Lizzie Borden Society Forum

Just saw that ---it's on MSNBC now. And just when I thought it would never be solved! I guess we can expect around the clock coverage for the next week---this is really big news.

Amazing, isn't it? Too bad Patsy Ramsey died before the arrest. His family is claiming they can alibi him for that Christmas? Could they have their years mixed up; could they be in denial; or could he have made a lucky guess about the details known only to the killer? All very unexpected and intriguing!

--Lyddie

I heard that they told Patsy before she died that they had their eyes on this guy and would soon make an arrest. I guess she died knowing that it was almost over.

This ought to be interesting... http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060817/ap_ ... net_ramsey

Wait - did Patsy write that note or not? Why do I still feel that the family, namely Dad, is mixed up in this? Could he have been pimping his molestable little girl? Unless the DNA matches this creep's, we'll have to keep an open mind aout this being the "solution," won't we? Too many little oddities, like in that case of what's-her-name, the hatchet lady...

Looks like the "media" is in one of its frenzy's - non-stop coverage.

I have a vague premonition this fellow may turn out to be another Charles Peckham.

Bob Gutowski @ Thu Aug 17, 2006 10:56 am wrote:Wait - did Patsy write that note or not? Why do I still feel that the family, namely Dad, is mixed up in this? Could he have been pimping his molestable little girl? Unless the DNA matches this creep's, we'll have to keep an open mind aout this being the "solution," won't we? Too many little oddities, like in that case of what's-her-name, the hatchet lady...

Am I the only one to find these comments repulsive?
Perhaps those who feel that way need professional help?

Now he's saying that he drugged Jon Benet, but the autopsy was negative for drugs. Could this be another cruel ruse?

I suggest we should all wait a few days for the breaking news to be solidified.
What about the DNA?

Bob Gutowski @ Thu Aug 17, 2006 6:56 am wrote:Wait - did Patsy write that note or not? Why do I still feel that the family, namely Dad, is mixed up in this? Could he have been pimping his molestable little girl? Unless the DNA matches this creep's, we'll have to keep an open mind aout this being the "solution," won't we? Too many little oddities, like in that case of what's-her-name, the hatchet lady...

I am trying to keep an open mind until I see the evidence. Supposedly the teacher repeatedly incriminated himself in email. We'll have to wait and see how this plays out.

Like you, I still have a bad feeling about Dad -- this *feels* like a family murder. However, I always try to keep the Atlanta Olympics bombing case in mind. Richard Jewell, the poor guy, fit the bomber profile, but he was totally innocent. So could Jon-Benet's father be innocent. Though he gives me the creeps, he may not have killed her.

I think we're headed for a major media circus.

Lynn

We are talking about a murder, Ray, not a tea party. And the DNA we're talking about would be from saliva found in the little girl's underpants.

It is looking more and more like this guy is a crackpot and not the killer. His ex-wife, who does not even like him, has given him an alibi for the time of the murder---he was in Alabama with her.

I think he is crazy, and wanted out of Thiland. He will get his passage back to the states for this, they will find him innocent (no DNA), let him go, and that will be that. My opinion entirely. We shall see.

I agree 100 percent Stef. I watched his eyes carefully when he said it was an accident and he was there, etc. They don't match what he is saying. I think the creep is probably a pedophile, but wishes for the notariety. I always rather wondered about Albert DaSalvo too. Carr is one twisted pup.

He looks like Lee Harvey Oswald, I think.
I thought it was *Carr* too, but saw it written as *Karr* today. I had misspelled the name to someone yesterday. Ooops!

Most ex-wives would be happy to see their former spouses arrested. If she's claiming he was with her, he must be one of those insane attention seekers.

Bob Gutowski @ Thu Aug 17, 2006 2:20 pm wrote:We are talking about a murder, Ray, not a tea party. And the DNA we're talking about would be from saliva found in the little girl's underpants.

Your comments add nothing to the discussion!!!
There was flesh under JonBenet's fingernails, and fluid in her panties.

There was flesh under Nicole Brown Simpson's fingernails. The blood type did not match Nicole, Ron Goldman, or OJ Simpson. Was it discarded?
You should know that the LA DA played ball with organized crime in the 1930s and 1940s. Chief Parker put an end to that.

They are saying this man is giving *gruesome details that only the killer would know- never released details about the condition of the body.*

That might indicate that he knows who did it and was told everything and or there are photos out there.
The more I think about how long the killer stayed with the girl, the more likely it is to think the killer took pictures.

It's hard to imagine.

Kat @ Fri Aug 18, 2006 9:08 am wrote:They are saying this man is giving *gruesome details that only the killer would know- never released details about the condition of the body.*

That might indicate that he knows who did it and was told everything and or there are photos out there.
The more I think about how long the killer stayed with the girl, the more likely it is to think the killer took pictures.

