Lizzie Borden Society Forum

Last week Ben mentioned that TAPS had been to the B&B for a paranormal investigation, and they were waiting for TAPS to report their findings. As I've said before, I don't believe in ghosts, (and I had no otherworldly experiences while staying there) but I do enjoy watching the show, and I'm looking forward to seeing the B&B featured in detail.
But it sure would be cool if they caught something similar to that hair raising video clip of "something" running down the corridor of the abandoned Eastern State Penitentiary in Philly!

Does anyone know any other details about their B&B visit?

Ray, I believe the new season of T.A.P.S starts this Tuesday the 26th. But, from what I recall seeing about the blurb on the first show, its not the one on the B&B. I tried to access their website to find out more info and couldn't get the page to load, you might want to give it a try?

http://www.the-atlantic-paranormal-society.com/


I remember that episode with that weird, cloaked shadow thing that came running towards the camera and then ran away from it, very creepy!

Susan...it took a while, but I finally got the page to open. Maybe I was too tired, but I couldn't see a B&B reference, or a way to search for one. I am not familiar with this site, so maybe it is there, but I just can't see it...yet. Any ideas on how to find it ?


Tracy...

Hmm, I guess something was wrong with the site last night, couldn't get it to open for me and this morning it opened fine. All I could find on the site was that the TAPS team was going to have 13 new Ghost Hunters shows on the SciFi Network starting the 27th, Wednesday at 9:00. I went to the SciFi network page and this is the info I found, no B&B listing so far:

07/27/2005 08:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) MYRTLE'S PLANTATION
07/27/2005 11:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) MYRTLE'S PLANTATION
08/03/2005 08:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) GRAFTON & CRANSON CASE
08/03/2005 11:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) GRAFTON & CRANSON CASE
08/10/2005 08:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) MEEHAN'S HOUSE
08/10/2005 11:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) MEEHAN'S HOUSE
08/17/2005 08:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) DEVILLE'S HOUSE & BRENNAN'S RESTAURANT
08/17/2005 11:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) DEVILLE'S HOUSE & BRENNAN'S RESTAURANT
08/24/2005 08:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) MORDECAI & USS N CAROLINA
08/24/2005 11:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) MORDECAI & USS N CAROLINA
08/31/2005 08:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) BRADLEY PLAYHOUSE & HARRIS FIREHOUSE
08/31/2005 11:00 PM GHOST HUNTERS (SEASON 2) BRADLEY PLAYHOUSE & HARRIS FIREHOUSE

I guess they're going to make us wait on that one!

At the risk of sounding like a nutzo, I still hold the
theory that maybe those children who died in the
well next door and their Mother, are haunting the
Borden house. Have ghosts ever actually killed people? I've read of ghosts doing strange things, even locally at a B & B they moved pots and pans and caused a mess, but has anyone heard of a ghost actually killing someone?

Poltergeists can cause injuries, but I have never heard of a ghost hurting someone..

My papa always used to tell me...

"It is not the dead who will harm you, it is the living"

I don't think it's a nutty question. It is an interesting one.
But why would the drowned children haunt the Borden house?
I'm still not sure about the state of the property at that time, either. We know the property encompassed 2 addresses, but prior to 1845, there could have been 2 different houses there or there could have been 2 addresses within the same house after 1845, and about this I'd like to know more.
So when Uncle Laddy live there was it in the same house, or another house where the Leary Press ended up? I had thought it was the latter situation. That's why I wonder why children who died possibly next door would hang around #92. There wasn't another Borden living there until 1872.

Anyway, there are a lot of ghost-hunting shows now on the Travel Channel Friday nights- 3 straight hours of them. In all my reading and watching, I've only heard that ghosts cannot hurt someone- especially cannot kill someone.
But then there are these scratching phenomenon which looks like it hurts- but that has been considered poltergeists, or mind-over-matter, sometimes a ghost which one family claims followed them when they moved- so I guess the jury is still out on that one.

I think we watch the same TV shows Kat, I am most
convinced of ghosts though from hearing live stories
from my co-workers who worked at a local B & B.
They said "children were not allowed" yet the children were always playing and guests saw them.
They played lots of pranks! This reminded me of the children in the well and the video from former owner of the house that stated her recollections from living at the house as a child.

