I was reading MondoLizzie this morning about Alice Russell’s house at 18 Hillside Street; thanks Stefani!
Forgive me, but I thought that Alice Russell lived on Borden Street east of Third. (Len Rebello – Lizzie Past & Present)
Did she move sometime after the murders; if so, is the original house gone now?
What a shame to lose another piece of history. It would be nice to have the means to collect them one by one and place them all on the same block or vicinity; they may not be positioned correctly, but we would have the actual layout of the house(s)
I know that Alice’s house doesn’t hold much information regarding the actual murders, but it would be nice to save as many of houses that belonged to people involved in the events of August 4th
Alice Russell's House
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Yes, It would be nice to save number 18 Hillside Street. Not because Alice Russell lived there, but because it is a nice little building and a perfect example of Fall River middle class Architecture.
I would need to research it to identify its date, but I would place it around the late 19th century or very early 20th. It is a classic "double decker" with a loft level. Some would refer to it as a 2 1/2 decker. Very similar to the house I live in.
Alice Russell moved there some time around 1910 and lived there for around 20 years, until she was moved to an "old folks home".
It is very doubtful that number 18 and 28 Hillside Street will be relocated. I expect I will drive by one day and they will both be gone and replaced by black tar and decorated by toyotas, maximas and Cuvs.
Alice is not consequential..........at least to Fall River's historical namby-pambys; but neither is Lizzie or Maplecroft. So, the little building at 18 Hillside Street will probably be kissing the wrecking ball and sustain more than a migraine.
I would need to research it to identify its date, but I would place it around the late 19th century or very early 20th. It is a classic "double decker" with a loft level. Some would refer to it as a 2 1/2 decker. Very similar to the house I live in.
Alice Russell moved there some time around 1910 and lived there for around 20 years, until she was moved to an "old folks home".
It is very doubtful that number 18 and 28 Hillside Street will be relocated. I expect I will drive by one day and they will both be gone and replaced by black tar and decorated by toyotas, maximas and Cuvs.
Alice is not consequential..........at least to Fall River's historical namby-pambys; but neither is Lizzie or Maplecroft. So, the little building at 18 Hillside Street will probably be kissing the wrecking ball and sustain more than a migraine.
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Yes, Alice was the ultimate Spinster.
Alice Russell probably makes "Lizzie the spinster" look like "Lizzie the Animal House Party Girl;" at least from what we know about her.
A couple of years after the murders Alice moved in with her mother to a house on 3rd street. (this house no longer exists and was torn down to build the Borden East Housing)
Before this Alice lived on Borden Street and her mother was living somewhere on Maple Street across town.
The property Alice and her mother resided at on Third Street was just about a stone's throw away from the murder house on 2nd street.
Below is NUMBER 18 HILLSIDE STREET.
In 1909 Alice and her mother moved into Number 18 Hillside Street. Just on the realm of "The Hill" or "The Highlands". Just behind Alice's house was a rope factory, a large operation consisting of several brick buildings (whether it was in operation at the time would need to be researched). This factory was very uncommon to the neighborhood, that is to say, it stood in the middle of a middle class and/or lower upper class neighborhood and was the only operation of it's kind for many blocks.
Alice's mother died 4 years after they moved to Hillside Street and Good Old Alice lived there till just 2 years after Lizzie's death. (20 years)
Yes, Alice was the ultimate Spinster.
Alice Russell probably makes "Lizzie the spinster" look like "Lizzie the Animal House Party Girl;" at least from what we know about her.
A couple of years after the murders Alice moved in with her mother to a house on 3rd street. (this house no longer exists and was torn down to build the Borden East Housing)
Before this Alice lived on Borden Street and her mother was living somewhere on Maple Street across town.
The property Alice and her mother resided at on Third Street was just about a stone's throw away from the murder house on 2nd street.
Below is NUMBER 18 HILLSIDE STREET.
In 1909 Alice and her mother moved into Number 18 Hillside Street. Just on the realm of "The Hill" or "The Highlands". Just behind Alice's house was a rope factory, a large operation consisting of several brick buildings (whether it was in operation at the time would need to be researched). This factory was very uncommon to the neighborhood, that is to say, it stood in the middle of a middle class and/or lower upper class neighborhood and was the only operation of it's kind for many blocks.
Alice's mother died 4 years after they moved to Hillside Street and Good Old Alice lived there till just 2 years after Lizzie's death. (20 years)
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Yes, another point I forgot to mention which makes for interesting study.
