On August 8th, the Evening Standard printed an interview with "Perhaps the most intimate friend the family has had ... " and this was among what was stated:
"The search has been made and nothing was discovered. They found a slight spot on Miss Lizzie's dress, I believe, which made its first appearance in Edinburgh."
No mention of who this "intimate friend of the family" is.
I've never heard the reference to Edinburgh before. The only Edinburgh I know is in Scotland and Lizzie's trip was 2 years earlier so I am assuming it refers to the dress making it's first appearance not the spot.
I'm not too familar with the dress that had the blood spot. Could this be a dress from Edinburgh?
That spot on the dress
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I had never heard anything about Edinburgh in relation to that dress, but I have always wondered about the description of the spot (either from the police investigation report, the inquest, or the court testimony). The police (or the doctor) stated that the spot was the size of a pin head and originated "from without." I had thought that possibly it could be the relic of a tiny blood spatter that Lizzie missed.
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it wasn't a dress that had the blood spot. that was a slip. it was described as a pinhead that hit the outside of the slip. nothing was made over it -- it seemed likely menstrual blood (not from the wearing of anything inward but from a drip outward).
the dress she gave them wasn't what she wore anyway. the semi-silk had a "smooch" or "smudge" that was determined NOT blood.
the dress she gave them wasn't what she wore anyway. the semi-silk had a "smooch" or "smudge" that was determined NOT blood.
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I think that might be the secret which unlocks this conundrum.
It is probably the Bengaline silk the friend is referring to and that would be worn in public. That did turn out to have a smooch at the pocket of the skirt.
I went ahead and read a bit more of that item and it sounds like a man wrote it. It talks about going out the day of the murder and gathering info and coming back in-
it's John Morse or Alice (but she said she left about 6 I think and came back), or Mrs. Holmes or? Maybe it was Alice.
Did Lizzie go to Scotland on her world tour?
It is probably the Bengaline silk the friend is referring to and that would be worn in public. That did turn out to have a smooch at the pocket of the skirt.
I went ahead and read a bit more of that item and it sounds like a man wrote it. It talks about going out the day of the murder and gathering info and coming back in-
it's John Morse or Alice (but she said she left about 6 I think and came back), or Mrs. Holmes or? Maybe it was Alice.
Did Lizzie go to Scotland on her world tour?
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Lizzie said it might be from a flea bite.
The minute blood drop was on the white underdress.
The question was a mistake when Knowlton alluded to the outer skirt.
Q. Have you said it came from flea bites?
A. On the petticoats I said there was a flea bite. I said it might have been. You siad [sic] you meant the dress skirt.
Q. I did. Have you offered any explanation how that came there?
A. I told those men that were at the house that I had had fleas; that is all.
Q. Did you offer that as an explanation?
A. I said that was the only explanation that I knew of.
Q. Assuming that the blood came from the outside, can you give any explanation of how it came there?
A. No, sir.
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Just curious: why is this resurrected after 3 1/2 years? Any particular reason?
The minute blood drop was on the white underdress.
The question was a mistake when Knowlton alluded to the outer skirt.
Q. Have you said it came from flea bites?
A. On the petticoats I said there was a flea bite. I said it might have been. You siad [sic] you meant the dress skirt.
Q. I did. Have you offered any explanation how that came there?
A. I told those men that were at the house that I had had fleas; that is all.
Q. Did you offer that as an explanation?
A. I said that was the only explanation that I knew of.
Q. Assuming that the blood came from the outside, can you give any explanation of how it came there?
A. No, sir.
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Just curious: why is this resurrected after 3 1/2 years? Any particular reason?
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I looked and found Sullivan was using his version of testimony about the blood spot page 126.Fargo @ Tue Jan 15, 2008 10:50 am wrote:Robert Sullivan's book goodbye Lizzie Borden mentions the spot of blood on the dress.
Sulivan also mentions how it was on the outside of the dress. Important to a claim of a monthly illness. I would have to check for the page references.
Then on page 166 there seems to be mention of it again as opinion.