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[Kat]

Wow! Good stuff, Diana!
If Emma was waked from Orrin's house, then I was there!
On a full moon night last October- nice house!

You know, gramma would know all these Gardners and their kin, I bet!

[theebmonique]

I thought Emma's wake was held at a house called 'Riverby'. Is this the same house you are talking about ?



Tracy...

[Kat]

I don't know. It was dark. Is that in Swansea?
Emma's body was shipped the same day she died from New Hampshire to Swansea to be waked. There was a body of water across the street.

[diana]

I hadn't heard of the Riverby house, Tracy. Where did you find out about it?

[theebmonique]

I was taken to this house and given the information by Len Rebello. We drove by this house when he took us out to see where the Swansea house was located. I cannot remember if Len said that the house had only recently been called 'Riverby', or if it had always been called that. I originally posted that picture last May when I returned from taking my niece to Fall River. I just tried looking in my Past and Present book, and I can't find anything on 'Riverby' specifically. I am not sure where else to look to verify what I am saying. Help ???


This should be the link to my original post that includes the Riverby picture (May 22, 2004 - Headed to Lizzies !!!)
viewtopic.php?t=74&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=75


Tracy...

[diana]

Thanks a lot for that information, Tracy. If Len R. told you Emma's wake was at Riverby -- that's good enough for me!

Maybe Riverby was/is the name of Orrin Gardner's house?

[Allen]

I don't know how much help this will be, but I found this link that talks about the "Riverby" house.I wasn't sure it was the same house, but it is located in Swansea, and the picture does appear the same as the one Tracy posted.It appears on a site that talks about the history of Swansea. This might clear up your questions as to how long the house was called "Riverby" if nothing else.

http://www.page-net.com/globe/pages/Page8.htm

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Some information of Hugh Cole, the original owner of the house.

Hugh Cole was baptized on 29 June 1628 in Barnstaple, Devonshire, England. He moved with his family at age five or six to Plymouth, Massachusetts. The early records of Plymouth show him on a 1643 list of men able to bear arms. He was also paid 50 bushels of corn by the town of Plymouth in 1634 for tending the cows of the townspeople - bringing them up every morning to be milked, taking them to feed, and bringing them home at night.

In contrast to his parents, Hugh Cole had fewer encounters with the courts for violating the laws, became a prominent citizen and founder of a new town, and also became a prominent church leader. He married Mary Foxwell on 8 January 1654/5 in Plymouth. Despite a later showing of good character, Hugh was fined 20 shillings in 1655 when he and his wife were found guilty of "keeping company each with other in an undecent manner, at an unreasonable time and place, before marriage."

Hugh Cole's first seven children were born in Plymouth. In 1668 he moved his family to Swansea and built a home on the west bank of the Mattapoisett River, now called Cole's River. His brother John also moved with him to Swansea.

Hugh Cole negotiated land purchases with the Indians and was also an experienced surveyor. He was active in the management of the town, being chosen surveyor, serving as a selectman from 1672 to 1675, deputy to the Plymouth Colony General Court in 1673, 1674 and 1675, and a member of the Swansea Prudential Affairs Committee in 1672. He also served several times as a juror.

Various accounts have been written concerning Hugh's relationship with the Indians. Although he was a frequent visitor to the Indian camp and had peaceful dealings with King Philip, Philip was charged with incivility toward Hugh in 1671. Hugh also sued King Philip for 200 pounds for breach of a land sale agreement which he later settled. Hugh warned Plymouth Colony leaders in 1671 that he had observed the Narraganset Indians repairing guns and making weapons. Subsequently Hugh was asked by colony officials to visit the Wampanoag Indian camp and report back to them concerning the activities there. Hugh observed a number of strangers at the Indian camp and reported this back to colony officials.

Several published sources give various accounts of the kidnapping of two of Hugh's sons by the Indians shortly before the outbreak of King Philip's War. Supposedly King Philip ordered members of his tribe to return the children to their home. Legend also reports that King Philip warned Hugh of the impending attack by the Indians at the outbreak of the war, enabling Hugh to remove his family from Swansea before the Indians attacked. Hugh's home was one of the first burned in the attack.

Hugh's family remained in Portsmouth during the war. Although Hugh Cole's record of military service during King Philip's War is unknown, he was frequently recorded as Sergeant Hugh Cole afterward.

Upon his return to Swansea Hugh rebuilt his home at a new location. He was again elected selectman and deputy and resumed his active role in town affairs.

Hugh and Mary Cole had twelve children. The date of Mary's death is not known. Hugh married twice after Mary's death and he died in Jan 1699/1700. He was buried in Tyler Point Cemetery in Barrington, Rhode Island. There is no marker on his grave.

