{"id":3180,"date":"2018-07-05T17:52:14","date_gmt":"2018-07-05T21:52:14","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/lizzieandrewborden.com\/HatchetOnline\/?p=3180"},"modified":"2018-07-05T17:52:14","modified_gmt":"2018-07-05T21:52:14","slug":"what-did-ruby-know","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/lizzieandrewborden.com\/hatchetonline\/what-did-ruby-know\/","title":{"rendered":"What Did Ruby Know?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">by Diana Griffiths<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">First published in October\/November, 2004, Volume 1, Issue 5, <em>The Hatchet: Journal of Lizzie Borden Studies<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Over one hundred years ago, Lizzie Borden was tried for the brutal murders of her father and her stepmother. She was acquitted. Yet, to this day, Borden devotees continue to speculate about who committed the crime. Some still feel Lizzie did it and got off scot-free, while others suspect either: John Morse, the visiting uncle; Emma Borden, the vacationing sister; Billy Borden, the alleged illegitimate son; Bridget Sullivan, the live-in maid; or conspiratorial combinations of the above. Many pages have been written and many theories mounted involving these and other suspects.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Reporter Edwin Porter covered the famous Massachusetts trial in 1893 and wrote a book about it that same year. In 1967, author Victoria Lincoln retold the story from the perspective of a Fall River resident who grew up hearing about the Borden tragedy. And amazingly, almost a century after the crime, a retired nurse living in Cherryfield, Maine contacted the media to say she had heard the true story from Lizzie Borden herself.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">In January 1985, at the age of 85, Ruby Frances Cameron contacted the press with the revelation that David M. Anthony Jr., son of a wealthy Fall River family, hacked Abby and Andrew Borden to death that long-ago morning in 1892\u2014and furthermore\u2014Ruby\u2019s own parents had aided and abetted him. At the time of the murders, Ruby relates, her parents were engaged to be married and her mother, Maggie Jonsson, worked as a maid in the Anthony household while her father, John Cameron, drove a wagon for David M. Anthony Sr.\u2019s meat packing company. Miss Cameron said she heard bits and pieces of the story from her mother over the years, and that Lizzie Borden confirmed it when Ruby nursed her during her final illness.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">According to Ruby, David Anthony Jr. grabbed an axe from the woodshed and murdered the Bordens in a fit of rage because they refused to accept an ongoing romance between David and Lizzie. In a panic, the Borden maid then ran to the Anthony home and Ruby Cameron\u2019s mother and father came to help with the clean up and to take David away from the scene.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">For those knowledgeable about the Borden crime, there are definite sticking points in Ruby\u2019s account. One is when she is quoted as saying that the Borden maid who witnessed the crime and helped with the cover-up was named Nora Donahue. Ruby told Jack Wiggins, a reporter for The Ellsworth <i>American<\/i>: \u201cNora Donahue worked in the Borden home as Lizzie\u2019s maid. She came from Ireland and had only been in the United States for six months.\u201d Later she apparently wrote the same paper to say that \u201cNora saw David, livid with rage, go to the woodshed, grab the axe, and murder both Mr. and Mrs. Borden. Nora rushed for Maggie [Jonsson], and she called Jack, and they wiped up some of the mess and escaped in the meat cart\u201d (excerpt from Ruby F. Cameron letter published in the New Bedford <i>Sunday Standard-Times<\/i>, January 13, 1985). But county records, trial testimony, and police reports at the time of the murders clearly show the name of the Borden\u2019s maid was Bridget Sullivan, and that she had been in the country for some years prior to her employment with Andrew and Abby.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/lizzieandrewborden.com\/hatchetonline\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2018\/07\/ells1300.jpg\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter size-large wp-image-3181\" src=\"https:\/\/lizzieandrewborden.com\/hatchetonline\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2018\/07\/ells1300-1024x386.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"770\" height=\"290\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Ruby also said that, along with David Anthony, her father quickly took both her mother and the other maid away from the scene of the crime. And further, that her mother and \u2018Nora\u2019 lived close to each other for the rest of their lives. Obviously, Bridget Sullivan was very much in evidence at the Borden house immediately after the murders\u2014and records show she moved away from the Bristol County area soon after the 1893 trial. Discrepancies like this are never reconciled in Ruby\u2019s tale. Ruby is quoted (i.e. her exact words appear to have been used) as saying the Borden maid was Nora Donahue. One reporter, perhaps realizing Nora Donahue could <i>not<\/i> have been the Borden maid, suggested she was the Anthony\u2019s maid. But most Bordenites feel Ruby simply misremembered the name of the Borden maid, and that her \u2018Nora Donahue\u2019 is actually Bridget Sullivan. After all, where is Bridget in Ruby\u2019s narrative if she is <i>not<\/i> Nora?