Did You Ever Have One Of Those Days?

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Did You Ever Have One Of Those Days?

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I certainly did on Friday June 1st. To try to put it in a nutshell, I was in the ER for kidney stones on Thanksgiving of last year and am still currently getting bills for that little visit that total in the thousands. I've been having issues with my health insurance covering portions of these bills that should all be covered once my deductible is met. So, in the interim, I don't want to use my health insurance until they are done with their investigation and the whole mess gets sorted out.

Well on Friday the 1st I had another kidney stone attack that started at work! I knew I had one stone left in me from the CAT scans that they did last time and from the location and intensity of the pain I knew what it was right off the bat! So, no health insurance meant no emergency room! I somehow drove home, took some Vicodin, which did nothing and curled up in a fetal ball, moaning and groaning and crying and praying for the pain to stop. The pain was so intense I vomited quite a few times, thankfully I had nothing in my system besides a cup of tea and water. I actually recalled during this that Shelley had mentioned that whenever she has an attack that she gets sick from it too.

Anyhoo, long story short, between my boss, my fiance, my best friend and another friend, they were able to get ahold of Valium for me. It did the trick, the pain went down to a bearable level and I was able to go to sleep. Saturday morning the pain was gone and I passed the stone! Outside of slightly tender kidneys and a stomach that isn't doing too well with solid food still, I'm fine. My boss started crying when I came to work today, she said she was so worried about me that she was hysterical on Friday. Oy vey, did you ever have one of those days? :shock:
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That's pretty bad Susan! They say it's equivalent to having a baby, don't they?
I would guess that being scared didn't make things any easier. Not being able to use your insurance really stinks- big time!
Also, worrying about others worrying about you is pretty hard as well.

Well, to answer your question- yea, I've had days like that. But no kidney stone, thank goddess!

So sorry my dear!
I hope you get to feeling better soonest!
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Oh, Susan! That sounds terrible! Won't that be a day to remember, though?! Happily, it sounds like there was a decent resolution -- so at least that part is a blessing.

Hope you feel much better! and that your insurance woes work themselves out soon.
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Susan, next time you have a kidney stone attack get into the shower and let the stream of HOT water hit that area (kidney) and see if it kills the pain. It worked for me twice. The pain was instantly gone and the stone dropped into my bladder.

I know what you went through, Susan. I feel for you. :cry:

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Susan, I feel your pain(s). Both from the kidney stone and the hospital bills.

I, too, have had the agony of the stones and ended up getting a lithotripsy procedure to shatter the stone. At the time I had no health insurance and it made a sizable dent in my life's savings. The pain was unbearable so I had to have it done no matter what the cost. That was about 6 years ago and so far so good with only an occasional pain or two.

Hopefully all will be well with you now. Got my fingers crossed for you.
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Thanks, gang, I am doing better, but, will feel much, much better once my insurance snafu is straightened out. My stomach is wonky I think because of the Vicodin and not having eaten anything all day Friday, not even breakfast. A fast that wasn't my choosing.

I'm so sorry, Harry, after seeing all the bills come in that have to be submitted I can't believe the cost of medical care! One pill at the ER cost $95.00 dollars, I can get a whole prescription for the same pill for like $7.00 dollars at the Rite-Aid!

Well, my kidneys are clean for now, hopefully I take after my mother, she had kidney stones once in her life and that was it, no more. Knock on wood, Steve, if it happens again I'll try it.


If you feel like sharing, do tell, Kat. It would be interesting to hear someone else's bad day. Despite us all being so different its one of the things that makes us all human and therefor so much alike. My fiance had one of those days a couple of weeks ago, but, I'll have to ask him first if its okay to share, it was a doozy!
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Sorry Susan- I was thinking of my parents. It's not anything I would post here, nor anything anyone would want to read. It's Ok.
I'm glad you are getting better!

BTW: If you ever find out what your stones were made from- you could stay away from that- like CocaCola!
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Susan:

My wife passed away two years ago, after a five month hospital stay. Doctor and hospital bills totaled over eight hundred thousand dollars. I let my primary and secondary insurance companies battle it out over the next year and only had to pay about two thousand dollars

My advice is to give them time to resolve their payments. Don't be in any hurry to settle.

I hope you're feeling much better today.
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Susan:

My wife passed away two years ago, after a five month hospital stay. Doctor and hospital bills totaled over eight hundred thousand dollars. I let my primary and secondary insurance companies battle it out over the next year and only had to pay about two thousand dollars

My advice is to give them time to resolve their payments. Don't be in any hurry to settle.

