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Pictures of Lizzie & Emma?
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:59 am
by Tina-Kate
Has anyone else seen this before?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizzie_Borden
This is the 1st I've ever seen of these alleged pictures of Lizzie & Emma.
I wonder where they came from or if there is any proof of authenticity.
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:05 pm
by Harry
Good find, T.K. I don't think either look anything like the known photos. The trouble with Wikipedia is that anyone can post whatever they want, with or without any proof of authenticity.
At least the one of "Emma" was taken in Boston.
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:13 pm
by Tina-Kate
The one of "Lizzie" looks freakishly like me as a child.
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 12:23 pm
by Shelley
Sad thing is, neither Emma or Lizzie Borden were unusual names for the period, and these photos may actually have been labelled on the back as such. Seems like any photo with period clothing on, and that name is taken as THE Emma and Lizzie Borden. Any photo labelled as such, taken anywhere near Fall River is fair game. This one on Wikipedia has a Boston photographer, and with all the photographers in Fall River, why Emma would go to Boston to have her photo portrait taken is unlikely, but if it was
possible, someone will say it is probable!
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 1:15 pm
by Tina-Kate
It's interesting that the "Emma" picture is listed as public domain, while the "Lizzie" has some kind of licensing agreement attached to it.
Someone trying to make a buck or two?
UPDATE:
I just clicked on again & the pictures have gone! Hmmm...
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 2:35 pm
by Harry
They're back again. Just in case they do disappear, here they are, Lizzie, then Emma:
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 3:10 pm
by Tina-Kate
Thanks, Harry!
I need to learn how to do that...
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 4:09 pm
by Angel
They can't be the girls. Especially the one that is supposed to be Emma.
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 7:07 pm
by 1bigsteve
They don't look anything like our Lizzie and Em. Not in the slightist.
-1bigsteve (o:
Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 11:49 pm
by Susan
Personally I think the one that supposed to be Emma doesn't look anything like her at all. The Lizzie one I had to look at awhile and see if any of the distinguishing features matched up, I think its not her. I do find it helpful to line up any questionable photo with one that is known.
Heres a pic of Lizzie as a girl:
I can't find a pic of Emma as a young lady, does anyone have it to post, the one where she is in a checked dress?
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 3:59 am
by Kat
Here she is Susan.
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:02 am
by Fargo
The Ears on both Lizzie's don't seem to match. They say that Ears don't change. The Ear on our Lizzie
seems more rounded on the bottom than the Ear on the new Lizzie.
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2007 9:19 pm
by Susan
Thanks, Kat.
Thats the one. The photo thats supposed to be Emma appears to be wearing a dress with leg-o-mutton sleeves and with that hairstyle, it looks to be an 1890 something photo. We know that Emma wasn't a fresh faced lass at that point in time.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:43 am
by Kat
I see- you are dating the photo by the clothing.
Here is the other young Emma picture we have. A member long ago took this picture of her from the TV screen. I guess it was from a video.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 11:35 am
by Tina-Kate
Stef has made an entry on her Mondo log:
http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com/MondoLizzie/
So, we can't authenticate the photos & most likely it is someone trying to make a buck out of it by providing false info on Wikipedia.
Thanks Stef for clearing this up!
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 3:46 pm
by twinsrwe
Tina-Kate @ Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:35 am wrote: ... So, we can't authenticate the photos & most likely it is someone trying to make a buck out of it by providing false info on Wikipedia.
I wonder if the person who submitted the photos, is someone who is seeking to annoy Stefani as well as anyone else who is seriously interested in the Borden case. These photos look nothing like the real Lizzie and Emma Borden.
I feel bad for Stefani, who has taken the time to provide Wikipedia with factual information on Lizzie just to have it reverted back to the original incorrect information. Not only is she now expected to follow the rules and cite every source for every fact she presents on the page, she is expected to more or less "live with" the fact that anyone can change the factual information she provides with incorrect information and without having to cite the source for their information. Sounds to me like this Tualha person has a problem with anyone who is "an expert" on Lizzie Borden. Apparently, the people who run Wikipedia want it to be just what it is - a garbage web site.
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 3:11 pm
by snokkums
I recall seeing the young Lizzie in a book or something, but recogize the one of Emma.
Posted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 6:21 pm
by Smudgeman
twinsrwe @ Mon Jul 23, 2007 2:46 pm wrote:Tina-Kate @ Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:35 am wrote: ... So, we can't authenticate the photos & most likely it is someone trying to make a buck out of it by providing false info on Wikipedia.
I wonder if the person who submitted the photos, is someone who is seeking to annoy Stefani as well as anyone else who is seriously interested in the Borden case. These photos look nothing like the real Lizzie and Emma Borden.
I feel bad for Stefani, who has taken the time to provide Wikipedia with factual information on Lizzie just to have it reverted back to the original incorrect information. Not only is she is now expected to follow the rules and cite every source for every fact she presents on the page, she is expected to more or less "live with" the fact that anyone can change the factual information she provides with incorrect information and without having to cite the source for their information. Sounds to me like this Tualha person has a problem with anyone who is "an expert" on Lizzie Borden. Apparently, the people who run Wikipedia want it to be just what it is - a garbage web site.
I agree that Wikpedia is NOT a reliable source for any type of research. Most of the time, the information you find there is incorrect, so you are right, it is a garbage website.