Lizzie Borden Society Forum

Here is the tree for William S. Borden, copiled by Jeffery and verified by me.
Sources are at the bottom.
The focus of this tree is to trace William's relationship back to Andrew for real.

please click on picture to view.

Thanks for the chart! With that I could do the following.

Kinship of William S Borden
by Gramma with Family Tree Maker


Borden, Abraham Bowen 4th cousin once removed
5th cousin once removed
5th cousin twice removed


Borden, Andrew Jackson 5th cousin
6th cousin
6th cousin once removed

Borden, Lizzie Andrew 5th cousin once removed
6th cousin once removed
7th cousin ...... or was it 1/2 sister???


Gramma

That is funny!

Until relatively recently, I wasn't much interested in genealogy. (Don't shoot me, Gramma.) But, more and more I find that when one looks at the earlier history of relatively small communities, there is a real need to understand the family connections.

I've just recently been totally converted to this most interesting pasttime.
The Borden Genealogy from the FRHS is excellent.
To me, it was like learning a new kind of math.
I had no idea I'd take to it so well.
Stefani used to be the family genealogical researcher- we tramped many a family graveyard together in the 70's.
To think there are Cemetery Societies dedicated to preserving the info contained on gravestones- I don't think I would have thought of that.

Sorry, Gramma, i didn't understand all the "removes".
Doug taught me this a while ago- can you explain what you mean?

Thanks, Kat. I was always under the impression that William was supposed to have been younger than Lizzie, yet according to this chart, he would have been her elder 1/2 brother, interesting. I think I had the idea in my mind that Andrew fooled around after Sarah had passed away.

Cousins removed . ........ not an easy concept unless you have on paper and I never trust myself to do it without the chart in front of me or I let Treemaker do it for me! I'm not very good at explaining this but I'll give it a try.
Let's try it on the first cousin level.
If you have a first cousin and they have a child it is your first cousin once removed. That child's child would be first cousin twice removed, etc. As long as you stay in the same line each generation is one more time removed.
If you step down both lines the relationship changes. Such as, your child and the child of your cousin would be second cousins....they share the same great grandparents. The if you go further down one side it becomes second cousin once removed, etc.
In Lizzie's case above there are multiple relationships to the same person as she has more than one line going back to the same ancestor. So she was related to William S. Borden several times over. My file is not complete so there may be even more.

Gramma

Ok thanks. I wasn't sure that you derived these multiple relationships just from my little tree I posted.
I understand now you were referring to further info you had compiled and adding it all together here.

The title of this post made me recall a scene in that video in which A. Brown explained his William Borden theory: he hung himself on a (real and natural) tree, and a hatchet dropped from one of his hands! Is this scene a historic fact? Was there really a hatchet found near William’ body?

Franz wrote:The title of this post made me recall a scene in that video in which A. Brown explained his William Borden theory: he hung himself on a (real and natural) tree, and a hatchet dropped from one of his hands! Is this scene a historic fact? Was there really a hatchet found near William’ body?

Yes! There was- I saw a death certificate for William Borden- he actually poisoned himself then hung himself. On the certificate, it was listed as suicide by hanging as cause of death. The hatchet was nearby and it was thought to have been the site of another murder (can't remember the name).