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">During the few weeks Ruby\u2019s account appeared in the news, it shifted slightly. The Ellsworth <i>American<\/i> (January 3, 1985), quotes her as saying: \u201cDavid went out and picked up an axe in the back of the shed and came in and destroyed both of them before anybody could say boo! It was done in a fit of anger.\u201d The implication here is that the murders of Andrew and Abby Borden happened almost simultaneously. Yet on January 27, 1985, she told the Boston <i>Herald<\/i> that Lizzie told her: \u201cI watched David go absolutely crazy. He killed my step-mother, waited until father came home and killed him.\u201d So now that crucial time gap between the murders has come into play. Also, Ruby originally told the Ellsworth<i> American<\/i> that she did not nurse Lizzie\u2014that her mother would not allow her to do so\u2014but later, she wrote the same newspaper to say that she <i>did<\/i> care for Lizzie for a week in 1927.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">With variations such as these, it was perhaps not surprising that Florence Brigham, then curator of the Fall River Historical Society, dismissed Ruby\u2019s entire story as fiction. And confronted by Ruby\u2019s claim that David Anthony slaughtered the Bordens, his niece Ruth Anthony Waring was disbelieving, to say the least. She remembered her uncle fondly as a gentle, retiring man and said she had never heard anyone suggest he had any connection at all with Lizzie Borden. It also seems unlikely that, in a town where Lizzie Borden\u2019s arrival at church with the family doctor set tongues wagging, David and Lizzie could have conducted a truly secret liaison.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Faced with these kinds of disclaimers, Kate Boylan, a staff reporter for the New Bedford <i>Standard-Times<\/i>, did some background research. She found old records listing Margaret Jonsson Cameron as a domestic\u2014and an 1892 Fall River City Directory showing that John Cameron lived at 88 Davol Street. This same directory also provided the information that David M. Anthony Sr. owned property on Davol Street from numbers 83 to 89. So a connection between Ruby Cameron\u2019s family and the Anthonys seemed viable. But was there any connection between Lizzie Borden and the Anthonys?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">It appears there<i> are<\/i> links between Lizzie and David that warrant consideration. One is, that in addition to their homes in Fall River, both the Anthonys and the Bordens owned properties in nearby Swansea, and an 1895 map of the Swansea area shows these properties were close to one another. David\u2019s father\u2019s land was just down the road from Andrew\u2019s place. So, in effect, Lizzie and David were neighbors and may have interacted as such. A social note in a local newspaper suggests another possible encounter between the two in the summer of 1892. According to the July 27, 1892 edition of the Fall River <i>Evening News<\/i>, just ten days prior to the murders Lizzie was vacationing with friends in Blake\u2019s Point, Marion, at the same time as David\u2019s uncle\u2019s yacht, the <i>Mabel F. Swift<\/i>, visited the area. These indications of proximity suggest Lizzie and David may have enjoyed at least a passing acquaintance.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<figure id=\"attachment_3182\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-3182\" style=\"width: 868px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/lizzieandrewborden.com\/hatchetonline\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2018\/07\/Map1895BRSTatlasSomSwan.jpg\"><img decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-full wp-image-3182\" src=\"https:\/\/lizzieandrewborden.com\/hatchetonline\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/3\/2018\/07\/Map1895BRSTatlasSomSwan.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"868\" height=\"664\" \/><\/a><figcaption id=\"caption-attachment-3182\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">1885 Map of Swansea<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Yet, Ruby Cameron\u2019s story remains difficult to accept, perhaps because it contains some unlikely premises\u2014such as her suggestion that Andrew\u2019s first wife, Sarah, left Lizzie a very large inheritance, including some textile mills\u2014and a marriage between David and Lizzie was opposed by Abby and Andrew because they feared losing control of this money.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Although any definitive solution to the Borden case risks the slings and arrows of outraged Bordenites, the main problem with Ruby\u2019s story is that it flies in the face of such primary sources as sworn trial testimony. Ruby said that after the Borden\u2019s maid alerted the Anthony household, John Cameron brought Maggie Jonsson to help clean up after the murders and to spirit David Anthony away. Yet not one witness testified they saw two men, two maids, and a meat wagon in the vicinity of 92 Second Street that day. Still, this only goes toward proving a negative\u2014an admittedly impossible task.