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Found this is the archivies and thought it was so cute, and it got me to wondering if lizzie ever tried these remedies. Posted by Kimberly Oct2, 2003,

"I found my Victorian medical reference booklet, it is for so clalled "Vin-o-Vita" on the Wine of LIfe it is ' The great Female Regulator and it will help the assorted aches and pains of childbirth and preganccy (childbirth made easy!). It is also good for hystereics, nerivous prostation, and for young girls it can be used in establishing menses. They also sell Dr. Granges sarsapallia and an opuim free soothing syrup for teething baby and lets not forget the hog cholera Remedy"

Is there a way I could a booklet like that? I'd love to see what was being used back then and the remedies they had. Wonder if lizzie use any of the rememdies for hysteria. I know she was kind of upset after discovering her fathers body. I wonder if the doctor gave her any of those remedies!!LOL
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Hog cholera was a very serious disease, it could wipe out your livestock in a few days. Great losses, not to mention no sausages or ham or pork chops.

Finally, somebody found a way to inoculate against this disease. Paul de Kruif's book "Hunger Fighters" tells about this and more.

Most of the medicine of that day is long obsolete. Like calomel, the wonder cure-all in the 19th century. Don't try it at home!!!
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Yes, but it would fun to read some of there cure-alls of the day. Time to go surfing on the net to find some info!!
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Here are some pages at the LABVM/L website:
http://www.lizzieandrewborden.com/Galle ... y1890s.htm
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thanks Kat.
Thought it was neat to look at what Sears and Roebuck had . Especially loved the little liver pills! I wish there was a way I could get a facsmile (copy) of the catelog for that time!
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Ebay has at least three listings for Sears catalogues, repros of the 1897 edition. One is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... egory=2228

There's a second version (one big mother of a hardback) listed at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... tegory=378

The third listing is at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... ory=118259
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Thanks Doug-Oh!
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Thanks Doug. I might have to check this out. I would love to get a sears catalog from 1897.
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snokkums @ Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:53 pm wrote::shock:

Found this is the archivies and thought it was so cute, and it got me to wondering if lizzie ever tried these remedies. Posted by Kimberly Oct2, 2003, Wonder if lizzie use any of the rememdies for hysteria. I know she was kind of upset after discovering her fathers body. I wonder if the doctor gave her any of those remedies!!LOL
First of all....hello!

This is something that has always made me wonder about Lizzie. This is from the witness statements of Harrington and Doherty:

"During this conversation with Lizzie, I cautioned her about what she might say at the present time. I said owing to the atrociousness of the crime, perhaps you are not in a mental condition to give as clear a statement of the facts as you will be tomorrow; and also by that time you may be able to tell more about the man who wished to hire the store. You may recollect of having heard his name, or of seeing him, and thereby be enabled to give a description of him, or may recollect of something said about him by your father; so I say it may be better for you not to submit to an interview until tomorrow, when you may be better able to recite what you know of the circumstances.” To this she replied “no, I think I can tell you all I know now, just as well as at any other time.” This conversation took place in Lizzie’s room, on the second floor, in the presence of Miss Alice Russell, who sat in a chair by the door which leads to the front hall, by which I entered Lizzie’s room. Miss Russell was very pale, and much agitated, which she showed by short sharp breathing and wringing her hands. She spoke not a word. Lizzie stood by the foot of the bed, and talked in the most calm and collected manner; her whole bearing was most remarkable under the circumstances. There was not the least indication of agitation, no sign of sorrow or grief, no lamentation of the heart, no comment on the horror of the crime, and no expression of a wish that the criminal be caught. All this, and something that, to me, is indescribable, gave birth to a thought that was most revolting. I thought, at least, she knew more thI then went to the Borden barn, where the Marshal gave orders to several officers to search the barn thoroughly, and took part in the work down stairs. It was at this time I made known my suspicions of Miss Lizzie. To the Marshal I said “I dont like that girl”. He said “what is that?” I repeated, and further said “under the circumstances she does not act in a manner to suit me; it is strange, to say the least.”

