Anna Nicole- Murder, Accident or Suicide?

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 12:40 am

Can't seem to find a thread on this hot topic anywhere yet and I must confess I have been watching it all unfold- mezmerized. There's just something about Howard Stern that does not ring true. He fails to look the reporter in the eyes when he answers questions. It is fascinating to listen to the lawyers wrangle over when and where the body shall be buried. I am glad more DNA was taken today, but it's time to bury her. This is almost as bad as the Bordens in that holding tomb for another week.

I want to know if Danny died 5 months ago- what was Methadone doing in Anna's bedroom refrigerator NOW? I think the toxicology reports will prove very revealing. And I want to know why old Howard is so reluctant to take a paternity test, why Anna was in the nude alone at 1:30 in the afternoon, why the nurse and bodyguard did not administer CPR immediately , how Howard can claim anything as he is not the legal husband and did he keep her dependent on drugs so he could have influence over her actions? I think this one will make the Borden case look tame when all finally comes out. Stern is the "Uncle John Morse" at the moment- fishy.

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 9:09 am

I have always thought that Stern was a pretty slimy character from the start. I am so worried about that poor child. I cannot help but think she will be next.

RayS · Post by **RayS** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:52 pm

Angel @ Fri Feb 16, 2007 10:09 am wrote:I have always thought that Stern was a pretty slimy character from the start. I am so worried about that poor child. I cannot help but think she will be next.

You are talking about someone who is a lawyer, and you never met in person. Tabloid news is not always reliable.

I did see Vicky Lynn's mom on TV. She had warned her earlier about things.
Methadone!!! Who prescribed that??? There is some scandal here, but in a 3rd world country things can be covered up for cash. Unlike Los Angeles?

How did Anna Nicole get her residence permit? Etc. If she hadn't died, the multiple fathers would be a big joke. (I'm sure it wasn't Michael Jackson.)

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 1:56 pm

click

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 5:25 pm

Well, I have been glued to court TV today and what a twist with Anna deliberately leaving out ALL future children and family and leaving only Daniel everything. I cannot believe she had a clue as to what she was signing at the time, nor that she had the legal expertise to have ever drafted such a thing. Now Howard has to be in the Florida court Tuesday- and yet another man is throwing his hat into the ring as a possible father. The legal fall out from all of this is what has my attention. Howard now is willing to step down as executor- a smart move on his part in the long term. And so the wrangling begins in the Florida court, the California Court where the will was made and maybe even Bahamanian law will have an influence. Hot stuff! Should be fascinating to see how all this legal stuff is untangled as Anna's sole beneficiary is dead.

bobarth · Post by **bobarth** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 6:25 pm

I am going to go with murder, Howard Stern (The Lawyer) involved deeply. Two young people both die with drug overdoses and Stern is involved in both deaths.
There are also pictures of her in bed with a Bahamanian official which the gossip blogs are saying is how she got residence there so quickly.

Yup this is going to be a dandy!!!

Smudgeman · Post by **Smudgeman** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 7:17 pm

I guess the jury is out, until we find out who the father is? I do feel sorry for the baby involved, she could be instantly rich or have nothing at all. Not to mention, her mother and half brother are dead. Very sad.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Fri Feb 16, 2007 11:14 pm

Oh, I believe Stern flushed that Methadone down the loo in the hospital when Danny died. And he had to know that Anna was full of meds too. I believe he thought up this will- wording and all. If she was so ill why did he not insist she go to the hospital- fever of 105- come on! If she was so sick where was HE the day she died? He was having fun in the casino.

Now he just made a cool million selling his exclusive to Mark Stinnes on Entertainment Tonight - and I have lost all respect for that show finally. He has been living off Anna for 10 years- she was his golden goose. My money is on Stern too- he just does not come across as truly devastated and sincere (does THAT sound familiar?)- I guess now he will say "The eyes that don't cry are the saddest". Maybe he will name the new Bahama mansion Drugcroft.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:19 pm

Yes we did have a topic going pretty soon after the announcement, called "Ms. Smith":
viewtopic.php?t=2611

We were then talking about other blonde bombshells there, later. Interesting about Jayne Mansfield.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Sat Feb 17, 2007 8:15 pm