I hope you're feeling much better today.
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I'm so very sorry to hear that, William.
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Good grief- we have enough members for a Romancing the Stones Club. I too am a sufferer of many years and many lithotripsies. Most stones are either calcium or oxalate or a combo of both. The BIG thing is to drink drink drink. I carry water bottles around all the time and force myself to drink a minimum of 2 liters a day. Things to avoid or eat in strict moderation:- dark green vegetables, chocolate, cola drinks, nuts, berries of all kinds. Contrary to popular belief, eating moderate dairyfoods is not the cause of calcium stones. An X-ray twice a year will show if there are any stones building up. There are meds to help dissolve stones in severe cases, but diet and lithotripsy to break them up are the best solutions. Yes, lithotripsy is terribly expensive, even with insurance.
Things that help? Lots of water, and citrus drinks- lemonade, Sprite, 7-up. My deepest sympathy to you- I know your pain! As long as the little buggers don't move- all is well.
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Oh- another thing- never take pain meds on an empty stomach- I learned that the HARD way. Vomiting is the very common accompaniment. AN IV drip of Fenegan (anti-nausea) is great, along with some real heavy-duty pain meds. Unfortunatley you have to go to an ER to get this therapy. My urologist has become my best pal. Just Google kidney stones and read about what some people do to help. I wouldn't wish 'em on my worst enemy. :lol:
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William, my heart goes out to you, I'm very sorry for your loss. Thank you, I am sitting tight at the moment and not rushing to pay any of the bills that should be covered by insurance. The maddening thing is the final notices and threats of collection agencies and having to call and explain the whole situation, usually to someone different each time what is going on. Urg! :mad:

Thank you, Shelley. I've cut waaaaaaay back on my diet cola consumption since the last attack and am trying to drink more water on the whole. Hmmm, I would guess that spinach is considered a dark green vegetable? I love spinach salad and do eat it quite a bit, guess I need to cut back on that.


Well, I got the okay from my fiance to tell his story. When this initially happened I was going to post about it and ask everyone's advice as this was a situation neither of us had ever dealt with before. Anyway, my fiance is a landlord for a living, he has a few rental properties. His tenants were moving out of one of the rentals and called to have him come over for the final inspection, I went with him. The place was immaculate, everything was clean and fresh and outside of a few scuffs on the paint that needed touch-up it was rent ready.

The tenants handed over the keys, got their deposit and left. When we went to lock up, my honey realized that the key they gave him for the door was the wrong one and he couldn't lock the place up. Now this rental has a patio at the front door and is fenced in by a tall wooden fence. When the gate is closed you wouldn't even know where the entrance to the place is. So, my fiance decided that he would have a locksmith come over the next day and change out the lock. We left and didn't think any more on the matter.

The next day when my fiance showed up with the locksmith, the locksmith opened the door and got a funny look on his face and said, "Did you know that there is blood all over the place in here?" My fiance went in and almost threw up, there was indeed blood all over the place, some of it still wet. My fiance called the police and then called me.

I can easily tell you that there was less blood involved in the Borden murders than what was spread out in the rental. There were splashes, and spatters, and drops, and ropes, and pools, and smears, bloody handprints everywhere on the walls, on the bathroom and kitchen sinks, on the counters, and overall that rancid, coppery stink. And no, there was no body, just gouts of blood everywhere. Outside of hiring a specialty cleaning service that would be mega expensive, we figured we would be cleaning that mess up ourselves. Thats what I wanted to ask the Forum, how do you clean up a bloodbath? What sort of cleaners do you use? Do you use hot or cold water? Etc, etc, etc. I figured with all our study of the Borden case, someone would have an idea what to do. Emma wiping up the sitting room had nothing on me after cleaning up that mess.

So, after about a week, between the police and the neighbors there, we were able to piece together what had happened. Some woman, who was high on drugs and drunk, got into a fight with her boyfriend. Somehow or another, on her own, she managed to put her head through a window and cut her neck, probably a vein judging by the mess we had. She left her house and went to a friend's house in the neighborhood and he called the cops. When she found out that this guy had called the cops, she left and went to the rental property, we can only assume that she knew the past tenants in some way. Since the door was unlocked, she let herself in and proceeded to bleed all over the place in the rental while trying to staunch the flow of blood and clean herself up. She finally left and went to the hospital and got the medical help she needed. Now, did you ever have a day like that? :shock:
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Oh my- what a story. My eyes were popping as I was reading- I thought we were going to have a murder! :shock:

Always use COLD water when cleaning up blood. Shampoo right out of the bottle is great for removing stains. It is very concentrated. You do not say what types of surfaces you need to clean- I have a whole chapter on blood stains in my conservation book, so just tell us.

