Re: Thomas Bould was a rapist
Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2022 11:49 pm
1904 Fall River City Directory listings for the spellings of Bould and an arrest report for William Baker.
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That's true that the information for one year was usually gathered late the previous year. That's not true for every year, but for most. For example, we definitely know Thomas Bould was living at Mrs. Churchill's in 1892. But, in 1892 Thomas W. Bould, gardener, is living at 19 Plain with his brother Robert Bould. We don't see Thomas W. Bould, gardener, at 90 Second until 1893 and Robert is still at 19 Plain (which I believe changed to 79 Plain in 1896). That's why death notices would sometimes appear in the directory the following year. When you follow the directories from one year to the next you still get an accurate picture of where the families were living each year. You do just have to remind yourself that the information for that directory was probably gathered late the previous year.camgarsky4 wrote: Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:53 am KG - this is a massive piece of research. Thanks for sharing.
On a 'non-Thomas Bould/Bowles' note, one thing your information has taught me is that a city directory really reflects who lived where in November of the prior year. For example, if someone moves in December of 1890, they will be listed as living in their 1890 residence in the 1891 city directory since the canvassing was conducted in November '90. Folks are encouraged to inform the city if the November '90 canvassing info changes before publication....but that would only correct the directory for changes in Dec '90 and maybe January '91 since the publication is distributed in late January or early February '91.
KGDevil wrote: Sun Jul 03, 2022 11:22 pm Here are the newspaper articles I found that detail Thomas Bould being charged and convicted of raping his daughter.
Thomas Boulds conviction
InterestedReader
Sent: 02 Jun 2017 14:24
by InterestedReader
KG, are you subscribed to newspapers.com?
There's some shocker of a story about Thomas Boulds' murderous assault on his 15 year old daughter - It's in The Burlington Free Press of May 11 1887 - Page 1.
https://www.newspapers.com/image/197835 ... s%2BBoulds
It must be 'Gardener' Thomas Boulds. Harriet's husband and 'our' Thomas' brother-in-law. He's about 40, wife Harriet has been dead a year, and the children are the right age.
But I can only see bits because I'm not subscribed! I'm trying to find the story on Chronicling America....
There's something about Boulds feeding his children scavenged scraps, being watched for some time by the authorities and now his arrest for assaulting his daughter.
Can you read the rest of it?
...Harriet was having a lot of children - then she died at 32 of heart failure...
Thomas Bould and Thomas Bould
Sent: 02 Jun 2017 17:15
From: InterestedReader
Recipient: KGDevil
How are they really related? The gardener born in England in 1843 and 'our' Thomas born in Troy New York in 1852.
It's something more than brothers-in-law...
The problem is, we never see the parents' names for Gardener Thomas.
I haven't yet found any record of the marriage between Harriet and Gardener Thomas.
She's living with her family in the 1870 Census, with her parents William and Ann Bould:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MDS2-TZW
Then the first of her children I've found is born in 1872:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FXZB-SXM
Can't find the marriage, so I don't know the parents of Thomas the Gardener.
The next year William Bould dies - William the father of Harriet and 'our' Thomas.
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FH3K-M97
We see that Harriet's grandparents back in England are Thomas and Matilda Bould. The grandparents of 'our' Thomas. Now, Harriet herself was born in 1851 -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MFFD-VLH
while her husband Gardener Thomas was significantly older -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH63-2G5
He's said to be born 1843-1845. But that' s back in England. And when he dies no-one knows his parentage so again, we can't say who his parents were:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NWQC-DDW
Father William Bould and Gardener Thomas Bould must be related... These English immigrant families in Fall River were tightly intermarrying. Have you seen who Gardener Thomas Bould's parents were?
...I hope Harriet didn't marry her own uncle![]()
I just feel there's something murky about this family.
I'm looking at the British Boulds to try and work this out. Being familiar with the geography makes a nice change.
'A Shocking State of Depravity'
Sent: 03 Jun 2017 12:44
From: InterestedReader
Recipient: KGDevil
OK, I've found a report from a few days later.
Thomas Bould was charged with rape against his fifteen-year-old daughter:
Burlington Weekly Free Press., May 13, 1887, Page 8, Image 8
http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/ ... d-1/seq-8/
I hope you can read it via this attachment below.
Is it 'Gardener' Thomas Bould?
I think yes. His wife Harriet did die the year before.