Aha- missed that! Mamie Van Doren- who still looks pretty good for her age and is I guess the last of the blonde bombshells has a tribute to Anna on her website
http://www.mamievandoren.com/

Anna's girlfriend Julie Hatten came right out on TV tonight and accused Stern of murder. Her brother- also a Daddy possibility, is in prison doing 7 years for stalking Anna and being a menace- naturally his sister denies it all. Can it get any crazier?

bobarth · Post by **bobarth** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:22 am

Shane Gibson, the Bahamas' immigration minister who was photographed in some rather intimate poses with Anna Nicole Smith, was forced to resign yesterday after speculation loomed that he had given Smith preferential treatment in gaining residency.

Also her fridge was loaded with Slim-Fast when she died and she was the Trim-Spa spokeswoman.

Some legacy!!!!

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 2:37 pm

The court case heats up again tomorrow and promises to be a hot bed of mudslinging from both sides with Howard Stern being requested to appear. In any event, the issue of where the body is to be buried should be resolved. Now if only James Brown could get a decent burial- another case of family squabbling over the dead.

Smudgeman · Post by **Smudgeman** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 6:56 pm

Has anyone else seen the video that is all over the internet now? The one that Howard Stern took with Anna Nicole in clown make-up, pregnant, and obviously stoned? This guy is creepy I think. He was definitely an enabler, but now he claims he isn't after any money. Can't wait to find out who the real father is?

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:24 pm

Yes I saw that tape and watched a lot of today's court coverage on Court TV- that judge is a piece of work-wacky! What I found interesting is that Stern put his foot in his mouth when he told the judge " I have seen her more impaired than in that video"- then the judge jumped all over him as he had been asking if Anna was frequently unable to function. Stern tried to do damage control but it was too late- he came off looking like an enabler and a heartless, money-grubbing opportunist.

No, Stern is a Creeposarus Rex and evaded the really difficult questions . I noticed he constantly hid his face in his styrofoam water glass and nervously kept refilling it with water from the jug. He has something to hide you can be sure. Too bad HE didn't have a fan to hide behind.

I can't wait to see that toxicology test!

doug65oh · Post by **doug65oh** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:46 am

I enjoy watching the judge, but it’s hard not to think at times that he’s way out of his element in this instance – and to be fair about it I suspect any judge would seem that way. The whole thing just screams “Circus” to the point where you might expect to see a Barnum & Bailey elephant wagon parked out front. Stern is coming off as nothing but a j-o-k-e at best, if not other things far worse. What caught my eye in today’s proceeding – I understood Stern to say under oath that he was with Anna Nicole Smith at all times for about four days leading up to her decease. If that was true, where was he on the fated day? Someone had to call him on a cel phone was it? I don’t recall hearing that he was at the hotel when things blew up.

And I have to say that while tolerance might be a fine thing, the judge went a bit overboard in permitting some of the crosstalk between Stern and opposing counsel. I found myself wishing that Judy Sheindlin was presiding, as she’d have chewed Stern and everyone else out but good – most likely to the tune of

”Mr. Stern – hold it, stop right there! I appreciate your position and the fact that you’re here with us today. However we do need to get one thing straight: You are called as a witness in this matter and as such have no business doing the back and forth penny ante gabbing, trading pot shots with opposing counsel. Please be more concerned with your own testimony than with whether opposing counsel is smiling or not. Opposing counsel, take notice.

This may well be a circus, but I have news for you folks: I’m the ring-master and the one who calls the shots, not you. One more set of remarks like that and I start issuing contempt citations – are we absolutely clear?

This is a court proceeding – informal perhaps, but nonetheless a court proceeding. The kindergarten is four blocks down. Now let’s move on…”

It’s too far gone at this point for anything like that but…I do like the thought!

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 10:34 am

The nurse was on Entertainment Tonight last night saying that Anna was dead when she found her, pills on the nightstand and her husband, the body guard scooped Anna up and put her on the floor to work over the body on a hard surface- with no results. Yes, Stern was in the casino and had to be summoned. NOW the hot topic is that will- a fax sheet from the attorney's office with the date of Feb 3rd- 5 days before Anna died - was found with a copy of the will sent to the Bahama mansion. So now everyone wants to know why did Stern need the will 5 days before going to Florida. Naturally he denies everything. The plot thickens...

theebmonique · Post by **theebmonique** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:38 am

Maybe there is the framework for a new soap opera here.......As Anna's World Sterns.

