Lizzie Borden Society Forum

Welcome to the forum, Ashley.

Have you tried the arguement that Lizzie was well brought up young lady from a well - to - family, so she couldn't possibly have done this. She also went to church and was a Sunday school teacher and was an active member in the local temperance movement. How could someone who went to church and taught Sunday school and was a part of the temperance movement do this awful crime?

Also what might help you too is surf this website. There is a crime library and you can read some articles that would help. And go to the library and get the Lizzie borden Sourcebook. It has all the newspaper articles that were written at the time.

These may help you a bit Ashley:

http://lizzieandrewborden.com/

http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com/LizzieABorden.htm






Tracy

Yeah, I have.
And thanks :D

I edited this post and deleted the section of my opening statement that I had up here because I think some of my classmates (the prosecution..) might find it. Haha. Even if they do, it's alright though.
I'm over confident.

If you will go to the second link I gave you, click on CRIME LIBRARY, you can look at THE trial transcript and get the argumets of Lizzie's actual legal team.





Tracy...

thanks :]

Hi!

As her defense- You don't have to prove Lizzie didn't do it- you only have to show reasonable doubt.

For me, on a jury, if someone kept setting up a scenario and describing that and then saying Lizzie could not fit into that scenario- that might make me place Lizzie into that scene in my imagination and then it's hard for me to forget her in that scene.

That's just my opinion.

I think it might be better to not create the scene with Lizzie in it at all. Keep her away from the scene and off elsewhere innocently in the barn or wherever.

You are right about one thing, if she did do this, there would be blood all over the place, and she would not have time to clean up from head to toe, plus clean the scene up.

But there is one hole in that-- the maid. She and the maid were the only other two in the house at the time of the murders. Noone else came in the house until Lizzie told Bridget to go get someone. Between the two of them they very well could have at least cleaned up Lizzie and changed her clothes. And there was a dress that was burned and she said that it had red paint on it. Might want to revise that part so the prosecution doesnt poke the same hole that I just did in it.

Snookums arguments have holes in them big enough to drive a horse drawn trolley through! There was clearly another person in the house that day. He was the murderer. Lizzies dress was never ever described as being stained with "red" paint. It was simply a stained old dress. There was no collusion between Lizzie Andrew Borden, society girl and daughter of A.J. Borden, one of Fall Rivers finest citizens and a lowly Irish Maggie! How preposterous. What is next Snookums, was Dr. Seabury Bowen colluding with a Portuguese! Absurd! Ashly my dear, the Bordens were murdered by Lizzie's half brother, the unrecognized son William "Billy" Borden of East Taunton,a former asylum inmate at Taunton State. Billy's existence was never brought up in the actual trial, except for the wonderfully revealing exchange between the Prosecutor Knowlton and Lizzie at the Inquest::
K:"How many children has your father?" L:"Only two." K:"Only you two?" L:"Yes, sir." K:"Any others, ever?" L: "One that died."
You see Knowlton knew the secret back story that was NOT to be revealed, and this exchange shows him toying with Miss Lizzie, letting her know that HE knew more. If the trial were held today, Billy would be produced and the case would be an even bigger sensation. Simply suggesting another perpertrator would be enough to satisfy the "reasonable doubt" requirement and Lizzie would be found Not Guilty of Murder...accesory however is another thing altogether!
If you have an interest in this case beyond your school project, seek out "Lizzie Borden The Legend, the Truth, the Final Chapter" by Arnold R. Brown Dell Publishing ISBN: 0-440-21315-0.
Best wishes!

Thanks, snokkums.

And Steveads2004, I'm not so sure about the half brother theory, but thanks :D