Now, if Lizzie needed these home remedies to calm herself down, (speculating this all, of course) when did she have time to take them? AND....if she was so upset by the brutal murder of her father (we'll leave out Abby--we all know Lizzie couldn't stand her) why did she send Bridget to get a doctor? Why would she stay in a house with 2 corpses? If she was innocent, why didn't she go for the police? A quote from Mrs Churchill:

"Mrs. Churchill No. 90 Second street. “Eleven o’clock is the nearest I can fix the time. Returned from market, saw Miss Lizzie at rear door. I thought she looked somewhat strange, asked her what was the matter. She replied, father has been killed. Please come over. I immediately complied. When I reached her I said O, Lizzie, Lizzie, where is your mother? She said, I dont know.”

These few things confound me. can anyone shed some light on these? (Or just theories...)
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HI!
Well, Harrington knew Lizzie. He had worked for her father Andrew a long time ago.

Here is a bit of background on Harrington:
That same year [1879] Alice Russell (whose father had died in 1878) moved in with her mother [next door to the Bordens]. Eleven years later, her mother moved out (1890), and the next year Alice also moved - around the corner to Borden street, occupying a small house Police Officer Philip Harrington had just vacated. (Perhaps my reader is aware of how soon Harrington, who had gone to high school with Lizzie, was convinced of her guilt - and how he worked to persuade others).--Terence Duniho at:
http://lizzieandrewborden.com/NewResearch/Swift.htm

This doesn't respond to the self-medicating question. But it shows Harrington may have had an ulterior motive, or he could very well have known Lizzie better than most of the men there that day.
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Is officer Harrington and Hiram Harrington related?
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Kat @ Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:52 am wrote:HI!
Well, Harrington knew Lizzie. He had worked for her father Andrew a long time ago.

Here is a bit of background on Harrington:
That same year [1879] Alice Russell (whose father had died in 1878) moved in with her mother [next door to the Bordens]. Eleven years later, her mother moved out (1890), and the next year Alice also moved - around the corner to Borden street, occupying a small house Police Officer Philip Harrington had just vacated. (Perhaps my reader is aware of how soon Harrington, who had gone to high school with Lizzie, was convinced of her guilt - and how he worked to persuade others).--Terence Duniho at:
http://lizzieandrewborden.com/NewResearch/Swift.htm
Hmm....that is very interesting. What about this....
"Hiram Harrington. “When the perpetrator of this foul deed is found, it will be one of the household. I had a long talk with Lizzie yesterday, Thursday, the day of the murder, and I am not at all satisfied with statement or demeanor. She was too solicitous about his comfort, and showed a side of character I never knew or even suspected her to possess."

Like the previous poster asked....were Officer Harrington and Hiram Harrington related in any way? Was Hiram Harrington also biased against Lizzie?
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I don't think they were related. You can check the link to the "Swift" article to see if Terence elaborates.

Also, to read what Hiram had to say on oath, you can download and read his inquest testimony free, from this page at the website:
http://lizzieandrewborden.com/Resources ... uments.htm

Ter also wrote an article in the LBQ about Philip Harrington and Joseph Carpenter:
Duniho, Terence. "Friends From Boyhood: A Police Officer and an Embezzler." Lizzie Borden Quarterly VIII.3 (July 2001): 7, 17-20.
Duniho follows the trail of Joseph W. Carpenter, Jr., an employee of Andrew J. Borden who had embezzled $6,700 from Borden & Almy as a possible suspect in the murder of Andrew and Abby Borden.


In my copy of Hoffman I made notes that Ter sent Stefani and myself to add to our copy. It says:
"Lived at 33 Borden Street from 1886-1890, when Alice Russell moved in. Probably grew up at 71 Third Street, a stone's throw from 92 Second St. His father was there at 71 Third Street, in 1876, and his widowed mother was still there in 1882."--Ter e-mail. He shared this info with Dr. Hoffman, I understand.

