Eighty Years Later

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 1:12 pm

Remembering Lizzie today. R.I.P.

I hope someone can get out to the cemetery with flowers today.

shakiboo · Post by **shakiboo** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:33 pm

I hope she found the peace that seemed to be denied her here.

bobarth · Post by **bobarth** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:32 pm

Rest in Peace Lizbeth of Maplecroft

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 5:54 pm

Virtual flowers! How wonderful! I have always loved the Find-a-Grave site where you can leave messages and flowers. Jeff, did you get out to the cemetery today?

bobarth · Post by **bobarth** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:09 pm

Being 1996 miles away, virtual flowers is the best I can do. Looks like someone put flowers on her grave though. Shelley did you do that?

Harry · Post by **Harry** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 6:27 pm

Alas, Find-A-Grave no longer allows virtual flowers on Lizzie's grave. They have this message:

"The Virtual Flowers feature has been turned off for this memorial because it was being continually misused."

Someone needs to make some corrections to the bio on this site. They have Nance living out her years with Lizzie. Mmmmmm.... I must have missed that part of Lizzie's life.

The Inquest was 3 days not 2.

And this classic: "She moved to "Maplecroft" a house in the "Highlands" portion of Fall River (a more upscale section of town) with her sister Emma and despite sharing the dwelling, Lizzie and Emma never spoke again.'

So from 1893 to 1905 they never spoke? Missed that too.

And 11 blows to Andrew? Try 10. Will they ever get that right?

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cg ... r&GRid=115

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Fri Jun 01, 2007 8:07 pm

Yes, I noticed that Harry and wrote corrections to the webmaster a long time ago when I submitted a photo. They are slow to get things corrected, but it is a nice site and must be hard to keep up. It is a shame that some of the famous entries to the site attract so many rude people with inappropriate messages- it ruins it for the other folks who like to drop in to say a few words and leave a token.

No Bobbie, I am not in Fall River this weekend. Haunted U is there and they don't need house tours at night-they have their own special tour! The flowers on her grave above are from August 4, 1992.

theebmonique · Post by **theebmonique** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:48 am

Rest in peace dear Lizbeth...

Tracy...

SteveS. · Post by **SteveS.** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 3:26 am

In memory of Miss. Lizbeth A. Borden
B: July 19, 1860 D: June 1, 1927

AND OLD-TIME FRIENDS & TWILIGHT PLAYS,
AND STARRY NIGHTS, AND SUNNY DAYS
COME TROOPING UP THE MISTY WAYS
WHEN MY FIRE BURNS LOW.

Fargo · Post by **Fargo** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 10:35 am

Rest Peacefully Lizbeth.

Of course there are people still alive today that can remember when Lizbeth was still with us, but considering how reclusive she was supposed to have been in her later years, I wonder if there is anyone still alive that can remember meeting her.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Sat Jun 02, 2007 12:02 pm

Yes, I hope Lizbeth of Maplecroft is, indeed, resting in peace. But I also hope that her parents, stepmother, sister, and other young sibling are resting in peace. Let's remember that Lizbeth, according to most scholars, was probably a murderer. (But, then again, that's just their opinions - and mine - because none of us no for sure.)

snokkums · Post by **snokkums** » Sun Jun 03, 2007 3:17 pm

Hope she is resting easy. She sure had a miserable life.

Constantine · Post by **Constantine** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 11:16 pm

I'm with Michael. I don't begrudge Lizzie (or anyone) peace, but my sympathy is more with Andrew and Abby.

Shelley · Post by **Shelley** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:22 am

That's a good point to make. The victims often get short shrift. Some people have even suggested Andrew had it coming to him! The 1975 Paramount film gives such an unsympathetic portrayal of Abby and Andrew, especially Abby- they seem unlovable and deserving of death.

And people seem to feel sorry for Lizzie, and want to justify her anger towards Abby and maybe her father too. Just look at all the emotions we went through recently with Howard K Stern, Larry Birkhead and Anna Nicole and her mother!

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 8:36 am

Well, no one should have that kind of ending. But I've always felt that Lizzie felt completely justified, or she would have acted more guilt ridden or eventually spilled her guts about the murder. In her eyes they did something bad enough to her to elicit such an extreme act and make her feel relieved enough to live out a relatively peaceful existence afterwards.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 3:52 pm

True. She might have "felt" completely justified, but does whatever happened justify murder? I doubt it.

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 4:07 pm

I'm not making a judgment- I'm just saying that it may be the way it seemed in her eyes.

Constantine · Post by **Constantine** » Tue Jun 05, 2007 6:30 pm

I agree that she felt justified. So, of course, did the 9/11 terrorists, Torquemada, Hitler, Stalin, Idi Amin, John Wilkes Booth, Lee Harvey Oswald, etc., etc., etc.

shakiboo · Post by **shakiboo** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 4:11 pm

Oh good point Constantine! I have never stopped to think how any of those people could be thinking, so, horrific, was what they did, it just seemed like mindless evil to me. Gives a whole new meaning to the word "justified", for me anyway. I guess what I mean is " justified " or not what they did was evil. Lizzie's was different, it was personel, she knew the people she ( if she did it) cold bloodedly murdered The other's had no idea of what or who, in any real personel way.

Constantine · Post by **Constantine** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 5:22 pm

This may seem irrelevant at first, but I'm reminded of Jan Morris's observation that "we are ruled by children." I remember some of the hare-brained logic of my thoughts as a kid and I shudder. We think of kids as innocent, but a lot of them would be monsters if they had the power to realize their thoughts. I guess it's largely a matter of luck that I had the proper upbringing to nip most of my evil in the bud and that I now have the "software" to monitor and override what's left of it.

Michael · Post by **Michael** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:12 pm

Angel, I didn't mean to imply that you feel Lizzie was justified (assuming she committed the crimes - which, let's face it, no one is 100% sure of - we weren't there). I understand your point that, in Lizzie's eyes, she (Lizzie) may have felt "justified". - This is the limitations of the written word, I suppose. Anyway, I apologize if I left the wrong impression.

Also, Constantine, point well made.

Interesting discussions here, huh?

: )

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:15 am

Michael @ Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:12 pm wrote:Angel, I didn't mean to imply that you feel Lizzie was justified (assuming she committed the crimes : )

Don't worry your sweet head about it, honey child. No offense taken.

Yooper · Post by **Yooper** » Sat Jun 09, 2007 9:32 am

Angel @ Tue Jun 05, 2007 7:36 am wrote:Well, no one should have that kind of ending. But I've always felt that Lizzie felt completely justified, or she would have acted more guilt ridden or eventually spilled her guts about the murder. In her eyes they did something bad enough to her to elicit such an extreme act and make her feel relieved enough to live out a relatively peaceful existence afterwards.

Lizzie was enough at ease with the act to be buried in the same plot with Abby and Andrew. However, to do otherwise, to be buried in her own separate plot, might have made her look guilty. If she was guilty, I wonder if she struggled with that.

Kat · Post by **Kat** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 12:12 am

Rest In Peace, Emma- the last of Andrew's line...

theebmonique · Post by **theebmonique** » Sun Jun 10, 2007 1:46 am

Yes...may Emma rest in peace as well.

Tracy...