There is all sort of talk about how Alice betrayed Lizzie and how they never spoke again, etc.
But in reality Alice eventually ended up living on Hillside Street, practically in Lizzie's backyard or just about 3 blocks away from Maplecroft.
They had no choice but to constantly run into each other living that close.
Opens up and begs an entirely new introspection.
There is all sort of talk about how Alice betrayed Lizzie and how they never spoke again, etc.
But in reality Alice eventually ended up living on Hillside Street, practically in Lizzie's backyard or just about 3 blocks away from Maplecroft.
They had no choice but to constantly run into each other living that close.
Opens up and begs an entirely new introspection.
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I can see the start of a story of theory for The Hatchet already. 
Lizzie is taking her dog for a walk down the street. Alice is walking up the street, they meet.
"Good mourning Lizzie" says Alice. "Hello Alice" says Lizzie "How are you today?" "By the way I am not called Lizzie, anymore, I am called Lizabeth now"
"But", says Alice, "you have always been known as Lizzie."
"It's Lizabeth" says lizzie, "If you persist in calling me Lizzie, somebody will do something, I don't know what, but somebody will do something."
Lizzie is taking her dog for a walk down the street. Alice is walking up the street, they meet.
"Good mourning Lizzie" says Alice. "Hello Alice" says Lizzie "How are you today?" "By the way I am not called Lizzie, anymore, I am called Lizabeth now"
"But", says Alice, "you have always been known as Lizzie."
"It's Lizabeth" says lizzie, "If you persist in calling me Lizzie, somebody will do something, I don't know what, but somebody will do something."
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YES FARGO, THAT'S REAL FUNNY......It is fun to imagine the possibilities if it was all true.
The move for Alice at the time could have been seen as a positive one; at least in Miss Russell's mind. At the very least we know Lizzie wanted "out".
Lizzie was right; that is, if she thought there was a more affluent place to live than the Second street address. The Second Street neighborhood was an old one in 1892. It was probably the place to live in the 1840's, but by the end of the 19th century it had becoming old.........and for Lizzie's flavor probably too "ethnic".
Officially, 92 Second Street is part of the Corky Row Neighborhood and probably was so around the time of the murders. It was a highly ethic (Irish) neighborhood............or at least it had been in transition around the time of the murders. Corky Row consisted of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, John, Wade, Morgan, Branch, and Hartwell Streets. (Including a couple of other streets)
Today Corky Row is one of the worst neighborhoods to live in within Fall River. It is also true that few irish are left.
Just this week some one was shot and killed just a couple of blocks from number 92. The ironic thing is that his name was Sullivan. The story can be found below......
http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x1994803 ... w-shooting
YES FARGO, THAT'S REAL FUNNY......It is fun to imagine the possibilities if it was all true.
The move for Alice at the time could have been seen as a positive one; at least in Miss Russell's mind. At the very least we know Lizzie wanted "out".
Lizzie was right; that is, if she thought there was a more affluent place to live than the Second street address. The Second Street neighborhood was an old one in 1892. It was probably the place to live in the 1840's, but by the end of the 19th century it had becoming old.........and for Lizzie's flavor probably too "ethnic".
Officially, 92 Second Street is part of the Corky Row Neighborhood and probably was so around the time of the murders. It was a highly ethic (Irish) neighborhood............or at least it had been in transition around the time of the murders. Corky Row consisted of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, John, Wade, Morgan, Branch, and Hartwell Streets. (Including a couple of other streets)
Today Corky Row is one of the worst neighborhoods to live in within Fall River. It is also true that few irish are left.
Just this week some one was shot and killed just a couple of blocks from number 92. The ironic thing is that his name was Sullivan. The story can be found below......
http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x1994803 ... w-shooting
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Yes, from what little research I could conduct from immediate records at hand, the Rope Mill behind the Russell place at 18 Hillside Street was in operation by 1896. It was run by the Small Brothers, Elisha and Reuben.
Inspecting another map in my possession, the mill did not exist in 1885 nor did Hillside Street.
Perhaps, I am giving this more attention than it is worth. There is probably no more than 15 people or so aware that such a mill existed in Fall River.
None-the-less, it was part of and a vital facet in Fall River history and one that is forgotten.
Just recently, in the last year, Charlton Hospital has demolished the last remnants of the old Mill. Now it is prepared to do the same with Alice Russell's old homestead.
Below is a photo of the old Small Rope Factory.
Inspecting another map in my possession, the mill did not exist in 1885 nor did Hillside Street.