Hugh's brother John, born 21 November 1637, was also one of the original proprietors of Swansea, but was not as active and prominent in town affairs as his brother. He Married Elizabeth Ryder, daughter of Samuel Ryder of Yarmouth. They had four children. John died in 1677 in Swansea. His daughter Elizabeth married our ancestor William Hammond of Swansea on 10 Jan 1695.

http://www.arq.net/%7Eljacobs/cole.html


If this was indeed the house in which they held Emma's wake, this is all the detailed background information I was able to find on it.

[Kat]

Thanks you guys!
If the river was across the street, hence the naming "Riverby" (?) then it is probably the same place as it was on Len's tour where we also saw/heard about it.
At night I could not tell you the colors, tho it was a full moon. It was a nice house.

[theebmonique]

Lots of info Allen. Thanks.

Diana...I think when I go again this summer, I will take some video....and ask more questions ! There was something about this house that made me feel very comfortable. I think it is probably very homey and cozy inside. I am adding it to my list of homes to see the inside of on my next trip to Fall River. But, I realize that people live in the homes on my list...so getting inside is mostly a pipe dream.


Tracy...

[Kat]

Yes, that's the feeling. I had a calm feeling about the house.

[snokkums]

I don't think that any man wanted to be with her. But it does say in the bible to be fruitful and multiply, but it is better to be single to serve the lord. But if you just have to "do it" then go ahead and get married.

[Kat]

I thought Emma's wake was held at a house called 'Riverby'. Is this the same house you are talking about ?



Tracy...

I found out Orrin Gardner's house in Swansea where Emma was waked was indeed called "Riverby."
I didn't doubt Tracy, I just didn't know what the house was called so I checked the source!

(I didn't know the house picture came with the quote! Thanks Tracy! )

[theebmonique]

Kat...I am glad you checked. I should have thought of this earlier (I am such a dork sometimes) but there is a sign on the house that says 'Riverby', but it is hard to see in my picture...so here it is...enlarged.




Tracy...

[snokkums]

Is that the house where emma lived after she lefted lizzie?

[theebmonique]

NO.


Tracy...

[doug65oh]

"Is that the house where emma lived after she lefted lizzie?"

No, it's not, snokkums. You're in the right ballpark generally, but there may be a hot dog or peanut vendor obscuring your view. After Emma left Lizzie ("the French Street house" I think is how Emma referred to the home they had shared after the murders) she lived several places over the next twenty-three years until her death.

The 'Riverby' home, in the picture here, is (if I understood correctly) in Swansea, Mass., and is the home in which Emma's body reposed just shortly before she was buried.

[Kat]

"Emma's Whereabouts" are all recounted in Rebello's book, with pictures, pages 311-316.

[Lee]

Posted at another thread first:
http://lizzieandrewborden.com/LBForum/v ... 2010#12010

All This From SPIERING:

"But the press would not leave her alone. On December 10, 1896, a brief article which appeared in the Boston Globe was picked up by newspapers throughout the country:"

'IS LIZZIE BORDEN TO MARRY?

Fall River, Mass., Dec. 10--Friends of Lizzie Andrew Borden, who was once accused of the murder of her father and stepmother and whose trial was one of the most famous the country has known, are congratulating her upon the approach of her marriage. The husband-to-be is one Mr. Gardner, a school teacher of the village of Swansea, which lies a few miles across the bay to the west of the city. He has been a friend of Miss Borden since childhood days, which they spent upon adjoining farms. The engagement has been rumored about for weeks, but it lacked confirmation until a few days ago, when it was learned that Miss Borden has given to a well-known dressmaker an order for a trousseau. Mr. Gardner has had erected in South Somerset a fine new house. It is said that the wedding will probably take place about Christmas.'

The residents of the farm adjacent to the one which Andrew Borden had owned in Swansea were named Gardner. And the eldest son was a school teacher. But the story of Lizzie's romance and impending marriage had been fabricated.

Soon after the article appeared, reporters from out-of-town newspapers flooded Fall River.

Gardner went into hiding and Lizzie withdrew behind the oak doors of Maplecroft, where she was constantly harassed. The incident infuriated and disturbed her. Two days later she wrote to Mrs. Cummings, the dressmaker Emma had written to earlier. The letter's significance was that it revealed the strain Lizzie was under.

It was from Mrs. Cummings, whose shop on Elm Street stood beside Andrew Borden's Union Savings Bank, that Lizzie supposedly had ordered her wedding gown.

'My dear Friend
I am more sorry than I can tell you that you have had any trouble over the false and silly story that has been about the last week or so. How or when it started I have not the least idea. But never for a moment did I think you or your girls started it. Of course I am feeling very badly about it but I must just bear as I have in the past. I do hope you will not be annoyed again. Take care of yourself, so you can get well.
Yours sincerely
L. A. Borden
Dec. 12, 1896' "

God Lizzie was so full of it. My opinion is that SHE is the one who planted this bogus info.

[Lee]

No one wanted to marry these 2 wierdo, peculiar, odd women with mental health issues and possibly lesbian leanings. The family was described as 'worse than insane.' What does that mean?