The Borden Case in Popular Culture

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AHA!
Another reference I can make to The Hatchet! :grin:

December 2005 ISSUE CONTENTS:

FEATURES
Edwin Porter's Fall River Tragedy: A Hermeneutic Entrance into the Borden Mystery by Annette Holba
New Lizzie Finds by Sherry Chapman
"Henry Trickey is Dead"
The Visit by Kat Koorey
We Have Always Lived in the Castle: A classic horror novel inspired by the Borden Murders by Loretta Ross
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Jay and I recently stayed at San Diego's fabulous Hotel Del Coronado, which has a famous ghost, that of a young woman who killed herself there in November of 1892.

Let's look at the alias under which she registered for a moment:

MISS LOTTIE A. BERNARD

Doesn't that seem just a bit close to:

MISS LIZZIE A. BORDEN?

MISS LOTTIE A. BERNARD
MISS LIZZIE A. BORDEN

BERNARD can be scrambled to spell BARDERN, and LOTTIE is even more similar in construction to LIZZIE.

Given that this sad case took place in the fall of 1892, I just wonder if Miss Kate Morgan, for that was her real name, was drawing upon a name which was appearing in the news that year from coast to coast!
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Bob,
That's an intriguing observation. Have seen that "Ghost Story" portrayed on multiple programs, including someone filmed spending the night in the room in question. As well as I remember, the participant got spooked and left.
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Great hotel, and just the place for a ghost. I'm hoping to spend some time in The Hotel Stanley next spring. We've had dessert there, but I'd like to stay for at least two nights and see what happens...
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Am shocked and sad to find absolutely nothing on Lizzie on TV today.
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Right! I asked a good friend to keep an eye out and report back in case I could see something but there wasn't anything. They should replay the TV movie Legend at least!
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Fellner, Birnbaum, Arcilla and Cimma Will Rock Lizzie Borden in September
By Adam Hetrick
05 Aug 2009


A new rock musical adaptation of Lizzie Borden, starring Jenny Fellner, will play a limited engagement at the Living Theatre beginning Sept. 10.

The latest incarnation of the infamous slaying has music by Steven Cheslik-DeMeyer and Alan Stevens Hewitt, additional music by Tim Maner, with lyrics by Cheslik-DeMeyer and Maner (who also penned the book).

Tim Maner directs the production that stars Jenny Fellner (Pal Joey, Mamma Mia!) as Lizzie Borden, Lisa Birnbaum (On Island) as Emma Borden, Marie-France Arcilla (Working) as Alice Russell and Carrie Cimma (Wedding Singer) as Bridget Sullivan.

The musical is based on the brutal 1892 murder of Andrew and Abby Borden, father and stepmother to 32-year-old Lizzie Borden, who was acquitted of murdering the two with a hatchet in their home.

According to press notes, "This dark, hard, campy, bloody, sexy, loud show offers a glimpse of these infamous events through the eyes of Lizzie, her older sister Emma, Lizzie’s close friend Alice, and the housemaid Bridget. Packed with kick-ass original songs, four fierce rocker divas, and two very bloody murders, our tale of repression and patricide sheds some light on why Lizzie Borden took that axe, and why we see her as a heroine for doing it."
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Bob Gutowski @ Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:04 pm wrote:Fellner, Birnbaum, Arcilla and Cimma Will Rock Lizzie Borden in September
According to press notes, "This dark, hard, campy, bloody, sexy, loud show offers a glimpse of these infamous events through the eyes of Lizzie, her older sister Emma, Lizzie’s close friend Alice, and the housemaid Bridget. Packed with kick-ass original songs, four fierce rocker divas, and two very bloody murders, our tale of repression and patricide sheds some light on why Lizzie Borden took that axe, and why we see her as a heroine for doing it."
I'm not 100% sure she did it, but if she did do it I would never think of her as a heroine!
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Penned what book? Have we seen that?
And where is the "Living Theatre" do you know? Thanks!
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I read a news article today that Ben Affleck and Matt Damon are distantly related through an ancestor named Knowlton. It made me wonder if the attorney in the Borden case was also somehow related to them all since it's within the same area. Not earth-shatteringly interesting, but it caught my attention. I'll try to post a link if anyone's interested:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091009/ap_ ... on_affleck
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I had read at some point somewhere that Knowlton had known Lizzie and had dandled her as a youngster on his knee. Can't say where that came from tho- but I had been aware for some time that they might be related? Is that thru his wife tho? Is she a Bassett-Almy or something? nbcatlover might know?
It's funny but I just came across another 'Knowlton" connection today! It was at the very end of a loong search-day today, and I knocked off for a break. Will get back to it later!
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For Christmas Jay commisioned a painting of the Newport "chair" snapshot frpom our pal, artist Mark Venaglia! It's stunning, abstract in color desgn - very zinc/blue, and it fits beautifully on my Lizzie shelf.

