did hiram harringtion think lizzie did it

[snokkums]

Quoting from the book, "Lizzie Borden, the legend, the Truth, the final Chapter", Hiram Harrington said to a reporter, "Money,unquestionably money. If Mr. Borden died, he would have left $500,000 and I will say that furnishes the only motive and a sufficent one."

Now Lizzie was under the impression that there was talk of a new will being drawn (andy had talked to Hiram about this). Think that maybe she went ahead a killed her father and stepfather and Hiram believed this?

Also, somewhere in the same book I read that when the police were questioning her she had some not very nice things to say about him.

Think maybe there was some bad blood, you know Uncle Hiram telling her that he thought she did it?

[doug65oh]

This may look familiar, snokkums. It may indeed answer your own question. Not to seem contentious, but what are your own thoughts, interpreting the information contained in either source?

You might keep in mind also that a witness outdoors estimated that Hiram's claimed "long interview" with Lizzie Borden lasted something between 3 and 5 minutes or very near that. That's a small tidbit of course, but does it indicate to you anyhting about the state of relations between Lizzie and Uncle Hiram?


Fall River Daily Herald — Aug. 6, 1892

CLOSE IN MONEY MATTERS

Hiram Harrington, 40 Fourth street, is married to Laurana, Mr. Borden's only sister. A reporter who interviewed him gathered the following story: 'My wife, being an only sister, was very fond of Mr. Borden and always subservient to his will, and by her intimacy with his affairs I have become acquainted with a good deal of the family history during years past. Mr. Borden was an exceedingly hard man concerning money matters, determined and stubborn, and when once he got an idea nothing could change him. He was too hard for me.

'When his father died some years ago he offered my wife the old homestead on Ferry street for a certain sum of money. My wife preferred to take the money, and after the agreements were all signed, to show how close he was, he wanted my wife to pay an additional $3 for water tax upon the homestead.'

"What do you think was the motive for the crime?" asked the reporter.

'Money, unquestionably money,' replied Mr. Harrington. 'If Mr. Borden died, he would have left something over $500,000, and all I will say is that, in my opinion, that furnishes the only motive, and a sufficient one, for the double murder. I have heard so much now that I would not be surprised at the arrest any time of the person to whom in my opinion suspicion strongly points, although right down in my heart I could not say I believed the party guilty.

'Last evening I had a long interview with Lizzie Borden, who has refused to see anyone else. I questioned her very carefully as to her story of the crime. She was very composed, showed no signs of any emotion or were there any traces of grief upon her countenance. That did not surprise me, as she is not naturally emotional. I asked her what she knew of her father's death, and, after telling of the unimportant events of the early morning, she said her father came home about 10:30. She was in the kitchen at the time, she said, but went into the sitting room when her father arrived. She was very solicitous concerning him, and assisted him to remove his coat and put on his dressing-gown; asked concernedly how he felt, as he had been weak from a cholera morbus attack the day before. She told me she helped him to get a comfortable reclining position on the lounge, and asked him if he did not wish the blinds closed to keep out the sun, so he could have a nice nap. She pressed him to allow her to place an afghan over him, but he said he did not need it. Then she asked him tenderly several times if he was perfectly comfortable, if there was anything she could do for him, and upon receiving assurance to the negative she withdrew. All these things showed a solicitude and a thoughtfulness that I never had heard was a part of her nature or custom before. She described these little acts of courtesy minutely.

'I then questioned her very carefully as to the time she left the house, and she told me positively that it was about 10:45. She said she saw her father on the lounge as she passed out. On leaving the house she says she went directly to the barn to obtain some lead. She informed me that it was her intention to go to Marion on a vacation, and she wanted the lead in the barn loft to make some sinkers. She was a very enthusiastic angler. I went over the ground several times, and she repeated the same story. She told me it was hard to place the exact time she was in the barn, as she was cutting the lead into sizeable sinkers, but thought she was absent some 20 minutes. Then she thought again, and said it might have been 30 minutes. Then she entered the house and went to the sitting room, as she says, she was anxious concerning her father's health. "I discovered him dead," she said, "and cried for Bridget, who was upstairs in her room."

