall up the entrance of the niche.

I had scarcely laid the first tier of the masonry when I discovered
that the intoxication of Fortunato had in a great measure worn off. The
earliest indication I had of this was a low moaning cry from the depth
of the recess. It was _not_ the cry of a drunken man. There was then a
long and obstinate silence. I laid the second tier, and the third, and
the fourth; and then I heard the furious vibrations of the chain. The
noise lasted for several minutes, during which, that I might hearken to
it with the more satisfaction, I ceased my labors and sat down upon
the bones. When at last the clanking subsided, I resumed the trowel,
and finished without interruption the fifth, the sixth, and the seventh
tier. The wall was now nearly upon a level with my breast. I again
paused, and holding the flambeaux over the mason-work, threw a few
feeble rays upon the figure within.

A succession of loud and shrill screams, bursting suddenly from the
throat of the chained form, seemed to thrust me violently back. For a
brief moment I hesitated--I trembled. Unsheathing my rapier, I began
to grope with it about the recess; but the thought of an instant
reassured me. I placed my hand upon the solid fabric of the catacombs,
and felt satisfied. I reapproached the wall; I replied to the yells of
him who clamored. I re-echoed--I aided--I surpassed them in volume
and in strength. I did this, and the clamorer grew still.

It was now midnight, and my task was drawing to a close. I had
completed the eighth, the ninth, and the tenth tier. I had finished a
portion of the last and the eleventh; there remained but a single stone
to be fitted and plastered in. I struggled with its weight; I placed
it partially in its destined position. But now there came from out the
niche a low laugh that erected the hairs upon my head. It was
succeeded by a sad voice, which I had difficulty in recognizing as that
of the noble Fortunato. The voice said--

"Ha! ha! ha!--he! he! he!--a very good joke indeed--an excellent jest.
We shall have many a rich laugh about it at the palazzo--he! he!
he!--over our wine--he! he! he!"

"The Amontillado!" I said.

"He! he! he!--he! he! he!--yes, the Amontillado. But is it not getting
late? Will not they be awaiting us at the palazzo, the Lady Fortunato
and the rest? Let us be gone."

"Yes," I said, "let us be gone."

"_For the love of God, Montresor!_"

"Yes," I said, "for the love of God!"

But to these words I hearkened in vain for a reply. I grew impatient.
I called aloud--

"Fortunato!"

No answer. I called again--

"Fortunato--"

No answer still. I thrust a torch through the remaining aperture and
let it fall within. There came forth in reply only a jingling of the
bells. My heart grew sick on account of the dampness of the catacombs.
I hastened to make an end of my labor. I forced the last stone into
its position; I plastered it up. Against the new masonry I re-erected
the old rampart of bones. For the half of a century no mortal has
disturbed them. _In pace requiescat!_
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Love Poe! Thank you debbie! It fits the mood the thread has taken perfectly! I wonder whether Franz has ever wandered the catacombs? He's still in Rome, isn't he?
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I understood Charles Trafton sold no 92 to Andrew as a duplex in 1872. Andrew then did many interior alterations and refurbishments but, according to everything I've read, the exterior of the house remained virtually the same.

I just feel the brick-lined tunnel dates from the early to mid 1840's, when the house was built for Trafton, not before, as that part of Fall River was developed from the 1840's and there wasn't anything much there before.

When I wrote that I would like to see an 1840's map I didn't mean I expected to see underground workings of any sort. They aren't usually marked on maps. (I think that early town plans might show some approved municipal drains etc., though.) I just wanted to see whether there were enough buildings in that district in the 1840's to justify drainage works etc.
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Yes:

Thanks for clearing that up for me Curryong.

Fall river was a small place in 1840. It had less than 7000 people. By the time of the crime it had grown by 70,000 plus. In the decade of the murders, fall river grew by 25,000 souls. By the 20s it had 120,000 the highest count ever. Today it has a little less than 90,000.

But back in 1840 Second Street was part of the growing center of fall river, one of the oldest neighborhoods in the city.

On the block where 92 second street stands today there are 6 homes. The Kelly house was built in 1848 and a couple houses away, on Third Street, was a twin (more or less) that was also built in 1848. The rest of them were built about 1900. But there were other houses in their locations before they were built. In the 1830s and 40s there was a bit of a building boom all around, with City Hall being the Hub of this growth. 92 Second Street, being only about a block from City Hall, one can guess, if not able to back it up with facts, that it was a built up neighborhood... at least for the times.

Fall river was part of Freetown at one time. It separated and became a town in 1803 then changed it's name to Troy.

In 1834 it changed it's name back to fall river. I believe that the change of the name had a lot to do with the Sarah Cornell Murder, as Troy tried to separate itself from the crime, which at the time, was an horrific, shameful occurrence for a growing town.