I was aghast to hear about Bill's passing. We had drifted out of touch after some years of letters and phone calls, not through any bad blood. I'm sure he's delighted to be reunited with his beloved wife, with whom I'd spoken on the phone a few times a while ago. Ay,me. He was a right fine gent.

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Here's a short-form update on the Knowlton clan:
Note (5): Isaac Case Knowlton was the probable author of The Human Race (1863), a book that critiqued Charles Darwin’s theories on human origins as requiring more proof, while remaining receptive to the findings of science. Hosea M. Knowlton, son of Rev. Isaac Case Knowlton, was perhaps the most prominent member of the Universalist church in New Bedford during the 19th C., and is best known today as the prosecutor in the Lizzie Borden trial.

The following biographical sketch, from Our County and its People, a Descriptive and Biographical Record of Bristol County, Massachusetts, published by The Boston History Co., Boston (1899), covers Hosea but includes information about his father Isaac as well [paragraphing is editorial]:

Knowlton, Hosea Morrill, was born in Durham, Me., May 20, 1847, and is the eldest son of Rev. Isaac Case Knowlton, D.D. and Mary S. Wellington, his wife. He is a direct descendant of Capt. William Knowlton, who sailed from London to Nova Scotia in 1623-4, but died en route, his widow and three sons, John, William and Thomas, continuing the voyage and finally settling in Ipswich, Mass. Mr. Knowlton’s ancestor is William, who served in King Philip’s war.

Rev. Isaac Case Knowlton was born in Liberty, Me., September 6, 1819, and died at Acton, Mass., March 23, 1894. He was a self-educated man and spent fifty years in the ministry, receiving the degree of D.D. from Tufts College in 1889. Besides numerous articles published in magazines, etc., he was the author of a History of Calais, Maine, 1873, and Through the Shadows, 1885. His wife, Mary Smith Wellington, was descended from Kenelm Winslow, brother of Governor Winslow, and also from Thomas Smith, pastor of the First church in Portland, Me.

Hosea M. Knowlton’s early life was an itinerant one. He attended the High Schools of Oldtown and Bangor, Me., and Keene, N.H., and Powers Institute at Bernardston, Mass., and graduated from Tufts College in 1867. He studied one year in the Harvard Law School and was admitted to the bar in 1870. He shortly afterward opened an office in New Bedford, where he has practiced with eminent success. In 1872 he was appointed register in bankruptcy for the First District in Massachusetts, which office he held until it was abolished in 1878. He was a member of the New Bedford School Committee from 1874 to 1877, city solicitor in 1877, representative to the Legislature in 1876-77, state senator in 1878-79, and district attorney for the Southern District of Massachusetts from 1879 to January 1, 1894, when he resigned to take the office of attorney general of the State, to which position he was elected in the fall of 1893; he has been five times re-elected, an eloquent testimonial of his fitness for the trust, and is still in office. Mr. Knowlton was one of the incorporators and a member of he board of directors of the Edison Electric Light Co. of New Bedford until its consolidation with the New Bedford Gas Co. He has been a director of the Citizens’ National Bank of New Bedford since 1884; a trustee of Tufts College since 1878 and is now vice-president of its board; a trustee of St. Luke’s Hospital, New Bedford, since 1896; and has been a member of the Universalist Society since 1872, its treasurer since 1875, and the superintendent of its Sunday school since 1874. Mr. Knowlton is one of the ablest members of the Massachusetts bar, and as a citizen and public officer is universally respected and esteemed.

On May 22, 1873, he married Miss Sylvia Bassett Almy, daughter of Benjamin and Sophia Almy. Mrs. Knowlton possesses those elements of character which distinguish her as a woman of marked intelligence and ability. She is a graduate of the New Bedford High School and Bridgewater Normal School, and taught school for a year before her marriage. She has been a member of the New Bedford School Committee for five years; has been a director of the New Bedford Choral Association six years and was its vice-president; has been vice-president of the Woman’s Club since its organization, secretary of the New Bedford Volunteer Aid Association, and is a visitor to St. Luke’s Hospital.

Mr. And Mrs. Knowlton have seven children: John Wellington, Born February 28, 1874; Abby Almy, born March 30 1876; Frank Warren, born August 16, 1878; Edward Allen, born April 16, 1883; Helen Sophia, born August 1, 1885; Sylvia Prescott, born May 29, 1890; and Benjamin Almy, born June 13, 1892, all living.
Source: http://www.danielharper.org/blog/?p=1183

You can check out the beautiful Almy home here:

http://www.almy.us/news/art9601.htm
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Did anyone see that Miss Lizzie was the answer to the Final Jeopardy question last night?!!!

The category was "Notorious," and I paraphrase: Although often described as a redhead, this accused killer described her hair as "light brown" on an 1890 passport application.

Two of the three contestants answered correctly, yet not the one who won the match, because the game was a runaway (she had more than double the respective scores of those who answered correctly).
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Yes, I was watching, and that was one I managed to get correct!
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That's real cool DJ
In memory of....Laddie Miller, Royal Nelson and Donald Stewart, Lizzie Borden's dogs. "Sleeping Awhile."
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What is it Har? I can't go there on this laptop.
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It was an article in a New Jersey paper on the girl who won, Here's part of it.