'Did you go and look for your stepmother?' I asked. 'Who found her?' But she did not reply. I pressed her for some idea of the motive and the author of the act, and after she had thought a moment, she said, calmly: "A year ago last spring our house was broken into while father and mother were at Swansey, and a large amount of money stolen, together with diamonds. You never heard of it because father did not want it mentioned, so as to give the detectives a chance to recover the property. That may have some connection with the murder. Then I have seen strange men around the house. A few months ago I was coming through the back yard, and, as I approached the side door, I saw a man there examining the door and premises. I did not mention it to anyone. The other day I saw the same man hanging about the house, evidently watching us. I became frightened and told my parents about it. I also wrote to my sister at Fairhaven about it." Miss Borden then gave it as her opinion that the strange man had a direct connection with the murder, but she could not see why the house was not robbed, and did not know of anyone who would desire revenge upon her father.'

Mr. Harrington was asked if he knew whether or not there were dissentions in the Borden family. 'Yes, there were, although it has been always kept very quiet. For nearly ten years there have been constant disputes between the daughters and their father and stepmother. Mr. Borden gave her some bank stock and the girls thought they ought to be treated as evenly as the mother. I guess Mr. Borden did try to do it, for he deeded to the daughters, Emma L. and Lizzie A., the homestead on Ferry street, an estate of 120 rods of land with a house and barn, all valued at $3000. This was in 1887.

'The trouble about money matters did not diminish, nor the acerbity of the family ruptures lessen, and Mr. Borden gave each girl ten shares in the Crystal Spring Bleachery company, which he paid $100 a share for. They sold them soon after for less than $40 per share. He also gave them some bank stock at various times, allowing them, of course, the entire income from them. In addition to this he gave them a weekly stipend, amounting to $200 a year.

'In spite of all this the dispute about their not being allowed enough went on with equal bitterness. Lizzie did most of the demonstrative contention, as Emma is very quiet and unassuming, and would feel very deeply any disparaging or angry word from her father. Lizzie, on the contrary, was haughty and domineering with the stubborn will of her father and bound to contest for her rights. There were many animated interviews between father and daughter on this point. Lizzie is of a repellant disposition, and after an unsuccessful passage with her father would become sulky and refuse to speak to him for days at a time. She moved in the best society in Fall River, was a member of the Congregational church, and is a brilliant conversationalist. She thought she ought to entertain as others did, and felt that with her father's wealth she was expected to hold her end up with others of her set. Her father's constant refusal to allow her to entertain lavishly angered her. I have heard many bitter things she has said of her father, and know she was deeply resentful of her father's maintained stand in this matter.

'This house on Ferry street was an old one, and was in constant need of repairs. There were two tenants paying $16.50 and $14 a month, but with taxes and repairs there was very little income from the property. It was a great deal of trouble for the girls to keep the house in repair, and a month or two ago they got disgusted and deeded the house back to their father.'

[Jeff]

Shelley and I were talking about this at Hiram and Lurana's grave.
Hiram knew from the get go Lizzie did it. Of course when someone says something bad about Lizzie you are all done in her book. LOL.

I think Hiram was right about money. Lizzie did not want it all to go to Abby and be left with nothing. Of course she had to go. Andrew had to be done in because he would have turned her in.

Of course, Hiram was Lizzie's uncle and knew her as a young girl growing up and knew what her personality was and her temperment.

At the grave Shelley said she wanted to pick Hiram's brain about what he knew LOL

[Kat]

Thank you for typing all that, DougOh!

[snokkums]

I think that Hiram thought she did it. After all, he did say that the money would be a good motive, and andy did have alot of it.

And Andrew was talking to Hiram about a new will. Maybe Lizzie overheard this conversation and took matters into her own hands.

[doug65oh]

Thank you for typing all that, DougOh!

Sa`right!

Hiram, for me at least, is a tough nut to crack. Do we know anything much more about him than what's given in LBP&P from the 1870 census?

The sense I get is that he and Andrew were very alike in ways - not in habits per se` but common experiences. Both for instance knew the value of a dollar and what it meant to work for one's money. (Hiram may have actually known this a bit better than Andrew, courtesy the blacksmith's forge.)

I'd say they were in all likelihood quite opinionated - Hiram to the point where if he was asked something, he'd tell just what he thought and not give a tenth of an average-sized tinkers damn where the chips fell, so to speak. Andrew may well have shared this quality, but Hiram was a bit more free with it if the newspapers are to be credited. Both too were "hard" men in their own ways. I don't really get the sense that the two liked oneanother all that much, but rather had resigned themselves years before to "the in-law's fate."

I think Hiram was in a unique position which allowed him to know many things about the goings-on at No. 92. I can't quite believe though that he had a "long interview" with Lizzie. Seeking it would fit my perception of his character, but Lizzie granting it (or standing for it) is another matter entirely.

