Lizzie Borden Society Forum

I was watching the Discovery times channel, and last night they had the show "Lizzie borden took an axe". Got some questions that some of you might be able to answer.

1) It was said that Bridget the maid was illiterate and that she had a dark past. This the first time I have heard something like this. Was in her past that was so bad.


2) Sloppy police work. What I am wondering is why didn't the police people from trampling all over the police. For that matter why didn't lizzie call the police first instead of the doctor? People didn't get until about 4:30pm(according to the show). Why was that? So she could clean herself up?


3) Why burn the dress? If you knew you were a suspect, why burn the dress you were wearing that day, even if it had paint on it?

4) With the brutallity of the killing, I am wandering if there wasn't incest going on.

Any thoughts on this?

Snok...Angel already started a thread on this show. I think you even posted in it before you started this duplicate thread, an oversight perhaps ? IMO, it would be easier to keep track of if we keep it down to one thread per one thought/idea/subject ?





Tracy...

There is very little known about Bridget's past. The TV show got it wrong. There is no proof or any definite history about her past or her future except for what came out in the trail. The rest is all gossip, hearsay, scandalous rumor. Perhaps because she worked for seveal families in a short period of time everyone assumes that there was something shady about her. The fact that she was Irish was enough for the "Irish need not apply people" to run with ill gotten stories. And to state that she had a dark past is to do Bridget an injustice.

And remember, your head is NOT attached to the rest of your body, but rolls around freely, spurting blood here and there. What a bunch of maroons!

theebmonique @ Thu Dec 28, 2006 1:41 pm wrote:Snok...Angel already started a thread on this show. I think you even posted in it before you started this duplicate thread, an oversight perhaps ? IMO, it would be easier to keep track of if we keep it down to one thread per one thought/idea/subject ?





Tracy...

I wasn't sure if what I was asking fit in with that thread so I figured I better start a new one. Sorry. opps.

It is a good thing to warn us about that erroneous show. More details would help us avoid (or find) it.

IF Bridget had any previous faults that would have come out before or during the trial. Years later means it was just unfounded gossip.

Yes, I felt like there were alot of errors in the show, but I wasn't sure. There is so rumors and such going around I wanted to ask.

If it's the video Stef and I were in, it's called Lizzie Borden Had An Axe.
Just FYI.

that show was so riddled with mistakes that it was ridiculous. i don't understand why the producers don't fact check the final script. i think this program was just an excuse to show a melon getting axed and luminol in use. it is the MYSTERY that is endlessly fascinating, not the gore. how the crime could have been committed by [b]anyone.
anyway, i am again annoyed by another tv "documentary" that misses the point.[/b][/i][/u]

The makers of the video were very excited by their project and the players in the forensic section seemed very interested and involved as well. There was a lot of enthusiasm on the part of these people and that energy was great, but yes there might have been some more fact-checking involved. The doll house reenactment went *on tour* I think I heard.

The forensic experts were new to the case and I think that was a flaw.

In one of Stefani's lectures in Fall River she described how a documentery gets made from idea conception thru completion and it was kind of backwards how a subject is approached. It was interesting, and eye-opening to say the least.

Yes I think there were alot of flaws in the show. But I think it did raise questions. Like, for instances, and I know I keep complaining about this, but where was all the blood, and who cleaned it up? Thats just one of things that I feel the show did do, make us look at the case alittle different.

Kat @ Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:39 am wrote:If it's the video Stef and I were in, it's called Lizzie Borden Had An Axe.
Just FYI.

I assume no one has any objection to your part in the show, just some of the others?
That is always a danger when you are part of a whole; you don't know what the director or producer will put into the SHOW BUSINESS part.

snokkums @ Mon Jan 01, 2007 10:40 pm wrote:Yes I think there were alot of flaws in the show. But I think it did raise questions. Like, for instances, and I know I keep complaining about this, but where was all the blood, and who cleaned it up? Thats just one of things that I feel the show did do, make us look at the case alittle different.

Kieran's measurements tell us where the blood spatter was (on the walls and rug / floor). No photographs of this (low grain films).
Any blood spatter on the killer would be removed when he left the house.

NOTE that this bloody hacking pretty much denotes a male. A poisoning pretty much denotes a female. You can read the True Crime stories.

This is Kieran at the trial.
He only has very limited information about the blood.
This is it in totality.
Otherwise, Dr. Dolan is the one to read for blood evidence.

RE-CROSS EXAMINATION.

Q. (By Mr. Jennings.) One thing I have omitted to call your attention to. Did you take the location of any particular blood spots in or about the sitting room or dining room,---what were pointed out to you as blood spots?
A. I did.

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Q. Where were they? Who pointed the spots out to you?
A. Dr. Dolan.

Q. The Medical Examiner?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. When?
A. On August 16, 1892.

Q. Now I will call your attention particularly to spots on or near the door opening from the sitting room into the kitchen. Will you give us the location of those spots, if any there were?
A. From the point pointed out to me by Dr. Dolan as being the point where Andrew Borden's head was on the sofa---

Q. I don't care anything about that: I want to know where they were on the door?
A. I measured from this point which Dr. Dolan showed me to the blood spot on the door.

Q. Well.
A. I think that is the only measurement I have,---to that spot.

Q. Well, how far was it?
A. Eight feet and six inches.

Q. Now can you tell us where it was in respect to the door itself?
A. It was on the architrave, on the side of the door farthest from the dining room wall.

Q. How far from the floor?
A. I did not measure,---don't know.

Q. Can you give us an idea?
A. No, sir.

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Q. Was any spot pointed out to you upon the door itself?
A. I don't remember any.

Q. Now you say this spot was on the architrave of the door. Will you state, or will you indicate, by the door behind you, what you mean by that?
A. (Indicating piece at side of door) This is called the architrave.

Q. Was it what you would call the beading?
A. Well, I refer to this whole casing as the architrave.

Q. Was the spot on what you would call the beading?
A. I don't know.

Q. Now was your attention called to a spot in the dining-room?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Where?
A. On the casing of the door which opens from the sitting-room into the dining-room, and on that side of the door farthest away from the sofa.

Q. Now you say the casing. What is the difference between the casing and the architrave?
A. None, I mean the same thing.

Q. Well, how far was that from the floor, if you can tell us?
A. There were two spots there. One was 12-1/2 inches from the floor, the other
14-1/2.

Q. Who pointed those out to you?
A. Dr. Dolan.

Q. The medical examiner?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Was any spot pointed out to you on the ceiling of the sitting-room?
A. None that I remember.

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Blood Evidence (from the web site):
http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com/Crime ... idence.htm

I need to axe everyone a question (pardon the pun): Where can I obtain a copy of the video, "Lizzie Borden Had an Axe"? I not only like to get my hands on any Lizzie-related videos I can, but I would also like to actually see some of the people (if only on film) with whom I've been corresponding over the past few months.

I've never seen it offered for sale.
I too would want any Lizzie-related videos!