Lizzie Borden Society Forum

I realize some of you have probably already considered all this information before, but I find the whole idea of tracing a family tree fascinating, as do others in my family. Our family tree on my mothers side has been traced back about as far as the 1700's. Andrew's parents were Abraham Bowen Borden and Pheobe Davenport Borden. His grandmother, his father's mother, had the maiden name of Bowen. It's of course well known Dr. Bowen and his wife Pheobe were neighbors of the Borden's at the house on Second Street. Were they related to each other? Is this why Dr. Bowen could escort Lizzie to church without their being some kind of talk about it? Also I found out that one of her relatives had been convicted of murder and sentenced to hang. The murder was also one with strange circumstances. Thomas Cornell was sentenced to hang for the murder of his mother. If you would like to see how Thomas Cornell was related to Lizzie, click on "Instantly view Lizzie Borden's Family Tree." at http://www.genealogy.com/famousfolks/lizzieb/.

"Yet after the trial jury brought in a verdict of guilty and the judges pronounced a sentence of death, Thomas (all the while protesting his innocence) declined to petition either the legislature or the crown for clemency. Hence the forty-six-year-old swung from the gallows on May 23, watched by a crowd of a thousand."

http://www.common-place.org/vol-04/no-0 ... yton.shtml
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Another link on the Cornell murder.

http://members.aol.com/TNash74528/thomascornell.html

I should have added this earlier, but I figured from the information provided on the sites it could be deduced. But, Thomas Cornell's daughter was born after his execution. His wife believed so much in his innocence that she named their daugther Innocent. Innocent Cornell later grew up and married Richard Borden, which makes her....Innocent Borden. How's that for Irony?

That was interesting to look at. But I don't know if the dr. bowen or not. It is a distinctive possiblity. But thanks for the information It was nice to look at her family tree.

Thanks for all that.
I've spent time looking at that genealogy before.
I just checked now a date which is wrong (when I see "Elizabeth" instead of Lizzie, I start checking).
The Richard who married Hope Cooke (sic) died in 1795*, not 1772, as noted. I didn't get too far comparing because I am supposed to be doing my taxes! So far it's pretty much OK.

The Genealogy of The Borden Family Livving in Fall River And Vicinity, 1876, etc, from the FRHS.

No one can find much on Dr. Bowen, so if you find anything please let us know!
He's intriguing.

That indeed was very intresting.that was a mighty good find Allen. Thank you for sharing.

Kat @ Sat Apr 09, 2005 7:59 pm wrote:Thanks for all that.
I've spent time looking at that genealogy before.
I just checked now a date which is wrong (when I see "Elizabeth" instead of Lizzie, I start checking).
The Richard who married Hope Cooke (sic) died in 1795*, not 1772, as noted. I didn't get too far comparing because I am supposed to be doing my taxes! So far it's pretty much OK.

The Genealogy of The Borden Family Living in Fall River And Vicinity, 1876, etc, from the FRHS.

I cannot find that first Matthew. I would sure like to know from where he came- the source. I never heard of him.

All "Cook"s I've found also have no "e" on the end.
(including my source stated above and:
Representative men and old families of southeastern Massachusetts, etc., 1912).

I've found another tree, dated 1862, by Fowler, but he starts the family with "John" tho the other starts with Richard, John's father. (The FRHS issuance).

Since I do not have access to this, does it make mention of the trial of Thomas Cornell? Or is it strictly just for tracing the decendants and naming them off?

I am following Borden and comparing genealogical info and Fowler did the Borden/Durfee connection.
He also names Chace, Hathaway, Read, Brightman, Davis, as taxed but laments he has no genealogy on these. Fowler followed Durfee to the eigth gen. and Borden to the 9th.

I haven't searched Cornell, other than Sarah Cornell, lately and have not found her. I will keep a look-out for Thomas.

I have been looking at Bowen as well, but our Dr. doesn't seem to be of the first prominent Bowen Family which I have found.

The Fowler book gives a "sketch of" his life, the Boundary Question between Mass & R.I., an accounting of the fire of 1843, and gives manufacturing and other statistics.

Wow - just checked kat's bio - talk about cute pics!

Anonymous , Representative men and old families of southeastern Massachusetts : containing historical sketches of prominent and representative citizens and genealogical records of many of the old families.
Chicago: J.H. Beers & Co., 1912, 2105 pgs.


Sorry. This says Richard married Innocent Wardell.
The Genealogy from the FRHS only says Richard married Innocent, listed these same children, but give Richard's birthdate as Oct. 24, 1671, which is very close, and not unusual.