Perhaps, I am giving this more attention than it is worth. There is probably no more than 15 people or so aware that such a mill existed in Fall River.
None-the-less, it was part of and a vital facet in Fall River history and one that is forgotten.
Just recently, in the last year, Charlton Hospital has demolished the last remnants of the old Mill. Now it is prepared to do the same with Alice Russell's old homestead.
Below is a photo of the old Small Rope Factory.
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Yes Nadzieja: There is no real one recent book devoted to the history of the Mill and Factory Industry in Fall River, though there are a couple that come close.
The first one that comes to mind is FALL RIVER AND ITS INDUSTRIES published in 1877 by Hillard Earl and cover Fall River's Textile Industry it's owners and which touches on Fall River History and genealogy up to that period in time. The original issue of this publication contains some marvelous steel engravings of some of Fall River's Mills.
http://books.google.com/books?id=dsgMAA ... A11-IA2,M1
Just recently there was a publication issued by Alfred J. Lima. Mr. Lima is a co-founder, along with Stefani Koorey, of the Fall River History Club. His book is called A RIVER AND ITS CITY. (2007) (spiral bound, paper covers) This book contains an extensive history of Mill life and specifically Mill Industry in Fall River. (If you look for this book be careful. There exists another book with the same name but about the city of New Orleans)
One more great publication, and one which may be of more interested to you, is a large volume called THE RUN OF THE MILL, (1978) subtitled: A PICtORIAL NARRATIVE OF THE EXPANSION, DOMINION, DECLINE AND ENDURING IMPACT OF THE NEW ENGLAND TEXTILE INDUSTRY, by Steve Dunwell.
This is a great book published in 1978 it touches on Mill life through out New England. There are countless illustrations and photos, many up to modern times, including much on Fall River, Lawrence, Pawtucket, Dover, Manchester, etc., giving a good example of Mill Life, the worker, buildings, cities and how really dreary and funereal mill life really was.
The Fall River Historical Society has reissued FALL RIVER AND ITS INDUSTRIES a couple of year ago. But someone should take that book and update it. That would do it.
Yes Nadzieja: There is no real one recent book devoted to the history of the Mill and Factory Industry in Fall River, though there are a couple that come close.
The first one that comes to mind is FALL RIVER AND ITS INDUSTRIES published in 1877 by Hillard Earl and cover Fall River's Textile Industry it's owners and which touches on Fall River History and genealogy up to that period in time. The original issue of this publication contains some marvelous steel engravings of some of Fall River's Mills.
http://books.google.com/books?id=dsgMAA ... A11-IA2,M1
Just recently there was a publication issued by Alfred J. Lima. Mr. Lima is a co-founder, along with Stefani Koorey, of the Fall River History Club. His book is called A RIVER AND ITS CITY. (2007) (spiral bound, paper covers) This book contains an extensive history of Mill life and specifically Mill Industry in Fall River. (If you look for this book be careful. There exists another book with the same name but about the city of New Orleans)
One more great publication, and one which may be of more interested to you, is a large volume called THE RUN OF THE MILL, (1978) subtitled: A PICtORIAL NARRATIVE OF THE EXPANSION, DOMINION, DECLINE AND ENDURING IMPACT OF THE NEW ENGLAND TEXTILE INDUSTRY, by Steve Dunwell.
This is a great book published in 1978 it touches on Mill life through out New England. There are countless illustrations and photos, many up to modern times, including much on Fall River, Lawrence, Pawtucket, Dover, Manchester, etc., giving a good example of Mill Life, the worker, buildings, cities and how really dreary and funereal mill life really was.
The Fall River Historical Society has reissued FALL RIVER AND ITS INDUSTRIES a couple of year ago. But someone should take that book and update it. That would do it.
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Can't get the photo above to work. When clicking on it nothing happens. So, here are my personal copies; just to give you an idea what they look like.
Why???????? doe-no, you got me?
If you click on this one, it should give you a nice image.........
Can't get the photo above to work. When clicking on it nothing happens. So, here are my personal copies; just to give you an idea what they look like.
Why???????? doe-no, you got me?
If you click on this one, it should give you a nice image.........
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Yes, once again this may be more information than most are interested in here on the forum, but still, some may find some value in it.
Most of this is Fall River History. But here is more for anyone who may be interested or bored by the election.
Below is an advert. for Small Brothers on Hillside Street just behind Alice Russell's home, around 1920. As you can see they made all sorts of things in the way of twine, rope, braid, lace etc.