Tracy...

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:14 pm

Just turned on this circus and couldn't believe my ears. If the Taunton Insane Asylum was still open this "judge" would be a perfect candidate for admission.

He interrupts every question and every answer and rambles on and on. If he had been a judge on the Borden case the trial would still be going on.

The only lawyer that makes any sense at all is the young lady who periodically gets up and requests the ordering of DNA tests. How could there ever be a resolution to even a portion of this mess without knowing who the father is?

As for Anna's burial, give the poor woman some respect and bury her next to her son. She can always be exhumed and reburied later if necessary.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:33 pm

Yes, I believe the only sane attorney is the dark-haired woman for Birkhead. She repeatedly tries to make some order out of the showboat judge. I have never heard so many off the cuff remarks, chitchat and banter relating to nothing among those present in court in my life. NO decorum or respect for the court. The judge wants his own TV show- and it is abundantly apparent.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 12:39 pm

But on a happy note- Taunton State Hospital is still in business http://www.kirkbridebuildings.com/build ... unton.html

Sadly many of the buildings are vacant after the fire. http://www.rootsweb.com/~asylums/taunton_ma/index.html
So maybe there will be a room for the judge!

nishmat · Post by **nishmat** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:47 pm

Anna Nicole- Murder, Accident or Suicide?

No, the American Dream.

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Wed Feb 28, 2007 11:13 pm

nishmat @ Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:47 am wrote:
Anna Nicole- Murder, Accident or Suicide?
No, the American Dream.

I think you have a good point there, Nishmat.

I feel it was just the pursuit of fame and the usual pitfalls, like drugs and wild living, that finally caught up with Anna. I think her body just turned out the lights. The party was over. It had enough.

-1bigsteve (o:

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:55 am

The medical examiner was on late night news and the decision to have an open viewing will be made tonight when the body reaches the Bahamas. He answered some pretty grisly details from Larry Rose-I was a little surprised at the level of inquisitiveness exhibited by Mr. Rose. The Dr. said she was in 40 degree preservation, but the week of waiting for the embalming must have taken a toll. Her favorite designer has made her a special evening gown for burial. I would not want to be the one to have to put it on her.

There was a closeup of a big backhoe opening the grave next to her son's so it looks like the funeral will be a go Friday at 10 a.m. Howard Stern said Anna wished to be in an above ground mausoleum but there were none to hold four caskets. He also added Anna was concerned for the body of Daniel- that the grave would be sealed and impervious to anything underground. It made me think of the ground-penetrating sonar used by Prof. Starrs on the Borden graves. Abby and Andrew are buried in those old European type coffins- top wider than bottom- (no wood wasted). Andrew's has caved in on the flat top, Abby's (as of 1992) was still intact, but neither theirs or Sarah's and Alice's has the inner grave vaults which Emma and Lizzie have. Prior to 1800's grave excavations were lined with brick before the interment- this is what I think Lizzie meant by "bricked over" in reference to her grave.

Like everything else, there are new products even better than two-piece lid and bottom box concrete or asphalt liners. Here's a link which traces the history of vault liners.
http://www.wilbertonline.com/about/history/lined/
This is a good diagram of what underground lined and unlined, vault and plain unprotected casket look like. Makes me want to be cremated!
http://www.wilbertonline.com/store/inde ... MENT_ID=34

Poor Anna- I am glad she is finally getting some rest tomorrow. Now the argument is ongoing about public or private funeral and whether or not footage should be sold. It never ends...

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:08 am

Monday Dr. Phil had on the guy from Entertainment Tonight, who had been hanging out with Ms. Smith in the times in the Bahamas leading up to her death. - (Oh Pat O'Brian- I recall his name now). There was also the head of Slim Fast who had been a very good friend of hers. There was someone else close- was it the bodyguard and wife, via satellite?