[Airmid]

The sense I get is that he and Andrew were very alike in ways - not in habits per se` but common experiences. Both for instance knew the value of a dollar and what it meant to work for one's money. (Hiram may have actually known this a bit better than Andrew, courtesy the blacksmith's forge.)

I'd say they were in all likelihood quite opinionated - Hiram to the point where if he was asked something, he'd tell just what he thought and not give a tenth of an average-sized tinkers damn where the chips fell, so to speak. Andrew may well have shared this quality, but Hiram was a bit more free with it if the newspapers are to be credited. Both too were "hard" men in their own ways. I don't really get the sense that the two liked oneanother all that much, but rather had resigned themselves years before to "the in-law's fate."

Yes, I agree, they were alike in some ways. Here's Hiram talking about his relationship with Andrew (Inquest p. 134):

Q You and he did not speak? You and he were unfriendly? You and he were not on good terms?
A We never had no words, or anything of that kind. SOme years ago I thought he was hard, and I cut his acquaintance; that is, he came to my house, and I would leave the room; and he very soon saw I cut his acquaintance; and he did mine.

(snokkums, I don't think it is possible that Andrew talked about his will to Hiram when their relationship was like this.)

In an interview with a reporter, Mrs. Brigham says about Andrew (FR Herald, Sourcebook p. 137):
Mr. Borden was a man who spoke his mind very freely to anyone, and if they attempted to reply he would shut his teeth and walk away.

I realize the last bit is not from a primary source, but the interview I quoted from sounds quite authentic; besides, things like this are in other sources too, but I never have seen in put in words this clearly.
Anyway, both quotes paint a picture of stubborn men, who aren't much inclined to talk out their difference with other people, but would rather choose to ignore them.

Airmid.

[snokkums]

But didn't Hiram stay over night at the Borden house right before the murders? Or is my information wrong?

[snokkums]

Maybe that's the reason why when the inquest was going on Lizzie had some harsh words about Hiram Harrington. She was real close with her father and maybe she didn't like what he said about her father.
But that doesn't explain why she called on him right after the murders happened.

[Airmid]

But didn't Hiram stay over night at the Borden house right before the murders? Or is my information wrong?

That was John V. Morse, Lizzie's other uncle.

[Airmid]

But that doesn't explain why she called on him right after the murders happened.

Lizzie isn't reported to have left the house until she was called to testify at the Inquest.
The interview with Hiram Harrington, that was published in the local papers on August 6th, says that Hiram Harrington visited the Borden house in the evening of the 4th. The Borden house was under close surveillance at that time. I have seen no reports that Hiram actually visited the house, but there seems to have been a newspaper article in whch a reporter remarked that Hiram got an awful load of information for a 3 minute visit. However, nobody in the forum has been able to find this newspaper article recently.

Airmid.

[Harry]

I, too, could find no newspaper article mentioning Hiram Harrington actually entering the house. Since the article is dated the 6th (Saturday) and Hiram says the interview was "last evening" I assume it took place on Friday the 5th. The following appeared in the NY Times on August 6th covering events of August 5th:

"... From all indications it would seem as if the funeral services to-morrow would have an official flavor. Miss Lizzie has kept her room all day and has been inaccessible to callers, no matter who or what they were. ..."

If Hiram actually did enter the house I don't think he got very far. He may have asked to see Lizzie and she more than likely would have told him in so many words to "get lost". Of course that's just speculation on my part.

It sounds to me like he was just saying what he knew of the Bordens from his and Laurana's personal knowledge.

[Kat]

Since you are quoting from the Brown book, snokkums, maybe you mean Morse visited Hiram Harrington, as Brown claims he did, I think on the murder night?

[snokkums]

Since you are quoting from the Brown book, snokkums, maybe you mean Morse visited Hiram Harrington, as Brown claims he did, I think on the murder night?

I guess I got the wrong uncle, it was Morse who stayed over night at the Borden house. But I think Hiram thought she did it, and money is a very good motive.

[RayS]

But that doesn't explain why she called on him right after the murders happened.

Lizzie isn't reported to have left the house until she was called to testify at the Inquest.
The interview with Hiram Harrington, that was published in the local papers on August 6th, says that Hiram Harrington visited the Borden house in the evening of the 4th. The Borden house was under close surveillance at that time. I have seen no reports that Hiram actually visited the house, but there seems to have been a newspaper article in whch a reporter remarked that Hiram got an awful load of information for a 3 minute visit. However, nobody in the forum has been able to find this newspaper article recently.