I was going to post two links I found at the LABVM...one of them actually mentions a relationship of Thomas Cornell and his daughter Innocent to Lizzie. I just found it the other day while looking at the online resources on the LABVML trying to find an answer to a question I had. I saw the links posted for Lizzie's genealogy. I clicked on both of them, and they didn't work. I don't know if it will work for anyone else or not, but it is listed under resources, and then GENEALOGY OF THE BORDEN FAMILY. Depending on what browser I'm using it works, or doesn't work. Which is why I didn't post it earlier. I thought it was a dead link, and didn't try it out again until earlier today after reading Kat's post. If I use my MSN Explorer browser it doesn't work for me??? Not sure why that is. If I use my Internet Explorer it works fine. The Famous Family Tree is a dead link for me no matter what browser I use. I just mention this because I'm not sure what browser everyone else might be using, and I'm not sure if it's just my computer or not.

http://members.aol.com/alicebeard/borden.html

It might just be me, because my computer is no the fritz. I just scanned it and found tons of SPYWARE and ADWARE.....

Well, what did you think of my research? It was interesting to find more flaws.

I asked Stefani to remove some genealogical links from the website as I have found most to be wrong. That was a while ago. These genealogy sites copy from one another, perpetuating mistakes.

I remember this Cornell Connection at a site Ancestors dot com. You're the first person for whom I've actually looked this up. Glad it came up again.

Kat @ Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:35 am wrote:Well, what did you think of my research? It was interesting to find more flaws.

I asked Stefani to remove some genealogical links from the website as I have found most to be wrong. That was a while ago.

I remember this Cornell Connection at a site Ancestors dot com. You're the first person for whom I've actually looked this up. Glad it came up again.

I think your research was very thorough Kat. I wish I had access to some of those genealogy sources.I would like to have a reliable source for tracing the Bowen family tree. I'd like to know for certain if Dr. Bowen was any sort of relation to the Borden's.

I'd like to do a Bowen tree, as long as it included our Seabury Bowen. The Bowens I've downloaded, as I mentioned, do not include him. I did find his father's name and so now I can look at census records.

I will look at one more source for the Innocence connection.
If we prove it solidly, you can e-mail those sites.

Well, I checked one more source: an 1899 by Hattie Borden Weld. She did use Fowler as a source for her Borden Genealogy, but she also used about 8 or 10 others. Her book is all Borden.

Allen @ Mon Apr 25, 2005 12:23 am
http://members.aol.com/alicebeard/borden.html

This tree is actually pretty accurate if you just stick to Borden info. I'd leave off the "e" at the end of Earl, and first death date for Richard as 1732 is good. I couldn't verify a couple of marriage dates but that's all.

I don't know where these Cornells came in.

I just never give up, I guess. I thought I'd better find a connection.
I have another source for you.
I'm weeping as I read. It's exciting but still confusing. I don't know if I have it in me to follow the Cornell connection further...

I was thinking last night that it's like the Borden line doesn't acknowledge the Cornell line, but the Cornell line acknowledges the Borden.
I wonder if it's a *Borden Conspiracy*?

Still looking for another source for the Borden/Cornell connection.
Anybody have any info with source?

It's more irony than anything I suspect, but I just happened to read that one of the witnesses who gave evidence against Thomas Cornell at trial was a woman by name of "Mary Cole Almy"... Ancestoress of Andrew's business partner, perhaps?? Hmmmmmm
http://members.aol.com/TNash74528/maryc ... imony.html

". . . Terling [is] the village where Thomas Cornell [grandfather of Innocent Cornell], ancestor of both Lizzie and the founder of Cornell University, was born in 1594."


This little snippet is from Terence Duniho's essay "All Things Swift" in the LAB resources section. If you go to the link below and 'word search' Innocent -- it will take you to this sentence with Innocent's name underlined. Iif you click on her name it will take you to a genealogical chart showing her connection to Lizzie.

http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com/NewResearch/Swift.htm

are you stephanie koorey, dinah?

No Stefani is not Diana.

Thanks you guys!
I would like footnotes from Ter!
I have a feeling the Cornell came from the Ancestry dot com, which is what I remember...

I am working on a tree, and I've gotten to 3rd generation today. No spouses yet.

But Thomas' sister Elizabeth married an Almy: Christopher Almy, 1661. That's pretty far back. None of their children is Mary, so she might be a wife of a son. I will get to her eventually...
You guys are great!

Any Mary Almy who testified against Thomas would probably have to be a sister of Elizabeth's husband or a wife of a brother of his.
The only Mary Almy I find directly with the Cornell tree is a 2nd wife of a son of his sister Elizabeth. The date would be way off.

I bet gramma has this all sorted by now!

I was at the LDS site and looked up Richard Borden and they have him married to Innocent Wodelll/Wardell (and show her parentage) and they also have him married to Innocent Cornell.
I think at this point, it can't be proved either way and I would leave a proper genealogy as saying "Innocent?" with the question mark.
Even if people cite their source, it's like 5 for one, 2 for the other, Cornell being the lesser number.