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">However, reconstructing the events of that day based solely on Ruby Cameron\u2019s story does present a challenge. Details are scanty. Miss Cameron admitted her memory was too fragile after all those years to provide concrete information. Consequently trying to establish the truth behind Ruby\u2019s claims is sometimes akin to dealing with quicksilver. Nonetheless, let us explore her claim and try to devise a scenario that has David Anthony killing Andrew and Abby Borden.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Maybe David arrived at the Borden house that August morning just after nine o\u2019clock. Lizzie let him in and he pressed her to approach her family one more time about their relationship. Abby heard their conversation from the guest room, came out on the landing, and demanded that David leave the house immediately. David, wildly enraged by Abby\u2019s continued interference, grabbed a hatchet, rushed upstairs and hacked her to death.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">It is difficult to imagine that Lizzie was not sufficiently horrified by this butchery to run screaming from the house. But, because medical testimony indicates that Andrew Borden died approximately an hour and a half after his wife, this particular reconstruction demands that Lizzie remain in the house with David for another ninety minutes or so while they formulate a plan to murder her father in cold blood. Perhaps Lizzie is in shock. Perhaps she adores David and cannot stand to think of him incarcerated. Perhaps the threat of scandal drives all other thoughts out of her head.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Remember though\u2014Lizzie was not the only person at the house at the time of the murders. In order to accept Ruby Cameron\u2019s story, we also have to assume the Borden maid, Bridget Sullivan, was complicit in the cover up. Bridget would not be moved to help because she was fond of Lizzie. Nor would she be worrying about her job. Her employers were dead, and working for Lizzie after what she had witnessed could not have held much appeal. Was money her motivation?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Ruby said the Borden maid went to the Anthony house to get help. Police records show there was only a very few minutes between Andrew\u2019s murder and the initial alarm. Certainly not long enough for Bridget to run from 92 Second Street to the Anthony residence at 368 North Main Street and back\u2014a total distance of approximately one mile\u2014persuade the Anthonys their son had committed one homicide and was planning to commit another, garner the services of John Cameron and his meat wagon, bring back the maids, and help with the clean up. Therefore, presumably David had to cajole Bridget into going to his family for help <i>between<\/i> the murders and, if so, at some point during that horrific interval, Bridget Sullivan had to know Abby Borden lay dead upstairs and Lizzie and David were lying in wait to do away with Andrew.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Bridget chatted with the Kelly\u2019s maid, Mary Doolan, and was seen by a neighbor, Adelaide Churchill, while she washed the outside windows that morning. Would she have been able to slip away unobserved? Did Lizzie promise her money and vow to give her an alibi if necessary? Was Bridget able to convince the Anthonys that David was in serious trouble and needed help? And did they decide to send servants in their stead so as not to draw attention to David\u2019s role by showing up themselves?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">If so, the Anthony family, two maids, and John Cameron knowingly condoned murder\u2014because now John Cameron, Maggie Jonsson, and the Borden maid had to go back to the house and help David erase clues to his part in the death of Abby and Andrew Borden. And aiding and abetting a murderer requires strong motivation.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">The Anthony\u2019s motive is clear enough. David was their son. But do the motives of the others hold up as well? Ruby told two papers that Margaret Jonsson Cameron arrived from Iceland just six months prior to the murders\u2014the Boston <i>Herald<\/i> and the<i> Standard Times<\/i>. And she also told the Boston <i>Herald<\/i> that John Cameron \u201chad only been here two years from the British Navy.\u201d But, again there are discrepancies between Ruby\u2019s memory and written records. The 1920 Massachusetts Census for Bristol County indicates that John and Margaret Cameron arrived in the United States in 1884 and 1885 respectively. However, they did not become naturalized citizens until 1895. Could possible threats of deportation be sufficient motivation to involve them in this dreadful act, as Ruby suggested?