Airmid.

A three minute visit sounds like he arrived, was checked by the police, asked to talk to Lizzie, and was told she was indisposed.
Not much time for any conversation. So maybe somebody made it up?

[Kat]

My sources implied that Lizzie stayed in her room Friday and Emma had to answer the door and greet any relatives. Then after Emma got exhausted from that, Alice took over door duty, tho there was a policeman assigned them because of crowds.
I don't think Lizzie saw anyone in her room other than those very close to her- Alice said they did not leave her alone by herself.
Saturday Lizzie finally went out- to the graveyard.

[doug65oh]

It was Friday, wasn't it, when ... lessee, yes it was Friday evening, when Dr. Bowen began administering the morphine sulphate. (Page 327 of the trial transcription.) It would of course depend on what "bed time" that night was, but I don't imagine that much aided Lizzie in her ability to receive callers.

[snokkums]

What is Morphine Sulphate. I know Morphine is a pain killer, so why would the doctor give Lizzie that at bed time? Where was she hurting at, other than mentally from knowing that she killed her parents.

[Kat]

If you know how to do a search on the posts here, you can find a lot of discussion on the drugs Dr. Bowen prescribed.
Sorry- I'm not good at a search like that.

In the testimony, it was implied through questioning that the drugs were to allay *nervous excitement*. I think it was like treating Lizzie for shock.

Who knows- maybe she was hurt in the attack and only Dr. Bowen and Emma knew of it? They do say that people who wield bladed weapons get cut. Maybe Dr. Bowen smuggled out bloody bandages from a wound to Lizzie?

[doug65oh]

Morphine sulphate is..."a proprietary preparation containing morphine (a controlled narcotic drug, which is the principal alkaloid of opium). Also known as MST, Morphine Sulphate is normally taken twice a day and is designed as a slow release variant of Morphine." http://www.rsdalert.co.uk/drugs/Morphine_Sulphate.htm

Now, having established what it is, it's important to remember that morphine has other properties as well - the promotion of relaxation and sleep, for instance. Sleeping pills such as we know them today didn't exist in 1892. Aspirin was even unknown, and wouldn't show up on the market til very near the end of the century, about 1899. (AcetylSalicylic acid - what we know today as aspirin - was patented by Bayer in March of that year, aspirin was apparently a brand name, oddly enough.)

At any rate, to get to the heart of your question, nobody but Dr. Bowen really knew why he prescribed the morphine, at least as nearly as I can make out from the testimony. As you've noted there was no underlying evidence of physical pain on Lizzie's part, and she had been given bromocaffeine at some point before the morphine was given -presumably for a headache I would think. (If you've ever taken an aspirin with a cup of coffee or caffeinated soda and noticed that the pain disappears pretty quick, that's because of the caffeine's stimulating effect.)

The only good (and rational) reason I can think of for giving Lizzie morphine at bedtime would be as a way to promote sleep - particularly because it was given in such a small amount.

[shakiboo]

I think if I'd have had a day like Lizzie had had, whether I did the deed or not, I would need something to help me get to sleep, especially staying in that house. You would think that Emma would be in need of something also, but I don't remember it ever being mentioned about her taking anything. If they thought Lizzies actions, or lack of actions was suspicious, how could they not notice Emma's????

[Kat]

It's at least inferred that the morphine was given to *allay nervous excitement*- technically we don't know why Dr. Bowen changed from bromide to morphine. It's supposedly for the same reason he gave the former, tho.

Trial
327
Dr. Bowen
Q. What did you prescribe?
A. I did not prescribe.

Q. What did you give?
A. I gave a preparation called bromo caffeine.

Q. For what purpose?
A. For quieting nervous excitement and headache.

Q. To bring on quiet. to allay nervous excitement?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you give any directions as to how frequently that medicine should be given?
A. I left a second dose to be repeated in about an hour.

Q. Did you subsequently give other medicine of that kind that day?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. In what way?
A. In the same doses.

Q. Did you carry some bromo caffeine over there?
A. I carried some in a bottle over there to be taken.

Q. That was Thursday night. Did you have occasion to prescribe for her on account of this medical distress and nervous excitement after that?
A. Yes, sir.

MR. MOODY. I should like to know how far you are going on that?

Page 327

MR. ADAMS. I am going to the end.