Anyway, the inside story I overheard there (I wasn't paying a lot of attention) was that Ms. Smith did what she wanted to do and it sounds like she alkways had a plan of some sort. What I'm getting at is since she seemed to be in control of what she did do, what would be her motivation to get pregnant at (around) age 36 especially after she had lost a lot of weight? And why would she pick That Guy? The Larry guy. The Kato Kalin looking fellow. He's not rich or smart. Did she want his genes? Did she decide on a blond blue eyed baby? if so, there seems to be plenty of men with those attributes she could conceive with, who were rich, smart, and good looking.

As far as I can tell, this boyfriend looks like her son! Especially in profile.
Her son was just 21 or so? Maybe she needed a boyfriend who looked like Daniel because the baby might just have come looking like him and that is the cover-up?
I only entertain this wild idea because of all the photos of them together and reports of how close they were, mother and son. Also it was explained that Ms. Smith spent her non-working time in bed. That visitors sat on her bed with her or near it. No use for couches or chairs - reminds me a bit of Elizabeh Taylor- but I believe Ms. Taylor held audience in her bedroom due to being confined to bed because of her long-time back problems.

Anyway, if the child was conceived with Ms. Smith's deceased husband's preserved sperm, I think she would not have kept that secret- nor would she have been able to if she wanted.

I'm trying to figure her motivation for the pregnancy and for picking that guy.

Also Lupus was mentioned as contibuting to cause of death. This time it was the witness who she told it to- that she had a blood disorder and named Lupus to this individual. Dr. Phil said they were not the same.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:07 am

Mark Stinnes is the Entertainment Tonight guy who got all those special interview exclusives. The medical examiner is giving a press conference on Friday to announce cause of death. Dr. Perper has said it is a complicated case. Many have speculated it may be viral pneumonia complicated by several prescription drugs which may have contributed.

The ugliest rumor flying about now is that her son Danny is the father of Dannielynn and that he purposely overdosed when he saw the baby. I can't believe this one! Talk about Oedipus Complex! I think Entertainment Tonight has really lowered themselves by dragging this funeral coverage out for nearly a week. Last night they showed Anna's mother shoveling 51 scoops of dirt from a bucket loader on the casket after a few of the men just could not do it. Then she walked over the grave on the way back to her car. I don't mind the coverage so much as the way they have packaged it- with music, sensationalism, cliffhangers to get you to tune in tomorrow to see the "dove release" , Howard's last comment, etc. Sleaze TV in my mind.
And they remind you every other sentence that they have the exclusive, only camera allowed in the tent, etc. etc. I am wondering how much they paid and who gets the money.

If the Bordens had been killed today I am imagining the TV coverage. I wonder if Lizzie would scoop 51 shovels of earth on Abby and stomp off over her grave?

I am waiting for that toxicology report- and I do hope the paternity issue is resolved soon. My money is on Larry Birkhead. Somebody should shoot Zsa Zsa's idiotic Prince husband. I could do it myself. What a creep.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:31 pm

Thank you so much for your input! I was hoping you would reply because you seem so well-informed about this Smith case.

I had no idea the son Daniel was suspected of being the baby's father! I had not heard or read any current news on the case except for Monday's Dr. Phil show. He did not go into that sort of speculation.

Well, the guy was Pat O'Brian, so maybe he is from Access Hollywood? I do not care for the man or his voice, but he was the one who was with Ms. Smith and was a guest on Dr. Phil.

I did not see the funeral either. But I did have to chuckle (hopefully a respectful chuckle) at the picture of Lizzie burying Abbie and "stomp[ing] off over her grave."

I agree about the Prince Zsa-Zsa.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:47 pm

Pat did spend 7 years at Access Hollywood and now works for The Insider- an Entertainment Tonight spin-off- and yes- he gives me the creeps too. He should have stuck to sports commentator duties.

The psychology of all this is the fascinating hook. Watching Anna's mother stalk out of the limo , late to her own daughter's funeral after delaying it by filing papers to stop it was an eyeful. She was booed by the crowds outside the church as was Howard Stern. All the attorneys were in high profile and I bet they all will get a bundle when it's over. The mother's side of the chapel was pretty empty, and watching her face during the funeral, as Howard made cracks about the "so-called family" produced some memorable responses from Anna's Momma. Graveside was her bodyguard (the only one who seems truly stricken and believable by all of this)who tried to thow a few shovelsful of dirt on the casket, then old Momma defiantly wielding that big shovel until she ran out of steam. You couldn't write this stuff.

