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I need info about the kids next door to the Borden home who died sometime before the Borden murder. Names? When did this happen?

In my next book, (true crime fiction), Hannah the Ghost will travel along with the Alexander family to visit in New England. They will stop at the B&B and stay at the Borden house. Wouldn't it be nifty if they "solved" the murder with the help of the ghosts of those kids!

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Joe, Kat posted some marvelous info on the incident on this thread:

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Harry @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:37 am wrote:Joe, Kat posted some marvelous info on the incident on this thread:

viewtopic.php?t=2800
Thanks, Har. I should have done a search in the forums! I knew it was there.
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Is this going to be a book for children, Joe, or for adults? It does sound good! But I think we need to be careful of how much we post about our projects that are not published yet. Ideas cannot be copyrighted.

From what I know, there is very little information about those kids. It really happened, tho.
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augusta @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 7:38 am wrote:Is this going to be a book for children, Joe, or for adults? It does sound good! But I think we need to be careful of how much we post about our projects that are not published yet. Ideas cannot be copyrighted.

From what I know, there is very little information about those kids. It really happened, tho.
Thanks, Augusta. I'll be careful. It's a book for teens and adults.
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Well, you've made one sale!
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augusta @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 8:01 am wrote:Well, you've made one sale!
Thanks, Augusta! I'll catch your address when the book is released.
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Here Joe. I found the following site through a Google search - it is rather interesting; nothing new, but interesting:

http://www.iamhaunted.com/forum/posts/id_1157/
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twinsrwe @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:24 am wrote:Here Joe. I found the following site through a Google search - it is rather interesting; nothing new, but interesting:

http://www.iamhaunted.com/forum/posts/id_1157/
Great link! Thanks! Where in WI are you if you don't mind me asking?
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joe @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 10:58 am wrote: ... Great link! Thanks! Where in WI are you if you don't mind me asking?
Joe, you may also find this link interesting: http://lizzieandrewborden.com/Archive70 ... istern.htm

I'm sorry, Joe. For privacy reasons I'd rather not say, on a public forum, where I live in WI - I hope you understand. Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
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Joe, I want to thank you for the PM and for respecting my privacy; I really appreciate it. I hope the link I provided above is of help to you.

I would also be interested in buying this book. I think it would be very cool if the ghosts of the children solved the Borden murders.
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twinsrwe @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:24 pm wrote:Here Joe. I found the following site through a Google search - it is rather interesting; nothing new, but interesting:

http://www.iamhaunted.com/forum/posts/id_1157/
Well this has got me wondering about this person's source?
Could it be...Moi?
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Us?
I don't think there's much off this Forum on the topic. I've looked into this for 6 years.
I'd put a smilie here, but it's such a sad story!
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Pretty much all I learned about those Borden children that were drowned in the well was on this forum from kat and Shelley. 2 of the top 10 experts on this forum IMO. :smile: Consider another copy of your book sold Joe when it comes out. Sounds like great reading.
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:cheers:
Yay Joe!
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Kat @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 11:07 pm wrote:
twinsrwe @ Sun Oct 14, 2007 12:24 pm wrote:Here Joe. I found the following site through a Google search - it is rather interesting; nothing new, but interesting:

http://www.iamhaunted.com/forum/posts/id_1157/
Well this has got me wondering about this person's source?
Could it be...Moi?
and
Us?
I don't think there's much off this Forum on the topic. I've looked into this for 6 years.
I'd put a smilie here, but it's such a sad story!
I'm glad you brought up the missing source, Kat. Although I failed to state it in my post, I was also wondering what or whom his source was...

I wonder from whom he obtained more accurate information; he did not state his source.

I also wonder about this person's source for the image, View of the Vicinity of the Borden Murders 1892; there is something very familiar about this image - I swear I have seen it before or something very similar.

He gave us the short version to the story, again no source was given, and is there a longer story? If so, I would like to hear it, along with a source, of course.