"SAYREVILLE — The secret is out. Amy Tyszkiewicz, a native of Sayreville, was on "Jeopardy!" Monday and Tuesday nights and she did very well, winning $14,500 in the Final Jeopardy! round Monday.

"It was a huge relief," Amy Tyszkiewicz said. "I hadn't been able to tell anyone how I did."

Tyszkiewicz, 29, scored high in the Multiple Diagnoses and Hodge Podge categories in the first two rounds on Monday and while she didn't know the evening's Final Jeopardy! answer — "Often described as a redhead, this accused killer called her hair light brown on her 1890 passport application. Who is Lizzie Borden" — she hedged her bet to win the match."

My brother was watching this show and also guessed Lizzie as well. I must have brain washed him over the years. :grin:
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Wow! Thanks Har!
I wonder if those folks who make up the "answers" read the Internet- as in: they may have trolled our discussion Forum, or a Blog, for that one? Or if they knew to go to Ancestry dot com and look at Passports? Hmmm...
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Film historian David Del Valle has written this look at the gestation of our beloved THE LEGEND OF LIZZIE BORDEN in this piece at the FILMS IN REVIEW site:


http://www.filmsinreview.com/2010/05/18 ... e-with-it/
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Thanks for sharing, Bob!

I still think Elisabeth Moss, "Peggy" on AMC's "Mad Men," would make a brilliant Lizzie.

Also would be great if it were a multipart project [for TV], at least in three parts, taking us through Lizzie at Maplecroft, thus delivering a much broader canvas on which to display The Legend.
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Btw, David is going to fix the "afternoon" which should be "morning," and add a caption caption to the Nance photo. All these years I had no idea that Curtis Harrington was signed to direct.
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How about getting him to remove the Sarah Palin comment as well? It ruins it for me.
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DJ, I agree - I checked out her photos, and Elisabeth Moss would make a striking Lizzie! Harry, I can only offer corrections and clarifications. :)

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The composer of the opera Lizzie Borden has died.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/arts/ ... eeson.html
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US NEWS & WORLD REPORT has put out a special issue about famous mysteries and crimes, and Lizzie rates a mention. They use very clear prints of the crime scene pictures (Abby's is the one looking at her from the shoes up), and the Lizzie photo is the fuller faced studio shot taken sometime after the trial. The account sort of pastes the murders together, time-wise, with Bridget having been "in her room."
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I forgot to mention that when Jay and I were out west recently we were driving around Estes Park, Colorado and saw that they have an actual Fall River, a Fall River Road, and a nearby beauty parlor called "Lizzie's."
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For the Record, La Liz made the board on "Jeopardy," yet again, last night.

The category was "Double Z," and the question something along the lines of:

This follows "Tin" and precedes "Borden."
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I recently bought, for .99, a short story on Kindle. It's called "Forty Whacks" and someone named Sarah Joubert wrote it. Badly. Though, for less than a buck, it might be interesting for you folks to see how badly someone can butcher an idea. Ms. Joubert owes me at least $1.25.
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Bob Gutowski wrote:We all know that Emeril often mentions his home town, Fall River, and occasionally Miss Borden. But, this weekend, Alton Brown, on "Good Eats," did a show on cutting up and frying your own chicken and he both produced a hatchet and invoked our Lizzie.

I knew Emeril was from the north, but I didn't know he was from Fall River! How funny!
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SPOILER if you haven't seen it yet, but the last AMERICAN HORROR STORY featured an axe murder that certainly seemed inspired by the Borden carnage. A sexually abused young woman killed the stepmother who wouldn't help her, creeping up on her with an axe as the older woman dusted a shelf. As the axe was about to fall, the stepmother whirled around to receive the first blow to the side of the head, as Abby did (though I have NO idea if Abby whirled). The father was not killed on a sofa, but that the Borden crimes acted as a model for this seems pretty clear.
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I don't see the Elizabeth Moss thing at all. I still say Melanie Lynsky is perfect.
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Angel, yes-- she's good. She could do it, too. However, Moss is still my #1 pick. Do you watch "Mad Men"?

Problem is, our choices are getting older as we speak! The only prob I have with "Liz" Montgomery is that she was a tad too old for the role. The part ought to be played by someone between 30 and 35.

Whenever and by whomever, I just hope the new version is well-cast, well-written, well-directed, and well-produced.

I'm beginning to think we should set our sights on LIndsay Lohan :) She apparently is possessed of a great deal of inner turmoil, as well as a "challenging" mother/daughter relationship, which she could tap into for her portrayal. Currently, she is playing another famous "Liz"-- Miss Taylor.

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Yes, Bob, that screenplay sounds Bordenesque.
I think these myriad Ghost Hunter/Story/Adventures-striped programs are intriguing a newer, younger audience about the
case, which can only further the cause of a new biopic!
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Lindsey Lohan was pathetic as Liz Taylor.
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