Heyy. I'm Ashley, a new member to this forum. Yeah, I'm only 13 and I'm in eight grade. But...I promise that I'm not like, super immature or anything. I joined because in my civics class, we're studying this trial in great detail. We're even going to do our own version of the it with some students playing the witnesses or relatives (and of course there's someone playing Lizzie), others have been chosen as lawyers. There's even a judge and baliff.
I've been chosen as the leading defense lawyer. It's the perfect position for me; I'm very good at convincing or persuading people, I don't get nervous, and I'm rather loud and stubborn...and it's going to be loads of fun. It's just a little frustrating trying to defend someone with so much circumstancial evidence against her.
I've already got a good version of my opening statement together but I was curious if anybody here had some suggestions for arguments that I might be able to present.
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Welcome to the forum, Ashley.
Have you tried the arguement that Lizzie was well brought up young lady from a well - to - family, so she couldn't possibly have done this. She also went to church and was a Sunday school teacher and was an active member in the local temperance movement. How could someone who went to church and taught Sunday school and was a part of the temperance movement do this awful crime?
Also what might help you too is surf this website. There is a crime library and you can read some articles that would help. And go to the library and get the Lizzie borden Sourcebook. It has all the newspaper articles that were written at the time.
Have you tried the arguement that Lizzie was well brought up young lady from a well - to - family, so she couldn't possibly have done this. She also went to church and was a Sunday school teacher and was an active member in the local temperance movement. How could someone who went to church and taught Sunday school and was a part of the temperance movement do this awful crime?
Also what might help you too is surf this website. There is a crime library and you can read some articles that would help. And go to the library and get the Lizzie borden Sourcebook. It has all the newspaper articles that were written at the time.
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These may help you a bit Ashley:
http://lizzieandrewborden.com/
http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com/LizzieABorden.htm
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http://lizzieandrewborden.com/
http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com/LizzieABorden.htm
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Hi!
As her defense- You don't have to prove Lizzie didn't do it- you only have to show reasonable doubt.
For me, on a jury, if someone kept setting up a scenario and describing that and then saying Lizzie could not fit into that scenario- that might make me place Lizzie into that scene in my imagination and then it's hard for me to forget her in that scene.
That's just my opinion.
I think it might be better to not create the scene with Lizzie in it at all. Keep her away from the scene and off elsewhere innocently in the barn or wherever.
As her defense- You don't have to prove Lizzie didn't do it- you only have to show reasonable doubt.
For me, on a jury, if someone kept setting up a scenario and describing that and then saying Lizzie could not fit into that scenario- that might make me place Lizzie into that scene in my imagination and then it's hard for me to forget her in that scene.
That's just my opinion.
I think it might be better to not create the scene with Lizzie in it at all. Keep her away from the scene and off elsewhere innocently in the barn or wherever.
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You are right about one thing, if she did do this, there would be blood all over the place, and she would not have time to clean up from head to toe, plus clean the scene up.
But there is one hole in that-- the maid. She and the maid were the only other two in the house at the time of the murders. Noone else came in the house until Lizzie told Bridget to go get someone. Between the two of them they very well could have at least cleaned up Lizzie and changed her clothes. And there was a dress that was burned and she said that it had red paint on it. Might want to revise that part so the prosecution doesnt poke the same hole that I just did in it.
But there is one hole in that-- the maid. She and the maid were the only other two in the house at the time of the murders. Noone else came in the house until Lizzie told Bridget to go get someone. Between the two of them they very well could have at least cleaned up Lizzie and changed her clothes. And there was a dress that was burned and she said that it had red paint on it. Might want to revise that part so the prosecution doesnt poke the same hole that I just did in it.
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Snookums arguments have holes in them big enough to drive a horse drawn trolley through! There was clearly another person in the house that day. He was the murderer. Lizzies dress was never ever described as being stained with "red" paint. It was simply a stained old dress. There was no collusion between Lizzie Andrew Borden, society girl and daughter of A.J. Borden, one of Fall Rivers finest citizens and a lowly Irish Maggie! How preposterous. What is next Snookums, was Dr. Seabury Bowen colluding with a Portuguese! Absurd! Ashly my dear, the Bordens were murdered by Lizzie's half brother, the unrecognized son William "Billy" Borden of East Taunton,a former asylum inmate at Taunton State. Billy's existence was never brought up in the actual trial, except for the wonderfully revealing exchange between the Prosecutor Knowlton and Lizzie at the Inquest::
K:"How many children has your father?" L:"Only two." K:"Only you two?" L:"Yes, sir." K:"Any others, ever?" L: "One that died."
You see Knowlton knew the secret back story that was NOT to be revealed, and this exchange shows him toying with Miss Lizzie, letting her know that HE knew more. If the trial were held today, Billy would be produced and the case would be an even bigger sensation. Simply suggesting another perpertrator would be enough to satisfy the "reasonable doubt" requirement and Lizzie would be found Not Guilty of Murder...accesory however is another thing altogether!
If you have an interest in this case beyond your school project, seek out "Lizzie Borden The Legend, the Truth, the Final Chapter" by Arnold R. Brown Dell Publishing ISBN: 0-440-21315-0.
Best wishes!
K:"How many children has your father?" L:"Only two." K:"Only you two?" L:"Yes, sir." K:"Any others, ever?" L: "One that died."
You see Knowlton knew the secret back story that was NOT to be revealed, and this exchange shows him toying with Miss Lizzie, letting her know that HE knew more. If the trial were held today, Billy would be produced and the case would be an even bigger sensation. Simply suggesting another perpertrator would be enough to satisfy the "reasonable doubt" requirement and Lizzie would be found Not Guilty of Murder...accesory however is another thing altogether!
If you have an interest in this case beyond your school project, seek out "Lizzie Borden The Legend, the Truth, the Final Chapter" by Arnold R. Brown Dell Publishing ISBN: 0-440-21315-0.
Best wishes!