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Ruby said her mother suffered from alcoholism and depression and finally committed suicide. Maybe these problems were indications of the difficulty she had reconciling her part in the crime. And Ruby said that, when she told Lizzie she was Maggie Jonsson\u2019s daughter, Lizzie also confessed to what really happened. But, if Ruby\u2019s story is true, more than half a dozen people were involved in covering up the crime. Is it possible that all but two carried the secret to their grave? Any conspiracy theory about the Borden case is burdened with this same weakness, however.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">The Ruby Cameron story does provide answers to some of the riddles that have entertained Bordenites for years. Lizzie and David probably guessed that Lizzie would be quizzed closely on why she was unaware of Abby\u2019s whereabouts during the period between the two deaths\u2014hence the invention of the famous note. Neither Lizzie\u2019s clothes nor Bridget\u2019s need be bloodied if David was the killer. The weapon could disappear into the meat wagon and be taken away with the murderer. Emma Borden and John Morse may truly have known nothing about the murders until they arrived back at 92 Second Street. And a crazed illegitimate son doesn\u2019t have to be introduced into the picture when a mad prospective son-in-law is the main protagonist. We are still left with the dress burning of course. But perhaps, as Emma staunchly testified, it was simply an innocent act of normal housekeeping.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Still, major issues remain unaddressed by this version of events. Why would the Bordens oppose a union between Lizzie and the scion of a wealthy Fall River family? Was there really a weapon that close at hand for Abby\u2019s unpremeditated murder? Was there not a money trail to Bridget\u2019s silence? Was Bridget canny enough to withstand three separate grillings by seasoned trial attorneys about the ghastly events on that August morning? Is there any record that Ruby nursed Lizzie Borden? Who was Nora Donahue? And, if there was no truth to her story, why did Ruby Cameron make David Anthony the villain of this piece?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Ruby said David often visited Lizzie at Maplecroft years after the murders, taking Ruby with him on his motorcycle. Neither David nor Lizzie ever married. Is it possible to fantasize they had a romantic attachment severely damaged by shared knowledge and the trauma surrounding the murders\u2014yet sufficient affection remained allowing them to resume a friendship years later?<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">All these questions lack answers. But remember, every scenario mounted so far as a solution to this crime demands speculation. Certain authors require their readers to believe Lizzie was a lesbian, or that Andrew fathered children out of wedlock, or that Lizzie was the victim of incest, before their theories will hold together. Ruby Cameron\u2019s story is yet a different take on what happened that fateful morning\u2014and may be simply one more indicator that the Borden mystery seems forever destined to resemble those boxed jigsaw puzzles found at summer cottages. The key pieces are always missing.<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\"><b>Works Cited<\/b><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\"><i>Atlas of Bristol County, MA 1895.<\/i> Philadelphia: Everts &amp; Richards, 1895.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Boylan, Kate. \u201cDid Lizzie\u2019s Beau Kill Bordens?\u201d New Bedford <i>Sunday Standard-Times<\/i> 13 Jan. 1985: 1.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Boylan, Kate. \u201cObscure David Anthony Led a Carefree Life.\u201d New Bedford <i>Sunday Standard-Times<\/i> 13 Jan. 1985: 10-11.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Boylan, Kate. \u201cTracking Down the Existence of the Mysterious Lover, Killer.\u201d New Bedford <i>Sunday Standard-Times<\/i> 13 Jan. 1985: 10-11.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Cameron, Ruby. \u201c\u2018I Knew the Whole Story from an Innocent Woman.\u2019\u201d New Bedford<i> Sunday Standard-Times<\/i> 13 Jan. 1985: 11.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">14th U.S. Census for Bristol County, MA. January 1920.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Howard, Marjorie. \u201cShe Named Suitor as the Killer, Friends Say.\u201d Boston <i>Herald<\/i> 27 Jan. 1985: 119+.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Rebello, Leonard,<i> Lizzie Borden: Past and Present<\/i>. Fall River: Al-Zach Press, 1999.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Sullivan, Bernard F. \u201cTracking the Truth About Lizzie Borden, Maine Woman Tells Why She Thinks She Knows the Real Killer.\u201d Providence <i>Journal-Bulletin<\/i> 13 Jan. 1985: C2.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">Wiggins, John R.\u201cA Solution to the 1892 Crime?: Ruby Cameron Says David Anthony Murdered Lizzie Borden\u2019s Parents.\u201d The Ellsworth <i>American<\/i> (Ellsworth, ME) 3 Jan. 1895: Section 1.<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p><span style=\"font-family: tahoma, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;color: #000000\">In January 1985, at the age of 85, Ruby Frances Cameron contacted the press with the revelation that David M. 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