The 'Marie' must be the first-born Annie.
image.jpg
These are Harriet's children I've picked up so far:
Annie 1872
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FXZB-SXM
A Harriet b. about 1875 is in the 1880 Census:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MH63-2GY
Thomas 1876
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FX8W-Q3C
William 1877
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FX8Z-TGK
Joseph 1879
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FX8N-T14
Sarah also 1879 - must be twins:
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FX8N-BF8
Etc etc
Re: Yes. Brother and Husband!
Sent: 03 Jun 2017 23:20
by KGDevil
I'm also inclined to think it's him. I've been trying to find out more about this story also. I haven't found much information in the papers that I have access to, but I'm still trying.
I said in that last email that I wouldn't reply to you again. I never did until now. The research aspect wasn’t important enough to get back into some High School type drama about it. It was bad enough in private emails when you blasted me because I wouldn't share info you wanted and accused me of stealing research and said I didn’t trust you then. I wanted to be done before that when you'd take things I'd sent and email it back like you'd found it. It takes a lot to get me angry. I’m prone to sarcasm, which rubs some people the wrong way, but I'm pretty easy going. They say no good deed goes unpunished. Altogether you've told me that I'm an incoherent, rambling, irrational, emotional, scathing, ungenerous, aggressive, abusive, hysterical, graceless, grubby, dishonest old curmudgeon who possibly suffers from mental issues and projects my problems onto other people while illegally stealing ideas. (Good thing you aren’t writing a book). Call me crazy (again) but I'd done nothing but supply info on whatever topic you asked using subscriptions to things you couldn’t access. Whatever I found I shared freely and without hesitation. Until I decided to stop. Then you got angry. The newspapers for Fall River were not available then. That’s why I couldn’t find anything. You did find the article in an out-of-town newspaper for which you provided the link. I found all the Fall River articles when they became available on newspapers.com after we had stopped corresponding. Those are the only articles I used. Take them, share them, do whatever you want with them. Wallpaper your bathroom. Write your book. Who cares? They’re public records that don’t belong to anyone, including me. If I really wanted to “keep them to myself”, I wouldn’t share them at all. Here’s an idea, subscribe and find the stuff yourself. Then no one could steal your publicly accessible records. You were at a dead end. You said Bould had disappeared after the trial and you couldn’t find him. You thought he went back to England. I said I'd look into him and find whatever I could starting with the directories. This located the family members and where they lived. When you find the family members it’s easy to readily find their vital records. I've been working on compiling the Bould family and have built a sizable family tree on Ancestry over the last couple of years. It’s handy when researching people to keep all of your information in their individual timelines. As I've said before, I like timelines. But I’m sure others had already found the same articles, same records, same geography of England…etc. (The geography of England was especially helpful when searching for records in the United States. Thanks.) If I can find it, so can everyone else. I didn't lie, and I don't believe that I'm any of those things. Which is the only reason I’d answer like this. I normally wouldn’t share private messages on a public forum. But you’ve broken that privacy barrier so I think you don’t mind the privacy issues.InterestedReader wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:22 am By sheer chance I'd saved on this Forum all our Bould interchanges, showing I instigated this research and fuelled it as with much else research we did. Anyone is welcome to see it so I should think you wouldn't want to reply further.
Dead ends? Lack of ideas? You have a bizarre mirroring mendacity which transfers your own problems onto someone else. Along with your abuse and hysteria that was one reason I ceased corresponding with you all those years ago.
InterestedReader wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 7:22 amRe: Yes. Brother and Husband!
Sent: 03 Jun 2017 23:20
by KGDevil
I'm also inclined to think it's him. I've been trying to find out more about this story also. I haven't found much information in the papers that I have access to, but I'm still trying.
CagneyBT wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:43 pm hi KG![]()
The Thomas Boulds who was born in Troy was married twice. The year of his first marriage is unknown, and your research revealed a second marriage in 1893. Yet, as a twice-married man, he was still boarding at Dr. Handy’s and Mrs. Churchill’s rather than living with his wife and establishing his own household. Does that make sense? It seems like the type of work situation that was more suitable for a single man.
CagneyBT wrote: Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:43 pm
The Thomas Boulds who was born in Troy was married twice. The year of his first marriage is unknown, and your research revealed a second marriage in 1893. Yet, as a twice-married man, he was still boarding at Dr. Handy’s and Mrs. Churchill’s rather than living with his wife and establishing his own household. Does that make sense? It seems like the type of work situation that was more suitable for a single man.