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Davis on Victorian Mores
Posted: Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:26 pm
by Constantine
From Charles C. Davis, The Conduct of Law, The Borden Case, second article, A Discussion of the Judge's Charge:
f any motive were ever adequate to commit a murder, they might consider who the murdered mother was, whether she was or was not a quiet, inoffensive, domestic woman, or whether she was quarrelsome, quick tempered, engaged in outside affairs; . . .
!!!!!
I'd like to believe Davis's tongue was in his cheek, but it does not appear so to me.
Re: Davis on Victorian Mores
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:33 pm
by RayS
Constantine @ Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:26 pm wrote:From Charles C. Davis, The Conduct of Law, The Borden Case, second article, A Discussion of the Judge's Charge:
If any motive were ever adequate to commit a murder, they might consider who the murdered mother was, whether she was or was not a quiet, inoffensive, domestic woman, or whether she was quarrelsome, quick tempered, engaged in outside affairs; . . .
!!!!!
I'd like to believe Davis's tongue was in his cheek, but it does not appear so to me.
Is this taken out of context? It seems to be!
And just who is C C Davis?
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 3:11 pm
by theebmonique
click
Tracy...
Re: Davis on Victorian Mores
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:49 pm
by Constantine
RayS @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 1:33 pm wrote:Is this taken out of context? It seems to be!
And just who is C C Davis?
In the sense that it is a passage lifted from a longer original, of course it is taken out of context. I do not believe I am distorting the intent.
The Conduct of Law - 1894
Essay by Judge Charles G. Davis. A series of letters published originally in the Boston Daily Advertiser in December 1893. A legal discussion in which the letter writer disagreed with some of the rulings by the Court. Davis was quoted extensively by Edmund Pearson.
Available on CD from Borden Books and Gifts
(I thought you were the one who had researched the case thoroughly.)
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:24 pm
by Kat
Thanks for giving the citation.
I haven't read that in ages!
Did you read Wigmore as well?
Ray hasn't researched anything. He doesn't believe in it. He parrots Brown and mentions Radin- I think he has read 3 books. 15 years ago.
If one reads his posts from 5 years ago they are pretty much the same as now:
*Lizzie didn't do it and neither did Bridget or anyone who worked for Father*
*You can look it up*
I'd put a smilie here but it's not funny.
His job is to stop topics dead in their tracks.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:28 pm
by Constantine
Kat @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:24 pm wrote:Thanks for giving the citation.
I haven't read that in ages!
Did you read Wigmore as well?.
Yes I did. I don't think it told me anything I didn't already know, though. (Maybe I'll look at it again.)
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 6:31 pm
by Smudgeman
Kat @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:24 pm wrote:Thanks for giving the citation.
I haven't read that in ages!
Did you read Wigmore as well?
Ray hasn't researched anything. He doesn't believe in it. He parrots Brown and mentions Radin- I think he has read 3 books. 15 years ago.
If one reads his posts from 5 years ago they are pretty much the same as now:
*Lizzie didn't do it and neither did Bridget or anyone who worked for Father*
*You can look it up*
I'd put a smilie here but it's not funny.
His job is to stop topics dead in their tracks.
I couldn't have said it any plainer or better Kat. He is like a bad neighbor that you wish would move away.
Posted: Wed Apr 04, 2007 7:05 pm
by Kat
Hey, Ray has been very busy lately!
(When I said he'd read 3 books, of course I meant 3 books on Lizzie - total. I don't know what our attraction is here for him.)
http://www.amazon.com/gp/cdp/member-rev ... centReview
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:58 am
by william
Kat,
The film mentioned in your reference,, "The Devil and Daniel Webster," was made in 1941 and starred that impeccable actor, Walter Huston.
Huston portrayed the role of "Mr. Scratch" (we know who he was, don't we?)
Recommended!
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 9:58 am
by william
Kat,
The film mentioned in your reference,, "The Devil and Daniel Webster," was made in 1941 and starred that impeccable actor, Walter Huston.
Huston portrayed the role of "Mr. Scratch" (we know who he was, don't we?)
Recommended!
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 5:01 pm
by Bob Gutowski
...with a wonderful score by Bernard Herrmann!
I think "outside affairs" would translate as "sticking her nose into places it didn't belong instead of keeping to herself as a good wife should."
Re: Davis on Victorian Mores
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:12 pm
by RayS
Constantine @ Wed Apr 04, 2007 5:49 pm wrote:...
In the sense that it is a passage lifted from a longer original, of course it is taken out of context. I do not believe I am distorting the intent.
The Conduct of Law - 1894
Essay by Judge Charles G. Davis. A series of letters published originally in the Boston Daily Advertiser in December 1893. A legal discussion in which the letter writer disagreed with some of the rulings by the Court. Davis was quoted extensively by Edmund Pearson.
Available on CD from Borden Books and Gifts
(I thought you were the one who had researched the case thoroughly.)
The real question was Davis present in court, or what? Is his knowledge take from one local newspaper and its shortened quotes? Could he have even read the Trial Transcript?
Weighing his testimony?
Re: Davis on Victorian Mores
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 5:44 pm
by Constantine
RayS @ Thu Apr 12, 2007 12:12 pm wrote:The real question was Davis present in court, or what?
I don't know, Ray. Did you see him there?
Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2007 4:28 pm
by RayS
What we have here is a failure to communicate.
It is very true that one judge (who wasn't present) will disagree with another's verdicts. But usually ethics prevent this. Was Davis from another state?