Miscellaneous Goodies From My Everything B Disc

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:56 am

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Fall River horse and buggy…

And then there came the automobile!

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:00 am

Oh goody! Page 5…less scrolling

Fall River store.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:04 am

The River falls…and still falls…

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:25 am

Pretty money

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:27 am

Postcard…Speaks for itself

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:30 am

Google Books has preview pages and book is for sale.
There are 2 images of the falls pg 46 and 124.

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Fa ... =en&gbpv=1

The falling River still runs…and falls…

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 1:33 am

More money

camgarsky4 · Post by **camgarsky4** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 8:36 am

Kat - thanks for sharing!

Couple questions.....is any of the river downtown still visible? Any of the falls (man made or not) visible?
Do you know which drug store the photo above is of?

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:04 pm

Sorry, this file is from 20 to 12 years ago, and the store was only listed as image “11803.27o.jpg”. That’s why I am going through my discs, to finally see what’s been saved.
Also plz see my edit above yr inquiry.

There is one place that I know of where the falls are exposed, and Harry almost fell in!
It was an amazing sight but momentarily terrifying. Like the River wanted to gobble him up!

It was kind of lost to local knowledge and we were wandering around an area and all of a sudden we could hear it and feel it, and that led us to the site. There was a fence around it, but the gate was not secure: leaning on it almost took Harry under the city. I grabbed his belt from behind, but he was so light on his feet he kind of “danced” away from danger on tiptoe. So I can’t claim to have saved his life.

MB will probably remember where it is.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 12:36 pm

Lizzie Fake Money by Stef

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 2:49 pm

If interested, plz go back one page and see the police badge that we have, with the Motto: We’ll Try. Mrs. Brigham explains it. Thanx!

camgarsky4 · Post by **camgarsky4** » Fri Feb 02, 2024 4:39 pm

One of my 'side projects' is studying the social/civic clubs in Fall River. The Ancient Order of Foresters had a number of "courts" (aka clubs) in Fall River.
One of them was....."Court We'll Try". Until I read Mrs. Brigham's explanation, I had been thinking that was an odd and somewhat uninspiring name.

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Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:00 am

Cool

Yes, Stef was trying to explain it to me, until I found the quote in the Spinner book.

But now I wonder how good is a motto if a citizen has to explain it?

otherwise…

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:04 am

Miscellaneous (the file in my computer actually had that designation

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Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:10 am

partial on Bridget

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 09, 2024 2:17 am

The telegram was sent by Anna Morse to Wm. Bradford Morse (her father) in Excelsior but we never heard of that side of the Morse family visiting in Fall River or Swansea during the Borden’s difficult time…weird. Maybe we haven’t searched for them yet. We had at least 3 out-of-town Morses around!

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Fri Feb 09, 2024 4:34 pm

I love this but I don’t know why

And here’s the link to LABVM&L for the coverage

https://lizzieandrewborden.com/HatchetO ... essay.html

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:13 am

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Emma at Wheaton 1867

1868

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:18 am

Emma goes to Scotland, and returns, 1906. Could not find passport in my files.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:21 am

Going backwards—
REWARD was still offered in October 1892

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 12:39 am

Cartoon character…
hmmm

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Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:38 pm

Lizzie’s passport application from our topic area about Lizzie’s “eye color”

pg 2

https://lizzieandrewborden.com/LBForum/ ... t&start=50

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 2:58 am

Lizzie and the FBI- Harry requested the (1945) document under Freedom of Information Act.

camgarsky4 · Post by **camgarsky4** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 7:08 am

Kat -- do we know any context of the 'FBI' letter? How did Harry know to request a copy?

Curious how long it took the FBI to respond to Harry?

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:28 pm

Sorry for any misunderstanding about the timing of the FBI response.
Yes, here is what Harry wrote about it:

Lizzie Borden and the Federal
Bureau of Investigation

By Harry Widdows

Once again Lizzie Borden turns up in the most surprising places!
In January 2004 Susan Magliaro discovered that there was a document in the files of the F.B.I. on Lizzie Borden.
On January 12, 2004 I sent a letter to the F.B.I. citing the Freedom of Information Act requesting a copy of this document. On January 23 the F.B.I. mailed me a copy which is reproduced below.
As can be seen this April 4(?), 1945 letter is a very heavily censored document and mentions Lizzie Borden in reference to a verdict in another unrelated case. Lizzie is, “… knocked off her previously, prominently held place on the ‘Pedestal of Innocence’” by the verdict of another case. Apparently the author of the letter felt this defendant was guilty to even a greater degree than he thought Lizzie had been.
Then the author goes on to mention that Lizzie, while in the hospital had had a visitor, a man (name blacked out) who had an “intimate and personal conversation with her”, the last to do so. Lizzie had entered Truesdale hospital in 1926, a year before her death, for a gall bladder operation.
Although the letter has little to do with Lizzie it does generate a number of questions:

1. Who was the sender of the letter? The header of the letter shows that it was sent from Fall River.
2. Who was the man who had the “intimate and personal” conversation with Lizzie?
3. Of what interest was this man to the F.B.I.?
4. Since this letter was written in 1945, some 18 years after Lizzie’s death, why did the author relate this information on Lizzie to the Director of the F.B.I.?
5. Who was the defendant in the 1945 case cited by the writer?