Q. I understand you to say on Friday you directed that the bromo caffeine be given?
A. No, sir, Thursday.

Q. Not on Friday. You prescribed a second dose and took over from your office a bottle of it with directions how to be taken. I wish to know if, after that, you had occasion to prescribe for her on account of this mental distress and nervous excitement?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. When was it?
A. Friday.

Q. The next day?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Was the prescription or medicine the same as the other?
A. It was different.

Q. What was it?
A. Sulphate of morphine.

Q. Well, what is commonly called morphine?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. You directed morphine to be taken?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. In what doses?
A. One-eighth of a grain.

Q. When?
A. Friday night, at bed-time.

Q. The next day you changed that?
A. I did not change the medicine, but doubled the dose.

Q. That was on Saturday?
A. On Saturday.

Q. Did you continue the dose on Sunday?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. Did you continue it Monday?
A. Yes, sir.

Q. And on Tuesday?
A. Yes, sir.

[Haulover]

i've always assumed that a morphine derivative was what he had on hand. it IS a pain killer but it's also sedative. i don't think it's what a doctor would use today to calm someone down.

[doug65oh]

To get back to the subject at hand (for a minute anyway) I think that while it’s possible dear old Uncle Hiram knew many things about the goings-on – or at the very least certain idiosyncrasies and habits of those individuals domiciled at No. 92 – it seems a reasonable presumption that the “long interview” he claimed to have had with Lizzie the evening of the 5th never happened. If Lizzie was anything she seems to have been by most accounts her father’s daughter in her outlook – suggesting at least that if Papa had thought Hiram a rotten old buzzard, Lizzie might well have found him the same for in essence the same reasons.

As Harry has noted, the greatest possibility is that (if) Hiram inquired, seeking an interview, he would have been told (in a most diplomatic fashion) to make like a boy scout and take a hike.

If these quotations are actually words spoken by Hiram, he seems almost to be enjoying every word he speaks - undoubtedly gilding the lily rather heavily with details, so to say. He has something to say, and knows very well that if he says it just right, it could well ruin Lizzie's entire day.

[Haulover]

frankly, i've never understood the worth of this so-called interview hiram had with lizzie. he says it was an inside job and then he talks about the family rather arrogantly, but he gives us no info -- unless i'm missing something. all i get from harrington is that he didn't like them. also, i've gotten the idea that he anticipates a scandal about the family. did he enjoy beating around the bush with a dedication against straightforwardness? if he had anything substantive to offer, he did not.

[snokkums]

This may look familiar, snokkums. It may indeed answer your own question. Not to seem contentious, but what are your own thoughts, interpreting the information contained in either source?

You might keep in mind also that a witness outdoors estimated that Hiram's claimed "long interview" with Lizzie Borden lasted something between 3 and 5 minutes or very near that. That's a small tidbit of course, but does it indicate to you anyhting about the state of relations between Lizzie and Uncle Hiram?


Fall River Daily Herald — Aug. 6, 1892

CLOSE IN MONEY MATTERS

Hiram Harrington, 40 Fourth street, is married to Laurana, Mr. Borden's only sister. A reporter who interviewed him gathered the following story: 'My wife, being an only sister, was very fond of Mr. Borden and always subservient to his will, and by her intimacy with his affairs I have become acquainted with a good deal of the family history during years past. Mr. Borden was an exceedingly hard man concerning money matters, determined and stubborn, and when once he got an idea nothing could change him. He was too hard for me.

'When his father died some years ago he offered my wife the old homestead on Ferry street for a certain sum of money. My wife preferred to take the money, and after the agreements were all signed, to show how close he was, he wanted my wife to pay an additional $3 for water tax upon the homestead.'

"What do you think was the motive for the crime?" asked the reporter.

'Money, unquestionably money,' replied Mr. Harrington. 'If Mr. Borden died, he would have left something over $500,000, and all I will say is that, in my opinion, that furnishes the only motive, and a sufficient one, for the double murder. I have heard so much now that I would not be surprised at the arrest any time of the person to whom in my opinion suspicion strongly points, although right down in my heart I could not say I believed the party guilty.