The children may be "visiting" the Borden house simply because they are still around, yet a nearby house that was their home is now gone.
I know of a home haunted by people connected to the property, and some that seem to be unrelated. (I posted some of this at the old forum, so I apologize to longtime posters for repeating myself.)
I grew up in a very small farming community, and on the next road over was a very large mansion, already tagged by the locals a haunted house. It had been abandoned for years when a young couple from the South purchased the property and moved in with their three children.
The family loved the house and began to raise horses and other animals there. The family expanded when the parents took in two brothers as foster children. Two months later, three more children joined the family. From the beginning, the family had many experiences with ghosts in the house: lights appearing in the (unelectrified) cupola; a large mirror swinging in time to music; men in Victorian garb being seen; and an old man constantly being seen in overalls. The family took it all in stride, and coexisted peacefully with the ghosts, and settled in for a long and happy life in the house.
But it wasn't to be. Three years later during record cold, a fire broke out in the middle of the night. Out of ten people living in the house, only two children escaped alive.
The property sat empty for about twenty years. Finally someone bought the property and built a new home.
The current owner and his wife are about the same age as the young couple that lived there so many years ago, and they have six children. They also have other "visitors" as well. They have seen the old man in the overalls wandering the property. And a young man in a military uniform guards the northern border of the property, where there was once a cemetery.
Inside the home a very friendly lady has appeared, as well as a man that walks in the den and out through the wall. Through photos, the owner has identified them as the young couple that died in the fire. The sounds of laughing children have also been heard.
The most recent phenomenon was the constant crying of a baby. When the parents checked on their own baby, she was fast asleep.
The crying baby has no connection to the property that any of us knows of. But I think that certain places might be predisposed to being like a "crossroads" where spirits might be more in evidence. The supercharged atmosphere of Second Street house (due to the murders) may be the reason for "visitors" as well.

I see what what you mean. Maybe they are drawn to a place where there is life and activity, reminding them of homelife- rather than The Leary Press building where it was probably just cold factory racket?
Not having a Borden there doesn't matter, I guess?

Thanks for the story, Stuart.

I have never heard of TAPS, sounds interesting, I will have to look more into their research. As for ghosts killing someone.....None that I know of. As for them hurting someone, I do know from personal experience that is true. I actually upset a ghost as a teen, his name was Zachary, and he literally scratched a "Z" in the side of my leg. I have tried to not see too many details here about the Borden case, as I want to keep an open mind and stay overnight at the B&B during off season, probably in November. I have had great success with a ouija board on the few occasions I have used it and hope to contact whatever may be there when I visit. Of course, I will let everyone know if anything happens.

If the TAPS investigation was recent, it would most likely be broadcast next season. It usually takes a few weeks to edit and prepare a video for broadcast.
As for ghosts killing people, one would first have to prove the existence of ghosts, before moving on to form any conclusions. And unless someone sees a ghost kill a person, how could anyone know that a person died due to a ghost? And why do serial killers die of old age in prisons, and not become victims of their victim's vengance? That would certainly be wonderful justice!
However, I'm sure that people have died due to their belief (and fear) of ghosts. Over reactions caused by irrational fears that they were encountering ghosts, have surely caused people to break their necks falling down stairs, falling out of windows, running into walls (etc.), or even just literally scaring themselves to death.
My Grandfather always said "Never fear the dead. It's the living you should be worried about". Just ask Andrew and Abby the next time you see them.

Thanks for the bit of *leavening*. I tried to maintain something along those lines in responding (that my answer depended upon whether there were ghosts), but didn't succeed.
It's still an interesting topic.
I've been watching 3 hours of *Haunted* on Friday nights lately...

Sorry Kat. I didn't mean for my response to beat a dead horse, so to speak.
And as skeptical as I am about the existence of ghosts, I would still get freaked out if I was put in the same situations that some of these shows place people. If I had to spend the night in a supposedly haunted building, after being told it's morbid history, and a bunch of ghost stories, I think I would be falling down stairs, and out windows too!

Well it's always good to be brought back down to earth once in a while.
I've been carried away with that "Most Haunted" show and that *medium.*
I do admit I own a lot of ghost books though, and you like the Haunted Mansion at Disney, right?

Well, my skepticism doesn't diminish my interest in the subject, probably because I really want ghosts to exist. I keep a rational open mind. I'm always glued to shows like "Haunted", "TAPS", and "Fear", and yes, that ole' haunted mansion is a teeny obsession of mine!

Rats, missed the first new episode of Ghost Hunters, the TiVo was too full of stuff and it got bumped off. I too have been getting carried away with Most Haunted, some of the things they catch on video are very intriguing though considered nonconclusive without further testing by their research team. Kat, did you catch the most recent one about the Station House? The moving furniture was creepy and cool!

Stef and I both watched that. It was really something!
But what I keep remembering is that shimmering light that was arched near the trunk, and it turned and glowed.
To me, this was a pretty good example of what I would imagine something in another dimension would do- making some sort of physical maneuver which exposed itself to us in our dimension. The ladies were asking it to do just that. Like flipping a skirt at someone flirtatiously- giving a hint of their presence.

That was when the ladies were in the bedroom in the dark.

Yes, that little series of lights that made up a small strand, it did seem to have a mind of its own! The research guy at the end said that there would need to be further testing to see if there were draughts and such in that room, but, whenever the ladies asked that the presence show itself or do something, one of those lights appeared. That would be quite a coincidence if it was just a dust mote or something. Wouldn't it be cool if Most Haunted came and did a show on the B&B? It would be interesting to see what their resident medium picked up at least!

I'm fascinated by all this,watch all those shows,
the real world seems so boring after this. I think
there is definitely something at work here.