Also posted, just for the fun of it, are the Small Brothers, the Pres and Vice Pres. private residences. One is on Rock Street and the other, a huge and impressive granite home on Highland Avenue.
Yes, once again this may be more information than most are interested in here on the forum, but still, some may find some value in it.
Most of this is Fall River History. But here is more for anyone who may be interested or bored by the election.
Below is an advert. for Small Brothers on Hillside Street just behind Alice Russell's home, around 1920. As you can see they made all sorts of things in the way of twine, rope, braid, lace etc.
Also posted, just for the fun of it, are the Small Brothers, the Pres and Vice Pres. private residences. One is on Rock Street and the other, a huge and impressive granite home on Highland Avenue.
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Yes: one final note:
The Small Factory was always known as a Rope factory but it appears that they were more of a twine or braid making factory.
Being a sailor of sorts, I always imagined these old Sea Captains dropping by with an entourage of sailors to pick up Rope. But in reality, it looks like the main product is twine or lace of sorts used in the the production of clothing and cloth products.
Did they actually produce Rope at the Small Factory?
I'm afraid that is a question I can't answer without further investigation. All rope in those days were made of plant material such as manila and jute. I imagine most of this material was imported. Most rope mills have what is called a "Rope Walk", which is a very long narrow building where the rope is made. Small Mills on Hillside and Prospect street had such a building which span almost 2 city blocks.
So, even though they did produce light weight cord for the textile industry they could have had a heavy rope division. Alas, Alice Russell is not around, so we can't visit Alice and ask what she knew about the Small Rope Mill.
The map below shows the Footprint of the old Small Rope Mill. It spans from right to left (pink and yellow) across the entire map. Above just right of center you can see Hillside Street. Just to the right of Hillside you can see a yellow building with the letter "D" on it. That was number 18 Hillside street, Alice Russell"s House.
Probably a very humble and quite women, little did she know that there would be so much interest and talk about her.
Yes: one final note:
The Small Factory was always known as a Rope factory but it appears that they were more of a twine or braid making factory.
Being a sailor of sorts, I always imagined these old Sea Captains dropping by with an entourage of sailors to pick up Rope. But in reality, it looks like the main product is twine or lace of sorts used in the the production of clothing and cloth products.
Did they actually produce Rope at the Small Factory?
I'm afraid that is a question I can't answer without further investigation. All rope in those days were made of plant material such as manila and jute. I imagine most of this material was imported. Most rope mills have what is called a "Rope Walk", which is a very long narrow building where the rope is made. Small Mills on Hillside and Prospect street had such a building which span almost 2 city blocks.
So, even though they did produce light weight cord for the textile industry they could have had a heavy rope division. Alas, Alice Russell is not around, so we can't visit Alice and ask what she knew about the Small Rope Mill.
The map below shows the Footprint of the old Small Rope Mill. It spans from right to left (pink and yellow) across the entire map. Above just right of center you can see Hillside Street. Just to the right of Hillside you can see a yellow building with the letter "D" on it. That was number 18 Hillside street, Alice Russell"s House.
Probably a very humble and quite women, little did she know that there would be so much interest and talk about her.
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Lizzie vs. Alice! Look, a hatchet fight! Where's my popcorn? 
I think a lot of people caught in a situation like Lizzie and Alice avoid each other out of anger, hurt feelings, or a sense of betrayal, but I think as the years pass by they both would like to get together again and forget the past but neither has the courage to make the first move. So they go through life "hating" each other. What a waste of energy.
It would be interesting to see what they would do and say if they were both invited to a talk show today and allowed to speak their peace, provided Dr. Phil can keep his opinion out of it for a few minutes. It would be interesting to see.
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I think a lot of people caught in a situation like Lizzie and Alice avoid each other out of anger, hurt feelings, or a sense of betrayal, but I think as the years pass by they both would like to get together again and forget the past but neither has the courage to make the first move. So they go through life "hating" each other. What a waste of energy.
It would be interesting to see what they would do and say if they were both invited to a talk show today and allowed to speak their peace, provided Dr. Phil can keep his opinion out of it for a few minutes. It would be interesting to see.
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I wouldn't think Alice Russell ever talked to Lizzie again. I think her mind was made up that Lizzie was guilty. I wonder, if their paths met, if Lizzie ever said "Hello" to Alice, knowing she wouldn't answer her, just to take a little jab at her.
I enjoyed hearing about the rope factory. Love those Victorian houses, mb.