'Last evening I had a long interview with Lizzie Borden, who has refused to see anyone else. I questioned her very carefully as to her story of the crime. She was very composed, showed no signs of any emotion or were there any traces of grief upon her countenance. That did not surprise me, as she is not naturally emotional. I asked her what she knew of her father's death, and, after telling of the unimportant events of the early morning, she said her father came home about 10:30. She was in the kitchen at the time, she said, but went into the sitting room when her father arrived. She was very solicitous concerning him, and assisted him to remove his coat and put on his dressing-gown; asked concernedly how he felt, as he had been weak from a cholera morbus attack the day before. She told me she helped him to get a comfortable reclining position on the lounge, and asked him if he did not wish the blinds closed to keep out the sun, so he could have a nice nap. She pressed him to allow her to place an afghan over him, but he said he did not need it. Then she asked him tenderly several times if he was perfectly comfortable, if there was anything she could do for him, and upon receiving assurance to the negative she withdrew. All these things showed a solicitude and a thoughtfulness that I never had heard was a part of her nature or custom before. She described these little acts of courtesy minutely.

'I then questioned her very carefully as to the time she left the house, and she told me positively that it was about 10:45. She said she saw her father on the lounge as she passed out. On leaving the house she says she went directly to the barn to obtain some lead. She informed me that it was her intention to go to Marion on a vacation, and she wanted the lead in the barn loft to make some sinkers. She was a very enthusiastic angler. I went over the ground several times, and she repeated the same story. She told me it was hard to place the exact time she was in the barn, as she was cutting the lead into sizeable sinkers, but thought she was absent some 20 minutes. Then she thought again, and said it might have been 30 minutes. Then she entered the house and went to the sitting room, as she says, she was anxious concerning her father's health. "I discovered him dead," she said, "and cried for Bridget, who was upstairs in her room."

'Did you go and look for your stepmother?' I asked. 'Who found her?' But she did not reply. I pressed her for some idea of the motive and the author of the act, and after she had thought a moment, she said, calmly: "A year ago last spring our house was broken into while father and mother were at Swansey, and a large amount of money stolen, together with diamonds. You never heard of it because father did not want it mentioned, so as to give the detectives a chance to recover the property. That may have some connection with the murder. Then I have seen strange men around the house. A few months ago I was coming through the back yard, and, as I approached the side door, I saw a man there examining the door and premises. I did not mention it to anyone. The other day I saw the same man hanging about the house, evidently watching us. I became frightened and told my parents about it. I also wrote to my sister at Fairhaven about it." Miss Borden then gave it as her opinion that the strange man had a direct connection with the murder, but she could not see why the house was not robbed, and did not know of anyone who would desire revenge upon her father.'

Mr. Harrington was asked if he knew whether or not there were dissentions in the Borden family. 'Yes, there were, although it has been always kept very quiet. For nearly ten years there have been constant disputes between the daughters and their father and stepmother. Mr. Borden gave her some bank stock and the girls thought they ought to be treated as evenly as the mother. I guess Mr. Borden did try to do it, for he deeded to the daughters, Emma L. and Lizzie A., the homestead on Ferry street, an estate of 120 rods of land with a house and barn, all valued at $3000. This was in 1887.

'The trouble about money matters did not diminish, nor the acerbity of the family ruptures lessen, and Mr. Borden gave each girl ten shares in the Crystal Spring Bleachery company, which he paid $100 a share for. They sold them soon after for less than $40 per share. He also gave them some bank stock at various times, allowing them, of course, the entire income from them. In addition to this he gave them a weekly stipend, amounting to $200 a year.

'In spite of all this the dispute about their not being allowed enough went on with equal bitterness. Lizzie did most of the demonstrative contention, as Emma is very quiet and unassuming, and would feel very deeply any disparaging or angry word from her father. Lizzie, on the contrary, was haughty and domineering with the stubborn will of her father and bound to contest for her rights. There were many animated interviews between father and daughter on this point. Lizzie is of a repellant disposition, and after an unsuccessful passage with her father would become sulky and refuse to speak to him for days at a time. She moved in the best society in Fall River, was a member of the Congregational church, and is a brilliant conversationalist. She thought she ought to entertain as others did, and felt that with her father's wealth she was expected to hold her end up with others of her set. Her father's constant refusal to allow her to entertain lavishly angered her. I have heard many bitter things she has said of her father, and know she was deeply resentful of her father's maintained stand in this matter.

'This house on Ferry street was an old one, and was in constant need of repairs. There were two tenants paying $16.50 and $14 a month, but with taxes and repairs there was very little income from the property. It was a great deal of trouble for the girls to keep the house in repair, and a month or two ago they got disgusted and deeded the house back to their father.'

I think he thought she did it. For him though, I don't think that there was any love lost between him and Andrew. I honestly think he wasn't too fond of the whole family.