Thats odd that it would be that way. I wonder where the confusion comes about?

I know-- it's not like her name is Mary Smith or something.

What I think happens, because I am looking at a genealogy right now, is that the name Innocent is sort of unique and it probably started as a lost record but with the first name only. And so a family, seeing the name "Innocent" in the right time period, think it must be theirs and claim her.

A tree I'm working now has a son who married a Mary with a lost last name. In fact, I'm seeing it more often back in the 1700's.

I'm not saying this is what happened, but what could have happened.

I think I've got the proof that with this Richard, there was no "Cornell" connection.

Miss Weld says in her genealogy of these Bordens (1899) that she can't find the marriage record of Richard. Yet she names his wife as "Innocent Wardell."

From reading the stories about the Borden family members up til 1699, I find that there are 2 Borden uncles of Richard who settled Shrewsbury, N.J. That would be Francis and Benjamin. Then I looked for Wardells and found what looks like 3 sisters, or cousins named Wardell: Margaret, Lydia and Esther who all married in Shrewsbury, N.J., 1687, 1691 and 1699, respectively.

This tells me there were Bordens closely tied to Richard in Shrewsbury and Wardells marrying in Shrewsbury, so chances are Richard's wife Innocence was a Wardell after all. A lot of these Bordens were of the Friends, and some young Bordens did travel to get wives.

There was only one "Cornell" in all of the book which was designated as "American Marriages Before 1699" and that was a "Sara" to Thomas Willet, 9-1-1643, in NYCity.

Our Richard's marriage was not found as a record though it would have been listed c. 1692.

Kat @ Thu May 19, 2005 5:00 am wrote:I think I've got the proof that with this Richard, there was no "Cornell" connection.

Miss Weld says in her genealogy of these Bordens (1899) that she can't find the marriage record of Richard. Yet she names his wife as "Innocent Wardell."

I just ran across this in looking for Borden family genealogy again. I found something that relates to the genealogy research of the Miss Weld you mention above. I found it on a site belonging to a Stephen Borden. It seems the further I read into the Rebello the more research I want to do on what I'm reading .

"A major Borden genealogy was published by Hattie Borden Weld in 1899. The last of my Borden ancestors identified in her volume is my great grandfather, Stephen A Borden (d.1849 , see bible). Once he was identified in "Weld", it was easy to trace ancestors back to Richard and Joan Borden who settled in Portsmouth, RI in 1636. My Borden line is attached in excerpts from "Weld". I continue to search and to validate genealogical listings, identify maternal lines, locate where they lived, died, worked and where they are buried. "

http://www.stephenborden.com/borden.htm
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Richard Borden (son of John Borden and Mary Earle) was born Oct 25, 1671, and died Jul 12, 1732. He married Innocent Wardell on 1692.

More About Richard Borden:
Burial: Unknown, Tiverton, RI unknown.

More About Richard Borden and Innocent Wardell:
Marriage: 1692

Children of Richard Borden and Innocent Wardell are:
i. +Joseph Borden, b. Nov 04, 1702, d. date unknown.
ii. Sarah Borden, d. date unknown.
iii. John Borden, d. date unknown.
iv. +Samuel Borden, b. 1705, d. 1778.
v. Rebecca Borden, d. date unknown.
vi. +Thomas Borden, b. Dec 08, 1697, d. Apr 1740, Tiverton, RI.
vii. +Mary Borden, b. Jan 29, 1700/01, d. Jul 23, 1786.

http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/us ... -0346.html

What drew me to this story was the idea that Lizzie Borden, famed suspect in a double axe murder was related to someone named Innocent Borden. This seemed like a broad stroke of irony in the story. I guess it seems she she was related to an Innocent Borden. Just not the notorious Innocent Cornell.

Thanks. Is that you speaking at the last?
I have about 4 good sources not on-line right now. (On-line is last reort and to check discrepancies or challenges). I just got to Richard! I worked my way slowly to him. His father was 1 of 10 children and I had to chart his father's 3 elder siblings famlies before getting to Richard out of John.

Kat @ Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:43 am wrote:Thanks. Is that you speaking at the last?
I have about 4 good sources not on-line right now. (On-line is last reort and to check discrepancies or challenges). I just got to Richard! I worked my way slowly to him. His father was 1 of 10 children and I had to chart his father's 3 elder siblings famlies before getting to Richard out of John.

Yes that was just me talking on those last few sentences.

Thanks for being clear. You write well. I thought it was an ending to an article!

I realized last night about 4:30 a.m. that I was just finishing up the fourth son of the fourth son in the fourth generation! That was Richard's brother Thomas in Weld.