And yes, the Charles Trafton House, as I like to call it, was built as a two family, one on each floor.
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What was the earliest European settlement in Fall River? I think I will do some research but since we have a citizen of FR right here, more complete answers are likely right here. There are a number of "mysterious" caves and tunnels in New England. What's to say that long before there was a town of any kind there was a farm or a very small settlement that is all but forgotten? What other tunnels might there be in the general area? What might other tunnels have been used for in New England? Is there a possibility the tunnel could have been partially natural (i.e. limestone cave) that was improved by people who discovered it? I'm going to guess it was used for storage.
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Early colonial fall river, back in the late 1600s was part of Freetown. Eventually, the village of fall river started down towards Freetown. There was boat building, a transportation hub with a stopover, needed stables, etc., this was down by Steep Brook in the North End, where Wilson Road intersects with North Main today.

There are still several very old houses down that way, including the oldest house in fall river. (though many think that the little Church gambrel on French Street, the one with the sign on it that says "oldest house in fall river" a survey was done not to long ago which labels the Borden-Winslow house on North Main street as the oldest. It also considers the Lafayette House on Cherry street older then the French Street House)

In 1700, there about, this fellow named Church opened up a saw and grist mill on the Quequechan at the falls near where the center of downtown is today. Soon other businesses, feeding off the river, sprung up, people who worked in these places built homes, going to where the work is, and by the time fall river deemed itself into existence, the center of town had evolved further south. If you were in front of the Borden property back then and walked 2 blocks south, you would be in Tiverton Rhode Island. Later the town and state lines were moved, twice, as fall river grew and demanded more space.

By the time the Trafton House was built, fall river had matured, and was well established as an important city in New England.

Thus the early settlement of fall river by mostly English stock.

End of history lesson. :smile: :roll:
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Curryong wrote:However, what became Second St seems to have been quite a way away from what was then (in 1812) the very small settlement of Troy (later Fall River.)

The tunnel was apparently both brick lined and large enough for a man to crawl through. Rather a lot of trouble to go to for a store-house for smuggled goods. The district in which Second St falls was not developed until 1840 and after.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to argue at least the semantics of "developed" on this with you.

Below is a link to an 1812 map. You will see that, although the settlement has been called "Troy" for almost a decade, the Mapmaker still regards it as "Fall River," which seems to me to foreshadow and explain the eventual choice to restore the name "Fall River."

While I am sure you are correct that the 2nd street area was not developed as a residential district of a town that early, neither really was the rest of the community very dense or developed, nor was the densest part very far from 2nd St.

The square dots on the map signify structures-- not necessarily residences, but not sheds or shacks either; something the mapmaker regarded as likely to still be there whenever someone else got around to using the map... Barns, stables, mills, warehouses, smithys, tanneries, schools, churches, etc. Someplace on that map was an armory of some sort, probably close to a brewery-- there was without question a militia company of some sort in 1812. There was likely a small rope walk somewhere in the area, though that should have been near the "Warf"

You will see that there are a handful of structures in the general area just west of the Borden and Bowen homes' future locations; given the now vanished waterway in the area and the horse path indicated around it, it was clearly the site of some activity, if not densely settled. The likelihood that there were structures very near the site of the Bowen house before it was built is fairly high, and the likelihood that any preexisting tunnel associated with them and crossing the site would not have been destroyed, but rather incorporated in the Bowen house, is almost equally high. It would normally have been regarded as a feature, not an obstacle.

However, a "brick lined and large enough for a man to crawl through" isn't really much of a tunnel, even allowing for 5-5" men of the day; and it wouldn't really have been very useful for storage. It actually sounds more like a mill-flume than a passageway...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of ... sachusetts

A little searching on the underground railroad question reveals that indeed Fall River was a stop, and that there were Bordens involved; one Isaiah Borden apparently provided horses for midnight transport of escaped slaves, and Sarah Buffum, a founder of the "Female Anti-Slavery society" married Nathaniel B Borden.

Well, hell, I'll just quote the rest of the article:

"Further up Rock Street is the Fall River Historical Society, whose building is probably the best known safe house in the city. Originally built by Quaker Andrew Robeson on the once fashionable corner of Columbia and Fountain streets, the mansion includes a still operable movable bookcase that leads to a secret underground hiding place once used by escaping slaves."

(William A Moniz, "South Coast Today" 2/28/2013)
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Fascinating mbhenty & TJ. Absolutely fascinating.

With all this information perhaps we can think of new places Lizzie could have dumped the hatchet if she did it. Maybe there was an underground railroad feature in the house. Or we could get ridiculous and suggest an intruder knew the secret entrance....
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Yep, the secret entry into the basement operated like an upside-down drawbridge from the other side...complete with levers and ropes and pulleys so that even an average sized woman could swing it upward and back down. Someone the size of Phoebe Bowen.
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I REALLY wish I could find a link to remind myself-- but I am nearly 100% sure the B&B went through a massive renovation when it's current owners took over. I think they stripped all the walls, etc down to the lathe and found nothing. I am wondering what was done in the cellar? If there was any sort of opening in the cellar to a tunnel or anything else-- bricks would be different, etc. Additionally, there might have been foundation work done in the past and some sort of work done on the cellar. My house was built in 1883 and we now have a 'Thrasher Basement' in order to shore the old thing up. We owned the house for years-- was built by my ancestors then sold in the early 80's and my mom bought it back right before she died in 2010.

I just think some sort of physical evidence of such a tunnel in 92 2nd street would have come out by now....
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