What a nightmare!
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Thanks again, Shelley, yes, it was a nightmare, the rental is clean now. I had wanted to post for help when this first happened, but, my fiance didn't want the story blabbed all around until we found out what we were dealing with, we initially though it was a murder scene. See, I knew that someone here would know what to do. Too bad I wasn't allowed to ask, it really would have helped!

We used hot water to clean it, we didn't know, we were thinking sanitization. Oh, and we used Tuff Stuff to reactivate the dried blood so it could be mopped or wiped. Thankfully the floor in the rental is tile and vinyl, counters tiled. Then we mopped and wiped with bleach, especially the grout in the tiles, that needed scrubbing. Funny, when we did this I was thinking of Luminol testing and thinking that the whole place would glow in the dark because of the bleach! Then we finally did a final cleaning with a lemon scented household cleaner to get rid of all the harsh chemical cleaner smells. Oh, and there were drapes that had to be washed, but, we have a special laundry cleaner specifically for bloodstains.
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Post by Angel »

Always remember too that one should use universal precautons- that is, rubber gloves, plastic bags, etc. because of the HIV risk. If she was into drugs that could have been a possibility. If you have something like that it's better to get a professional to clean it up.
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An excellent warning, Angel. Even dentists nowdays use rubber gloves as who knows these days who may be HIV positive, or have another bodily-fluid borne disease?
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Wow, Susan! That is quite the story!! Have you had contact with this
woman who's in the hospital?

My 12 year old dog had a tumor that hemorrhaged two years ago in our bedroom. There was blood everywhere...in pools where you could tell she rested, then in long trails where she would pace. When we discovered it, it was terrifying. Your brain is just not used to seeing
pools of blood everywhere, and it truly is a shock to the system. Our
sweet dog survived the night, thank God, while we were able to keep pressure on the leg and stop the bleeding. I was so grateful for that
extra time with her, because she died the next morning during surgury.

I called one of those emergency services. I was amazed how quickly they accepted my dog story. Maybe they tested an area when I wasn't looking to make sure it wasn't human? Anyhow, because I had carpet,
it was difficult to get out. I ended up getting new carpets.

I'm am also very sorry about your stones and insurance problems. I don't know anything about stones, but understand they're wicked. And my husband's a pharmacist so I hear plenty of horror stories related to insurance hassles. Hang in there!!!
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I agree, Ellen, I wish that we could have left it to the professionals. But, we were very, very cautious; I did a bit of research online before we tackled the mess. We borrowed some respirators from my brother, bought some goggles to wear, Playtex rubber gloves, and some weird, fiber material jump suits that are somehow waterproofed. Oh, and rubber fishing boots.

No, Cheryl, no contact with this woman, my fiance has her name and address from the police if he wanted to press charges. I know it must sound like the area is an absolute hellhole, but, its really a very nice neighborhood. Its just when you live in a beach community, it attracts all kinds.

Was the emergency service very expensive that you called? My honey had called two different ones and he said that their price quotes were quite high and since his money is tight at the moment, he opted to clean it himself. I dealt with one of these services in the past back on the east coast and was not impressed with their work, it wasn't very thorough at all. I personally had to finish the job myself.

I'm very sorry about your poor pet, oh my, that must have been just horrific to deal with.
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Boy that really sounds sickening, Susan!
No wonder your stomach's been upset.

I think everyone should give up cola.
My girlfriend's stones were all from cola and she quit that and is doing really rather well.
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The service was about $200 to clean the carpets. I had to dry clean my comforter & bed skirt which was about $50. Any blood that got on the walls and baseboards I cleaned myself. So I was out about $250.00.
They did the best they could, but some of the blood had gone down
through to the padding, and they couldn't get all the stains out.

Sounds like your situation would have been a lot more $$, especially if this woman was walking all over. I would assume they would have had to bring in a team to work all the rooms. Kudos to you & your husband for doing it yourself!
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Well, the good news after all that mess was that my honey has like 24 applicants since he put up the "For Rent" sign. All thats left to do is make like Bridget and give the windows a good cleaning, inside and out, and its good to go. :grin:
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