Philip Harrington died in 1893, "unexpectedly" according to Hoffman's book Yesterday in Old Fall River. This is a book that is like a dictionary of names of characters in the case. It has some errors but I use it as a handy quick reference.
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Drugs like cocain, morphine, and opium were all legal to buy. Same for arsenic (required a signature?).
Florence Maybrick's older husband used this to improve his potency. No Viagra in those days.
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Trish & Bobbie, let us know what you find out about the 2 Harringtons' opinions as to Lizzie?
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I just read Hiram Harrington's testimony. It seems that he was impartial. I mean, he didn't make any comments about her personality "per se". I found it interesting about how he remarked on her opinion of her stepmother. Was this brought under the microscope in the triel?? (I don't feel like reading it all right now) :)
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I don't think Hiram was called to testify at the preliminary hearing or trial. All we have of him would be the inquest and the newspapers.* He mostly was questioned about the family relationship, I think? He is much more reticent on the stand than he was portrayed in the newspaper!
I think it's odd.

Anyway, he was the only person actually named by Lizzie as one who did not get along with Andrew, that we know of.

* Edit here-
Oh and the Witness Statements, page 11:
Hiram Harrington. “When the perpetrator of this foul deed is found, it will be one of the household. I had a long talk with Lizzie yesterday, Thursday, the day of the murder, and I am not at all satisfied with statement or demeanor. She was too solicitous about his comfort, and showed a side of character I never knew or even suspected her to possess. She helped him off with one coat and on with another, and assisted him in an easy incline on the sofa, and desired to place a afghan over him, and also to adjust the shutters so the light would not disturb his slumber. This is something she could not do, even if she felt; and no one who knows her, could be made believe it. She is very strong willed, and will fight for what she considers her rights. She went to the barn, where she stayed twenty minutes, or half an hour, looking for some lead from which to make sinkers for fishing lines, as she was going to Marion next week.” He spoke about the Ferry street estate being given to the girls, and afterwards being returned. He spoke at some length about her telling about the same story as was published in the News and Globe of Friday evening.

(Doherty & Harrington)

--Statement taken sometime between Saturday and Monday?
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Hiram really didn't give a rat's keister for either Andrew or Lizzie though, did he?
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TrishF @ Fri Mar 09, 2007 11:29 pm wrote:I just read Hiram Harrington's testimony. It seems that he was impartial. I mean, he didn't make any comments about her personality "per se". I found it interesting about how he remarked on her opinion of her stepmother. Was this brought under the microscope in the triel?? (I don't feel like reading it all right now) :)
Arnold Brown and David Kent both remarked how much was written about Harrington's very short visit. Creative writing?

I understand that Harrington's job as a stable owner was a 'low class' status compared to the bankers and shippers and manufactureres on the Hill of FR. But his wife got along w/ her nieces (as I remember it).
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Sometimes short testimonies tell a lot. People can be long-winded and never reallly say anything.

And just as a curiosity, what does Harrington's occupation have anything to do with it?? (no offense, just a quesion)
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I thought Harrington was a blacksmith?
I was asking around and figured he could make a hatchet, but maybe not keys.
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In the 1892 City Directory Hiram Harrington was listed as "Blacksmith" working at 30 Fourth Street, and living at 12 Turner Street.

In 1896, after the numbers changed, he is listed as Blacksmith at 76 Fourth Street and had moved to 266 Franklin Street.

In the census of 1870, Hiram Harrington is listed as 41, MW Blacksmith, Real Estate worth $4,000 and Personal Estate worth $500, born in R.I., wife Lurana, age 43, FW, Keeping House, born in MA.
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Hiram Harrington's obit says he was a "well-known" blacksmith, was of the organization Knights Templar, and had been a high priest of Masons.

There ya' go, Ray! Have fun! I bet your head is spinning with possibilites! :smile:
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Is Hiram's obit published in Len Rebello's book? I've forgotten offhand. If it is, that I've got to read! :wink:
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Obits are hard to come by. I don't think it's in Rebello, that I recall. That doesn't mean he doesn't have it tho.
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Well, in any case I'll have to hunt that up. Oh...did you meant to say - or did the obit say - "High Priest of Masons" or perhaps High Priest, Royal Arch Masons...etc.? :wink:
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