It's hard to imagine.

Oh God, what a dreadful thought.

Another possibility is that, after his obsessive study of the case, his correspondence with people who did know the details, Karr was able to make good guesses -- to pick up tiny clues and weave them together. We're talking about hundreds of emails over a period of years.

He's definitely got a sexual interest in underage girls: when he was 19, he married a 14-year-old girl. A year later, she got an annulment; she was "fearful for her life and safety." A few years later he married a 16-year-old. They had three children. God only knows what he did to them.

Anyone who has survived being molested (especially in an ongoing way by a parent or authority figure) knows how deeply and how extensively it damages your life. Therapy helps you deal with it, but the shame, pain, rage still affect you decades later. I pray for this guy's victims, whether JonBenet Ramsey was among them or not.

Lynn

Kat @ Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:12 am wrote:He looks like Lee Harvey Oswald, I think.
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I don't think so at all. LHO was in the news 43 years ago, were you that old? Or just from old films?
Oswald after all was not guilty. He was never convicted, and may not even have been indicted.
YOU can draw your own conclusions about that.

Oswald as in fact not guilty! I'm not making that up. George O'Toole wrote a book over 30 years ago about his journalistic investigation into the events. He used a Voice Stress Analyzer to examine the words of the various people involved. It is still a good read, I'd highly recommend it to all of you. This report blew the lid off the cover-up, and was followed by the House Select Investigation in 1977.

The expert on a VSA said that Oswald was telling the truth ("it wasn't me"), or, completely insane (didn't know reality). Which is it?
If you think the Borden Murders was difficult, try reading the books on JFK's unsolved assassination..

I don't really know enough, just what was on TV.
I think that he may just turn out to be someone interested in this case, and knew enough to make a confession THAT would quickly get him out of a foreign jail and back to the comforts of a Denver jail.

I would like to hope that this case could finally be solved. However, I am uncertain about this guy. Time will tell what evidence there is and if it connects him to the murder. BTW, I always thought that the DNA found in her underwear was traced back to the factory where the underwear was made. Might be wrong on that, but I thought I read it in Crime Library. The whole case always was a very strange one.

RayS @ Fri Aug 18, 2006 4:32 pm wrote:

Kat @ Fri Aug 18, 2006 3:12 am wrote:He looks like Lee Harvey Oswald, I think.
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I don't think so at all. LHO was in the news 43 years ago, were you that old? Or just from old films?
Oswald after all was not guilty. He was never convicted, and may not even have been indicted.
YOU can draw your own conclusions about that.

Well, on TV tonight, the show on the case as of today, on NBC, called Dateline Saturday Night, 10 pm, also thought Karr looked like Lee Harvey Oswald-- so much so that their first film clip at the very beginning, was the famous film of Lee Harvey Oswald being led down the corridor by officials, in black and white.
I have left you a *raspberry.*

Hmmm... Veeeeeeery Innnnteresting, as Arte Johnson used to say. I can see exactly why people might compare the two. They're not twins, but...reminiscent of oneanother at least.

When I first saw him during the "shuffle" I also thought he looked like Oswald...I guess I'm not the only one thinking that! I don't think that has anything to do with guilt or innocence, just a resemblance in physical features. I do wonder if someone will kill this guy, like Oswald, before they find out though...

I read that the DNA evidence said it was a white male who was not a relative of the Ramseys.
IF it matches Karr, and they can prove he was there at the time (plane tickets, some witness who can say he was there, etc) then its up to a jury or a plea bargain.
But I don't think any elected DA will agree to a plea bargain; the case is too horrible.
After the Corporate Media propaganda against OJ, and the similar treatment of the Ramseys (guilty but we can't prove it), I would be reluctant to commit at this time. I, like Justice, can wait a few months.

RayS @ Wed Aug 23, 2006 9:13 am wrote:I read that the DNA evidence said it was a white male who was not a relative of the Ramseys.
IF it matches Karr, and they can prove he was there at the time (plane tickets, some witness who can say he was there, etc) then its up to a jury or a plea bargain.

No match!

I am very curious what will happen next.

Hugs,
Lynn

Someone mentioned that Karr just wanted a free ride back to the States.

I can picture something very wrong with him physically and he hoped to be in custody long enough to not only get back to America, but get free health care- plus the recognition.

It's back to wondering if he saw actual photos.

Should we waste any more time on a person who claims to be what he or she isn't?

Well, can't say I was surprised at this outcome. Now there is a huge outcry about "the most expensive DNA test in history". He is a sick pup and I hope he gets taken off the streets-they have enough to hold him for kiddy porn. Too bad they could not have done the DNA test before the story broke.

Accordong to the news, they did a DNA test from the residue from the "bicycle handles".
It wasn't good enough, they needed a buccal swab.