Lizzie Borden Society Forum

At one time Lizzie's little granite step could be seen at the pavement. This was a chunky two- step affair for her to step up to her carriage. The last time I saw this was about 2003. It has to be taken inside of course, as it is easily spirited away!

Good news on Lizzie's stepping stone. Last year when we were there Mr. Dube talked with us out on the lawn beside the house. The stone was against the wall of the house. I even went over to it and asked if that was the stone and he said yes. Hopefully it's still somewhere on the property.

Very good news Harry. If anything SHOULD be in that garage- the stepping stone ought to be! For safekeeping.

No, mbhenty- very little goes over my head. I just chose to ignore it.

It was a joke, a joke. The joke was on him not you.........

As is your right to ignore me, but the point I was trying to make was that there are some devious people in this world.

I can see how you are looking on the bight side of the issue.

Sadly there is no bright side. Rape is rape whether its an historical building or a......... I call it as I see it.

That window sits 60 feet form my living-room window. It was not sagging. Sadly, I get upset about such issues. If you don't understand that or "choose to ignore it" and/or ignore my sensitivity on this issue, then one way or another, it went over your head.

I gave you an apology. Sorry it was not accepted.

I've noticed you seem to be a touchy little soul. Lighten up.

I see you neither know how to give an apology or accept one.

Yes, when it comes to this issue I am a "touchy little soul" It's in my own back yard. Sorry you can't sympathize.

But remember, I may be a "touchy little soul", but if you haven't noticed, your not all that.........your colors are showing through. You rather insult me then accept my apology. I remember your confrontations with Rays. Your not a very nice person you know. Angel, your wings are beginning to sag. How can someone named angle be so mean.

In closing.........as you were once famous for:

CLICK

Is Mr. Dube approachable when it comes to questions about things like the inside of the house? It sounds like some of you have talked with him in the past.
Does he show an interest in the history of the house himself, or does he just look kindly upon us as crazy people?

It very much depends on the day. Sometimes he seems weary of the whole thing, irritated by requests, chasing people off the grass,- and other times he invites our house guests inside for a look. He is very concerned that the house be neat for women visitors. He seems to be fond of teens or young adults who look eager and excited to be there. There is absolutely no telling what to expect on any given day. He seemed to be enjoying it all back in 1992, maybe because his children were into it. Mike really had a good time giving those tours. Even I would not want to "Live Lizzie" 24-7 and I find that after working two full days at the house, I am tired and ready to go home to the real 2007 world. I can see both sides of the issue. After 5 days' rest I am recharged and ready to "Lizzie" again. I can't imagine how Mr. Dube and LeeAnn could keep the enthusiasm level up non-stop. Nobody could. And yes- there are some really wacky people out there to contend with too.

Shelley @ Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:41 am wrote:At one time Lizzie's little granite step could be seen at the pavement. This was a chunky two- step affair for her to step up to her carriage. The last time I saw this was about 2003. It has to be taken inside of course, as it is easily spirited away!

Shelley, when you say "carriage" are you referring to Lizzie's carriage powered by horse or her automobile? Do you know how tall Lizzie was? I heard about 5' 4".

-1bigsteve (o:

5 foot 4 is the usual height given for her. I was referring to her horse and carriage, which would have been a pretty high step up for a little woman. You always see gentlemen helping a lady into and out of carriage in the movies as the lady fusses with her skirt and tries to keep her ankles and petticoat from showing. 1893 people would drop over dead if they saw what I saw on the beach today- I nearly did myself.

Thank you Shelley. Yes I have seen a lot of westerns and period films in which a guy helps a lady into a carriage. I've often wondered why the carriage step was not set lower. Most of my women friends are around 5'4". I don't know why but I like the look of a taller woman.

I haven't been to a beach in years but I know what you are talking about. It's enough to make you wonder what people use for brains.

-1bigsteve (o:

Oh, it isn't much about brains Steve- it seems to be about other body parts! Today a big box of vintage clothing arrived from England, including some from the 1890's from my friend in London who is a collector. Some of it was mourning clothing, fans, hats, skirts and waists. I took them to the conservation lab at the university where I work and laid all of this stuff out to be vacuumed. The violet velvet waist had loads of lace down the front, with lace ribbons woven into corded bands on the sleeve, there were gorgeous petticoats which only the lady wearing it would see, beading and tucks and trims, a black ebony fan with black lace, an infant mourning cap of black straw and jet beading. Then I went past the local beach and looked at the thongs, two bandaids and dental floss bathing suits, shook my head, got an ice cream cone and came home. A man always should have something to lift up to look under is my motto. Or better still- let him wonder and go wild imagining!

Here you go fellas- Lizzie's 1890 bathing suit

some bathing beauties


and one of these is described at Newport- a bathing machine for the ladies to use. It rolled on wheels across the sand and featured a little cabana for changing and a covered canvas awning on the front of the changing room which went right down to the water so no lady would be seen racing down to the waterside in her suit. Total modesty until she could duck demurely under the waves. In Newport the men had Bailey's Beach until a certain hour, then the women could come down later. Mixed bathing was a little scandalous at one time. Ah yes....the good old days.

I remember the blue board one---the idea came to me just after I had gone to bed. I couldn't stop laughing & had to get up & draft it out before I could finally get any sleep.

I can just picture you now muttering "hehehe" as you draw!