Already over 2500 message are on Find -a -grave.com for Anna and her gravesite is the #1 tourist attraction in the Bahamas. Soon they may have to do what they have done in Oak Grove-paint black arrows on the street so visitors leave the staff alone and can find their own way to the Borden plot!

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 6:03 pm

Wow! You do have an imagination! And yes *they* "could write this stuff!" You could write this stuff- I think you could write anything on anything.

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:16 pm

Well, the verdict is in. Accidental over-dose.

It looks like they will now focus on her Son's death. Should'nt they have done that months ago?

Chapter two is coming...

-1bigsteve (o:

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:32 pm

Yes- 6 months after the fact is stretching it. Something must have looked suspicious in the end to make the Bahamanians call an inquest after all.
I wouldn't be surprised at all if Anna let Danny help himself to her bedside pharmacy- apparently she never realized how deadly all that stuff could be. Imagine swigging chloral hydrate right out of the bottle!
I still have to wonder just what old Howard flushed though- he may not be guilty of murder- but I would bet he tampered with the scene in the hospital room.

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 8:38 pm

It looks like one doctor supplied all of Anna's pills in the last few weeks of her life. It looks like he is in hot water. If he is guilty I hope they do more than yank just his license!

-1bigsteve (o:

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Fri Apr 06, 2007 9:01 pm

Actually it is the woman doc- Khristine, who is under investigation now. The California Medical Board is conducting a formal investigation into Dr. Khristine Eroshevich, Anna's psychiatrist who prescribed over 11 different drugs that Anna ended up taking.

Eleven drugs were found in the hotel room where Anna died, all prescribed by Eroshevich. Eight were prescribed to Howard K. Stern, including chloral hydrate, the drug that was the most direct cause of Anna's death.

This is the second doctor who is being investigated for prescribing practices involving Anna Nicole. The Board is also investigating Dr. Sandeep Kapoor, who prescribed methadone to Smith under an alias when she was eight months pregnant.

Last September, just five days after Daniel died, a document shows that Dr. Eroshevich sent Dr. Kapoor a prescription "wish list" for Anna, which included methadone, Soma, Dilaudid and Lorazepam. Kapoor has said he did not fill the prescriptions. This whole thing reminds me of of Elvis' death- doctors keeping him supplied with a smorgasbord of pills!

I hope Eroshevich loses her license-totally irresponsible, as were most people around Anna.

bobarth · Post by **bobarth** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:50 pm

Larry Birkhead is the baby's daddy!!!!

Just announced...

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 3:50 pm

Ooops.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 5:00 pm

I think it's possible that Howard knew this and that's why they ended up in another country.
He's a lawyer, right? He could know some British law and about birth certificates. He could have researched for info on this. A lot of the delay is because the baby was born in the Bahamas.

Then Anna could travel to the U.S. for any reason, but as long as the baby stayed in the Bahamas with his name on the birth certificate, he'd be all set, he thought. (IMO)

That baby always looked like Larry, or at least from a light-haired, light-eyed father.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:28 pm

Am so glad for Larry. Yes, Stern does not fool me with his theatrical statement he is staying in the Bahamas so Danny and Anna will not be left alone. He has to stay in the Bahamas, buy a house and become a resident if he has any chance of getting anything. He says he will not sue for custody but I bet he will hang in there to be executor of Anna's estate! I think he needs to go home and get a real job and stop sponging off his parents and give up chasing the bucks. But I bet he won't.

And of course, he has to stay around for the inquest which begins tomorrow again- he is a star witness and the only one left alive who was in that room when Daniel died. I do believe he flushed Methadone down the toilet. The heat is not off yet for Howard, and I think some dark things will emerge in the end.

1bigsteve · Post by **1bigsteve** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:08 pm

Well, we finally know who the father is. I hope he gives the little sweetie a good home.

-1bigsteve (o:

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 7:03 pm

Dr. Phil right now is going to take apart Ms. Smith's sister and that book she wrote: Train Wreck. CBS