BTW: Who or what is Moi? :scratch:
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Well, well, well... Out of curiosity, I clicked on GhostBreakers username, at the top of this site: http://www.iamhaunted.com/forum/posts/id_1157/
and found a slide show that I believe you will find more than familiar... Hmmm, wonder where he obtained this photos? Here's the link:

http://www.slide.com/r/wXNiml4N7z8OPSnS ... view=large

What do you think? Seem familiar?
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Familiar, indeed! Good catch, Twins! I think he is a scoundrel! Stolen photos and no credits. By the way, I posted to "...my forum name" this morning. Now you'll know why I' both Glen and Joe.
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joe @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 8:27 am wrote:Familiar, indeed! Good catch, Twins! I think he is a scoundrel! Stolen photos and no credits. By the way, I posted to "...my forum name" this morning. Now you'll know why I' both Glen and Joe.
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Thanks, Joe! :grin: I was pretty sure other forum members would also recognize those photos. I don't understand how some people can live with themselves!

BTW: I did view your post this morning regarding your name.... very cool! Thanks. :grin:
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That guy looks familiar somehow. Who is he?
He has the newest picture of the guest-room-with-a-chair-in-it. I was surprised to see the chair in there in August. It wasn't there in May, I don't think.

(BTW: Moi is me, when it comes to Laddy)
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Kat @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:28 am wrote:That guy looks familiar somehow. Who is he? ...
I believe his first name is Kim - no last name was indicated. The following link gives you the page that comes up when you click on his username, you will find some personal information on him there: http://www.iamhaunted.com/GhostBreakers

Then click on this link for a slide show of Ghostbreakers: http://www.slide.com/r/z_4tkIKg5z-Gltoa ... view=large

Kat @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:28 am wrote:... (BTW: Moi is me, when it comes to Laddy):smile:
Thanks, Kat. :smile:
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This other guy's gothic horror house looks a bit like member Keim's stuff.

Boy Keim's site has changed!!! Wow!
http://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index400.html
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Off Topic, but gee it is almost Halloween!

Keim's site:
http://www.haunteddimensions.raykeim.com/index.html
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WOW!

He's been busy! We should go over there and bug him to stop back by here! :grin:
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I edited myself about 3 posts back.
Sorry- it was like I was thinking aloud. And eating a peanut butter & jelly sandwhich- again!
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Kat @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:16 pm wrote:I edited myself about 3 posts back.
Sorry- it was like I was thinking aloud. And eating a peanut butter & jelly sandwhich- again!
Those PB&Js will do it every time, Kat!
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Kat @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 12:16 pm wrote:I edited myself about 3 posts back.
Sorry- it was like I was thinking aloud. And eating a peanut butter & jelly sandwhich- again!
Gee, and I thought I was the only one that did things like that. :grin:
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Here's a link to Ghostbusters who have (evidentally) observed paranormal activity at the B&B. I believe they will be investigating again in the near future.
http://www.ghostbreakers.com/Bios.html
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joe @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 3:37 pm wrote:Here's a link to Ghostbusters who have (evidentally) observed paranormal activity at the B&B. I believe they will be investigating again in the near future.
http://www.ghostbreakers.com/Bios.html
Thanks, Joe.

Kat @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 10:28 am wrote:That guy looks familiar somehow. Who is he?...
So, the answer to Kat's question is: His name is Kim Kowalczyk (aka Alex J.J. Payden)

Do you know of him, Kat?
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I don't know. His picture is familiar.

If we are going to start posting scary sites, maybe we should start a Halloween topic?
I did go off-topic here- sorry.
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Kat @ Mon Oct 15, 2007 9:12 pm wrote:I don't know. His picture is familiar.

If we are going to start posting scary sites, maybe we should start a Halloween topic?
I did go off-topic here- sorry.
If anyone went off topic, it was me, Kat. I was the one who posted the link by GhostBreakers regarding the murders of the children next door to the Borden property, which then led us to wonder about this guys source. I went off topic, when I stumbled upon his slide show Lizzie Borden Murders, posted it, and questioned his source. You felt this guy seemed familiar to you, which led us into obtaining more information about this guy.

I guess I don't see this as going off topic, really; maybe a bit off topic, but not to the extent of starting a Halloween topic; I really don't see our discussion as being about scary sites.
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It's on topic as far as I'm concerned.
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Thanks, Joe. I appreciate you saying that since you are the author of this thread. :grin:
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