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Hyman Lubinsky--conspirator?
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:13 am
by ddnoe
Has anyone ever written on the possibility that Hyman Lubinsky was part of a conspiracy? Someone pointed out that his ice-cream wagon would have been a perfect place to secrete the weapon and the bloody clothes.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:09 am
by FairhavenGuy
Why then would he come forward as a witness and admit he was right there at the time of the crimes? Would a foreign peddler think he'd have an easy time with the police?
Funny thing is, although we have folks standing around looking at plants in the back of somebody's wagon and Dr. Handy seeing his wild man, etc., etc., I don't remember anyone saying they saw an ice cream peddler go by.
I doubt after a clean getaway somebody would intentionally draw attention to themselves.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:10 am
by ddnoe
FairhavenGuy @ Wed Nov 16, 2005 10:09 am wrote:Why then would he come forward as a witness and admit he was right there at the time of the crimes? >>
(Denise) This might have been part of the plan from the beginning. He would spirit away the incriminating evidence and also provide Lizzie with a much-needed alibi.
<<Would a foreign peddler think he'd have an easy time with the police?>>
(Denise) The two of them were counting on the police assuming that a middle-aged gentlewoman and a foreign peddlar would not be acquainted much less conspirators.
<<Funny thing is, although we have folks standing around looking at plants in the back of somebody's wagon and Dr. Handy seeing his wild man, etc., etc., I don't remember anyone saying they saw an ice cream peddler go by.>>
(Denise) Precisely! No one was watching Hyman Luinsky or tracking his movements.
<<I doubt after a clean getaway somebody would intentionally draw attention to themselves.
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(Denise) But the point is that he wasn't drawing attention to himself but providing Lizzie with the agreed-upon alibi.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:09 am
by Harry
I could see how he could be used to verify Lizzie coming from the area of the barn.
As for carrying off the bloody hatchet and dress that's another problem. He would have had to stop and either he himself go to the front or side door to get the items or someone would have had to bring them out to him.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:31 am
by Ad
I'm not sure that I would pick Hyman Lubinsky to be in a conspiracy. How would he be connected to the Borden family? It wouldn't be through church, nor social circles.
What would his M.O. be? There would have to be something mighty large on the table for a man of his social standings to even consider putting his head on the block. He didn't leave town after the muder or trail; did he?
I'm sure he was scared to death just to give his testimony in the Anglo-Saxon driven society of Fall River and areas at the time.
Besides, when the heat was turned up during the questioning, pre-trial and then trial. I believe that the Borden clan would have seen him as an easy scape goat and sacrificed him on the spot.
A canary in a room full of cats!!! Sorry to disagree, but I don't see the connection. But I am open to anything you've got!!
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:33 am
by FairhavenGuy
It's just as likely Mrs. Churchill took the stuff from Lizzie and gave it to Lubinsky after Mrs. Dr. Bowen had signaled from her front window that the coast was clear.
Then Billy Borden chased David Anthony out of the house and he (Anthony) put on a pair of schnozz glasses and swapped places with Lubinsky, pushing the evidence away in the cart.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:50 am
by Ad
Chris,
Don't forget Bownie and me!
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:50 pm
by DWilly
The problem with many conspiracy theories is that so many people are brought in who: A. Have no motive to kill the victim. B. Don't seem to gain anything by taking part. C. Never ever talk about it. They tell no one.
I can only think of one time a bunch of people kept their mouths shut. I forget the year but way back there was this small town being terrorized by a bully. Real mean guy. Well, one day someone shot him right smack dab in the middle of town during the day. Many of the town's people saw it happen and no one turned in the killer. At least as far as I know.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 1:54 pm
by Angel
FairhavenGuy @ Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:33 pm wrote:It's just as likely Mrs. Churchill took the stuff from Lizzie and gave it to Lubinsky after Mrs. Dr. Bowen had signaled from her front window that the coast was clear.
Then Billy Borden chased David Anthony out of the house and he (Anthony) put on a pair of schnozz glasses and swapped places with Lubinsky, pushing the evidence away in the cart.
Fairhaven guy, you crack me up. Thanks for the laugh.
Angel
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 6:03 pm
by snokkums
Maybe he was in the right place at the right time.
He might not have known what was going on in the house when he might have helped to take the stuff.
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:49 pm
by Audrey
DWilly @ Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:50 am wrote:The problem with many conspiracy theories is that so many people are brought in who: A. Have no motive to kill the victim. B. Don't seem to gain anything by taking part. C. Never ever talk about it. They tell no one.
I can only think of one time a bunch of people kept their mouths shut. I forget the year but way back there was this small town being terrorized by a bully. Real mean guy. Well, one day someone shot him right smack dab in the middle of town during the day. Many of the town's people saw it happen and no one turned in the killer. At least as far as I know.
Ken Rex McElroy.... Skidmore Missouri.
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_m ... oy/22.html
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:46 am
by sguthmann
Opportunity without motive does not a murder make. In fact, motive would be the first litmus test I'd use when looking at a potential suspect. Only trouble is in some cases, motive is not immediately clear.
A history teacher once told me that everything happens because of one, or a combination, of three items: money, sex, and power. Some might say that is a cynical and overly simplistic explanation, however, when you think about it, it is very applicable to crime. In the case of the Bordens, I'm not so sure any one of them can be ruled out.
As for Lubinsky, there's just not enough there to make me take a serious look at him. It would take a lot of development in the area of motive to make me think otherwise.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:50 am
by theebmonique
Great link Auds....thanks !
Tracy...
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 7:09 am
by snokkums
I think the problem with a conspiracy here is that no-one is talking,(as Audrey said) and also there was never an avenue to follow to check out the conspiracy theory. Even if no one was talking, there still be leads and avenues to follow. Something would have turned up, even if no one was talking.
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:07 pm
by Ad
Audrey,
I want to thank you for the crime library link.
I is fantastic, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Re: Hyman Lubinsky--conspirator?
Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 4:06 pm
by snokkums
ddnoe @ Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:13 am wrote:Has anyone ever written on the possibility that Hyman Lubinsky was part of a conspiracy? Someone pointed out that his ice-cream wagon would have been a perfect place to secrete the weapon and the bloody clothes.
I think he was just at the place he was suppose to be at. but it would have been the perfect screen dont think he had anyting to dowith it