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:00 pm

A Lizzie Borden case enthusiast, named Aime Plourde, back in the sixties, wrote letters himself, hoping to gather more information on our LIzzie (I’ve done a redaction, myself.)

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camgarsky4 · Post by **camgarsky4** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:20 pm

In reference to the FBI letter, I scrolled through the April 3, '45 edition of the Fall River paper and didn't see any articles involving trials or courts. Much of the entire 14 pages are filled with WWII stores and photos.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:35 pm

Mr. Plourde, himself.
The BBC letter reply mentions they are returning his news item…it may be this item. At the bottom it says “Sorry to have missed you” so I think he had several copies made that he handed out in his journalistic endeavors, giving him credentials. I guess he was writing a book.

(His address redacted by moi)

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Mon Feb 26, 2024 10:36 pm

Sorry I missed your post

Did you include in yr search the Azores? Would that help? It says the witness went there?
It’s cool you jumped right into research mode- thanks!

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:23 pm

If anyone is going to visit Fall River, they surely will be going to Oak Grove. I did post 2 map pieces earlier, but found the full map to put here. It may be helpful to print it out.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Feb 27, 2024 11:46 pm

This is from the 1997 Jan edition of the LBQ and gives the meteorological facts of Aug 4 1892, and the week as well. *How Hot Was It?*
If you click on it it will right itself.

camgarsky4 · Post by **camgarsky4** » Wed Feb 28, 2024 7:17 am

Thanks for sharing a pic of original document!

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:22 pm

You’re welcome!
All that’s left on my *Everything B Disc* are (lots of)postcards of the area, (lots of) fake fotos (I love these), and Mark Amarantes’ (our Fall River Lad and local correspondent for The Hatchet Magazine) photos of the demolition of The Leary Press, freeing the Borden B&B from it’s embrace that obstructed the sitting room windows of the Borden house for so long.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:33 pm

For instance:
(You may click on pic to make bigger- and link to the photo essay)

https://lizzieandrewborden.com/HatchetO ... fix-15.jpg

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:41 pm

Razing The Leary Press
Borden B&B, Kelly side
Mark Amarantes

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:44 pm

A Fake Foto

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Apr 14, 2024 11:46 pm

A Post card
Fall River Rolling Rock

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:27 am

Fall River in the Snow (pics are better at the link)

https://lizzieandrewborden.com/HatchetO ... essay.html

First published in February/March, 2005, Volume 2, Issue 1, The Hatchet: Journal of Lizzie Borden Studies.

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Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:28 am

Fall River winter 2004-2005
Mark Amarantes photographer

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:40 am

Fake Foto
By Harry based on portrait grouping from “Legend of Lizzie Borden” made for TV movie, 1975

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 12:54 am

From The Hatchet
Essay by Michael Brimbau
“Apprentice to a Shoe Shine Boy”

https://lizzieandrewborden.com/HatchetO ... -city.html

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:04 am

From The Hatchet
Michael Brimbau on “Postcard Collecting”

https://lizzieandrewborden.com/HatchetO ... hobby.html

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:07 am

I had taken the Industrial “Spinners” from their own picture and set them down on my old street here in Florida.

The sign I have her leaning on says “Do Not Feed The Ducks”

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 16, 2024 1:28 pm

Kat wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 4:04 am LBQ- poor Lil’ Abbie. Has anyone gone after Victoria Lincoln’s papers?

I noticed Lil’ Abby thanks Mr. Plourde in her letter (pg 3 in this thread- dated 1968) for giving her Victoria Lincoln’s address.
I also think he wrote letters to the LBQ? [edit here to turn blue]
Does anyone know if he wrote a book, or anything else about him?

We have the Pinkerton letter, the BBC letter, and he probably was in touch with V. Lincoln and we know he was in touch with Lil’ Abby.
Maybe we should find him, or his papers?

Partial of posted letter on pg 3:

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Apr 24, 2024 6:54 pm

I had wondered in my earlier post (above this one) if Mr. Plourde had written letters to the LBQ.
My memory was pretty good for “Plourde” but the search at our online annotated LBQ at our website LABVM&L resulted in a different “Plourde.”

https://lizzieandrewborden.com/bibliogr ... author.htm

Plourde, Rosemary. “Letter to the Editor.” Lizzie Borden Quarterly II.1 (January 1994): 4.
Plourde offers her idea for consideration that perhaps Andrew had murdered his first wife, Sarah Borden, and that Lizzie and Emma may had discovered something incriminating during the daylight robbery, and had plotted to murder the father and step-mother as a way to not only avenge their mother’s murder, but to inherit the money that was due them.

Plourde, Rosemary. “Letter to the Editor.” Lizzie Borden Quarterly II.3 (Summer 1994): 2.
Letter in support of Arnold Brown’s lengthy response to Howard Brody and his “15 Questions” posed to Brown in his review of Brown’s book. Plourde appeals to the Quarterly to allow Brown the opportunity to respond in detail to the charges and questions leveled at him.

— BTW: Stef and I saw some of these letters Brown sent to the LBQ. Mr. Bertolet, Editor, said he stopped opening them. (He was a peaceful man.

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