I love seeing photos of the houses where the Lizzie characters lived! Thanks for all, mb.
I enjoyed hearing about the rope factory. Love those Victorian houses, mb.
I love seeing photos of the houses where the Lizzie characters lived! Thanks for all, mb.
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Thanks for the photos, and the advertisement. Ok, I'll plead ignorance==what are mill bandings? Is this something that was for shipping purposes?
I'm sure you've heard of Samuel Slater. His first mill being in Pawtucket RI. Well in Webster, MA he built a huge textile mill here which is still standing. He didn't want the town named after him, but after his friend Daniel Webster. He is buried here in Mt. Zion Cemetery. Today was blustery but warm Nov. day so we took a walk in that cemetery and stopped by his family plot. Back then his monument must have cost and amazing amount of money. I know there is only one of his houses left in Webster (there were 4, we could talk about poor town management for hours).
We also saw a plot for the Bates family & I think it might be the family that started Bates Shoe Company.
I'm thankful that I have pictures of these places and every few years go through town & take more, surprised every time at all the changes.
I'm sure you've heard of Samuel Slater. His first mill being in Pawtucket RI. Well in Webster, MA he built a huge textile mill here which is still standing. He didn't want the town named after him, but after his friend Daniel Webster. He is buried here in Mt. Zion Cemetery. Today was blustery but warm Nov. day so we took a walk in that cemetery and stopped by his family plot. Back then his monument must have cost and amazing amount of money. I know there is only one of his houses left in Webster (there were 4, we could talk about poor town management for hours).
We also saw a plot for the Bates family & I think it might be the family that started Bates Shoe Company.
I'm thankful that I have pictures of these places and every few years go through town & take more, surprised every time at all the changes.
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Yes Nadzieja:
Bands were used to tie all sorts of things like bundles of cloth, to add bulk to hems, inside and outside mens hats, etc.,........... but the term MILL BANDING probably refers to a band that was used to drive spindles. I have never seen one but it probably works like a fan belt. The were made out of cotton.
Nadzieja: The photos below were taken over a year ago when I escorted Stefani to Slater Mills.
Bands were used to tie all sorts of things like bundles of cloth, to add bulk to hems, inside and outside mens hats, etc.,........... but the term MILL BANDING probably refers to a band that was used to drive spindles. I have never seen one but it probably works like a fan belt. The were made out of cotton.
Nadzieja: The photos below were taken over a year ago when I escorted Stefani to Slater Mills.
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Yes NADZIEJA:
I RIVER AND ITS HISTORY will be difficult to find. It was printed in a small number and funded by the Massachusetts Environmental Trust (2007). The author is Alfred Lima, spiral bound and cheaply done. The cost to print it was probably nothing, since it was funded by a grant. (I imagine)
But, it is a great publication. Well done. Lots of information, illustrations, stuff on the mills and even ship building.
To bad it was not picked up by a major publisher. It should have been done in hardcover with a nice dust jacket and professionally bound.
None-the-less a great source and read on the history of fall river and for those interested in fall river history, worth having if you can find it.
It was sold at the local library and never made it into stores.
My hat's off on this one for Mr. Lima.
I will keep an eye out for it. If I see one for sale anywhere I'll let you know.
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Here is a quick update regarding the Alice Russell house.
Save Our Neighborhoods is meeting with SouthCoast Hospital group in early January to express our desire to see Charlton build up instead of out. The destruction of the neighborhoods is the prime focus of the meeting. It includes the Russell house because that house is on this block, slated for demolition.
Al Lima and I will be present at the meeting with SouthCoast's VP of Marketing and Public Affairs. I will let you all know how it goes.
If any of you would like to submit letters of support in this regard, please mail them to me at : PearTree Press, P.O. Box 9585, Fall River, MA 02720. You can address the recipient in the letters as SouthCoast Health System.
Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Save Our Neighborhoods is meeting with SouthCoast Hospital group in early January to express our desire to see Charlton build up instead of out. The destruction of the neighborhoods is the prime focus of the meeting. It includes the Russell house because that house is on this block, slated for demolition.
Al Lima and I will be present at the meeting with SouthCoast's VP of Marketing and Public Affairs. I will let you all know how it goes.
If any of you would like to submit letters of support in this regard, please mail them to me at : PearTree Press, P.O. Box 9585, Fall River, MA 02720. You can address the recipient in the letters as SouthCoast Health System.
Any help you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
Thanks!
Read Mondo Lizzie!
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